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With self defense, you can legally meet force with equal force. Martin had skittles and his fist. Minding his own business, walking home. Zimmerman stalked him- with a gun for an extended period of time.

If Martin beat him, it was Martin acting in self defense of this nut job who thinks he's a cop. Zimmerman had no reason to draw his weapon- Martin didn't have one.

Put yourself in Martin's shoes for a minute and think about it. Wouldn't you be a bit fearful too?
 
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CSign said:
With self defense, you can legally meet force with equal force. Martin had skittles and his fist. Minding his own business, walking home. Zimmerman stalked him- with a gun for an extended period of time.

If Trayvon beat him, it was Trayvon acting in self defense of this nut job who thinks he's a cop. Zimmerman had no reason to draw his weapon- Martin didn't have one.

Put yourself in Martin's shoes for a minute and think about it. Wouldn't you be a bit fearful too?
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We don't know the full circumstances of how exactly it all went down prior to the shooting. I will wait for the investigators to do their jobs. One thing that doesn't help, and this is rather suspicious, is for the media to call Zimmerman a "white hispanic."
 
kokonut said:
We don't know the full circumstances of how exactly it all went down prior to the shooting. I will wait for the investigators to do their jobs. One thing that doesn't help, and this is rather suspicious, is for the media to call Zimmerman a "white hispanic."
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I agree Kokonut, that's why I said, "if he beat him"... What we do know for sure, is that Zimmerman followed/stalked him for a period of time, with a gun, after he had been directed to stop. We also know that Martin is dead because of Zimmerman's actions.

That isn't disputed...
 
CSign said:
I agree Kokonut, that's why I said, "if he beat him"... What we do know for sure, is that Zimmerman followed/stalked him for a period of time, with a gun, after he had been directed to stop. We also know that Martin is dead because of Zimmerman's actions.

That isn't disputed...
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The death is not the dispute here, but rather how it all exactly went down leading up to it. The 911 tape does not exactly tell you everything. See transcript. But it is interesting that Zimmerman appears to be inside the gated community the whole time near the clubhouse, which is well inside the gated community (1111 Retreat View Circle - use Google Earth). Oh well, it'll be interesting to see what investigators can establish and make out of this when it happened on a rainy night after 7 PM.

George Zimmerman's 911 call transcribed - National unsolved cases | Examiner.com
 
CSign said:
I agree Kokonut, that's why I said, "if he beat him"... What we do know for sure, is that Zimmerman followed/stalked him for a period of time, with a gun, after he had been directed to stop. We also know that Martin is dead because of Zimmerman's actions.

That isn't disputed...
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Well first, part of the duty of neighborhood watch is to keep an eye on strangers. So stalking doesn't really apply.

As for "with a gun" all that we know based on the facts is that he was carrying a gun. It's unclear how or when the gun was introduced into the situation.
 
TXgolfer said:
Well first, part of the duty of neighborhood watch is to keep an eye on strangers. So stalking doesn't really apply.

As for "with a gun" all that we know based on the facts is that he was carrying a gun. It's unclear how or when the gun was introduced into the situation.
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Right. It's totally irrelevant to establish "what if" scenarios when the crux of it is to establish the circumstances, time, place and other factors. This is what investigators are trying to do. Getting the facts down first and not make assumptions.
 
CSign said:
With self defense, you can legally meet force with equal force. Martin had skittles and his fist. Minding his own business, walking home. Zimmerman stalked him- with a gun for an extended period of time.

If Martin beat him, it was Martin acting in self defense of this nut job who thinks he's a cop. Zimmerman had no reason to draw his weapon- Martin didn't have one.

Put yourself in Martin's shoes for a minute and think about it. Wouldn't you be a bit fearful too?
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How did you know that Zimmerman drew his gun when he confronted Trayvon?
 
CrazyPaul said:
How did you know that Zimmerman drew his gun when he confronted Trayvon?
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Right, how would one know this? Even if true, wouldn't any normal person draw his weapon if he was having a sidewalk sandwich? :D :lol:
 
CrazyPaul said:
Hopefully Spike and others involved will be arrested anytime soon. They are more dangerous than Zimmerman and Trayvon.
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He should be sued for endangering people who are not even a part of this. The elderly people who live at that address Spike tweeted will now be in fear of their lives from possible violence or retribution against them or their house.
 
Last night I read one article that said there is a new eyewitness, a 13 yrs old kid who saw the same thing as the first witness, "John" who saw TM on top of GZ while beating him up and GZ screaming for help. Sorry that I can't find that article now. My browser deletes history, cookies ,etc automatically after I close it. However I will keep looking for it.
 
kokonut said:
We don't know the full circumstances of how exactly it all went down prior to the shooting. I will wait for the investigators to do their jobs. One thing that doesn't help, and this is rather suspicious, is for the media to call Zimmerman a "white hispanic."
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I'm not concerned with whatever media says because they're free to say whatever. I mainly look at police reports, John's statement to police, 911 transcripts, witnesses' testimonies, homicide detective's statement, Zimmerman's arrest record, and some.

CSign said:
I agree Kokonut, that's why I said, "if he beat him"... What we do know for sure, is that Zimmerman followed/stalked him for a period of time, with a gun, after he had been directed to stop. We also know that Martin is dead because of Zimmerman's actions.

That isn't disputed...
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I'm glad to see somebody here has a common sense.... something that Zimmerman did not have.

According to transcript posted from koko's link above - based on how Zimmerman was describing him to 911 dispatcher, it definitely sounds dangerous because Trayvon got "something" in his hands and his hands were also in his waistbands. and he was staring and then coming to check him out and then ran away.

Now.... a big question - why in the world would Zimmerman pursue him and put himself in danger when it was very clear that Trayvon appeared to be dangerous?

I know! It's because Zimmerman had a gun with him and perhaps that gave him an ego boost and felt he's a de facto police officer. That's why the lead investigator of that shooting case recommended that he be charged with manslaughter. This tragedy was completely avoidable and preventable. I'm sorry but a "license to carry is not a license to use it". btw - that line was from pamphlet that I received from Florida state police because I'm licensed to carry in Florida.
 
CrazyPaul said:
Last night I read one article that said there is a new eyewitness, a 13 yrs old kid who saw the same thing as the first witness, "John" who saw TM on top of GZ while beating him up and GZ screaming for help. Sorry that I can't find that article now. My browser deletes history, cookies ,etc automatically after I close it. However I will keep looking for it.
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Interesting, supposing that there are indeed two witnesses who saw the same thing. Yet, I'm more interested on what investigators have to say based on the facts they've gathered. It's best to stay neutral than to play pretend investigator, and be the judge, jury and executioner. :/
 
kokonut said:
Interesting, supposing that there are indeed two witnesses who saw the same thing. Yet, I'm more interested on what investigators have to say based on the facts they've gathered. It's best to stay neutral than to play pretend investigator, and be the judge, jury and executioner. :/
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The point of this is that GZ was telling the truth.
 
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