Florida Neighborhood Watch

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VacationGuy234 said:
I don't know what it is like down there, but up here in Mass if you punch a cop you cannot legally carry a gun. I'd have to question it.
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Good point! He should not have a licensed gun if he has a criminal history.
 
Jiro said:
I'll ask you this - who is armed? who has to take a high road to avoid conflict at all cost? who has a higher responsibility in here?
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Perhaps he did until his head started hitting the pavement. Sadly, we don't know how the end went down
 
Reba said:
Armed people can't ask questions?
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for what reason? to ask for direction?

if their intention may lead to confrontation, Stand Your Ground would not be applicable in this case and it would bring a messy legal headache for you since gun is involved.
 
TXgolfer said:
Perhaps he did until his head started hitting the pavement. Sadly, we don't know how the end went down
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we do know how the end went down. Trayvon died.

completely preventable though.
 
TXgolfer said:
No law against approaching someone.... Pretty sure there are crime watch signs around like most neighborhoods.
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again.... it's illegal to invite yourself to danger as an armed citizen.

You are deeply confused. There's a difference between approaching someone and confronting someone. He certainly wasn't approaching Trayvon to say "Hello there! Welcome to neighborhood! I'm George. And you are....?"

His intention was to confront him because he looked suspicious and was up to something no good. He stated to police that he said - What are you doing around here?

and it's also illegal to harass, stalk, and provoke someone.
 
TXgolfer said:
Perhaps he did until his head started hitting the pavement. Sadly, we don't know how the end went down
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Too bad there aren't any security video tapes, then we'd have our answer on how it all went down prior to the shooting.
 
TXgolfer said:
It gets worse...

Trayvon Martin case: He was suspended three times and caught with 'burglary tool' | Mail Online
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"One unidentified witness, who did not see the shooting, said he saw a younger man on top of an older man and the older man was screaming for help.
Police say the cries that witnesses reported, which Trayvon's family say were coming from the teen, are actually likely from Zimmerman.
Zimmerman, who had a permit to carry a handgun, shot Trayvon once in the chest at very close range, killing him."

It looks like a self-defense to me.
 
Jiro said:
again.... it's illegal to invite yourself to danger as an armed citizen.

You are deeply confused. There's a difference between approaching someone and confronting someone. He certainly wasn't approaching Trayvon to say "Hello there! Welcome to neighborhood! I'm George. And you are....?"

His intention was to confront him because he looked suspicious and was up to something no good. He stated to police that he said - What are you doing around here?

and it's also illegal to harass, stalk, and provoke someone.
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According to Zimmerman he was walking away. Again, I will trust the professionals to do their job. :)
 
Perhaps it was quite preventable for both sides. We'll never know.
 
TXgolfer said:
According to Zimmerman he was walking away. Again, I will trust the professionals to do their job. :)
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Again.... completely preventable if he did not get out and he should let the professionals to do their job.
 
Jiro said:
for what reason? to ask for direction?
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Whatever questions you were referring to in your post.

if their intention may lead to confrontation, Stand Your Ground would not be applicable in this case and it would bring a messy legal headache for you since gun is involved.
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Observing, questioning, confronting, following, and pursuing are each different levels of escalation.
 
Reba said:
Whatever questions you were referring to in your post.
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ah then if it's to question them "what are you doing around here?" or "who are you?", then they should know very well that they should not be armed as per Neighborhood Watch's cardinal rules and strong advisement from police.

Reba said:
Observing, questioning, confronting, following, and pursuing are each different levels of escalation.
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exactly. that's why Zimmerman exhibited a very poor judgment.
 
Jiro said:
ah then if it's to question them "what are you doing around here?" or "who are you?", then they should know very well that they should not be armed as per Neighborhood Watch's cardinal rules and strong advisement from police.
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Yet, not illegal
 
TXgolfer said:
Yet, not illegal
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As a Neighborhood Watchdog... when approaching a suspicious person, do you think it is possible that it can end badly?
 
Jiro said:
As a Neighborhood Watchdog... when approaching a suspicious person, do you think it is possible that it can end badly?
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According to Zimmerman he was walking away. *shrug*
 
Jiro said:
ah then if it's to question them "what are you doing around here?" or "who are you?", then they should know very well that they should not be armed as per Neighborhood Watch's cardinal rules and strong advisement from police.


exactly. that's why Zimmerman exhibited a very poor judgment.
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I agree with you that it's a cop's job to ask questions since he/she is an authority. Off the point, management at work told us that if one of us see a stranger walking in the workplace without a visible ID, ask him/her for an ID. I disagree with it because it may not be safe since he/she might carry a weapon when I confront that person and because it's a supervisor's job to ask, not mine.

In other words, asking a stranger like that is the stupid thing to do cuz it could be dangerous.
 
TXgolfer said:
According to Zimmerman he was walking away. *shrug*
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I wasn't referring to Zimmerman. I was asking a general question about Neighborhood Watchdog.

So... when approaching a suspicious person, do you think it is possible that it can end badly?
 
CrazyPaul said:
I agree with you that it's a cop's job to ask questions since he/she is an authority. Off the point, management at work told us that if one of us see a stranger walking in the workplace without a visible ID, ask him/her for an ID. I disagree with it because it may not be safe since he/she might carry a weapon when I confront that person and because it's a supervisor's job to ask, not mine.
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precisely correct. It is a serious criminal and civil liability if something happened. that's what a security guard is for.

CrazyPaul said:
In other words, asking a stranger like that is the stupid thing to do cuz it could be dangerous.
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exactly why it's part of Neighborhood Watch's rules.

http://www.mysuncoast.com/news/loca...h-volunteers-must/bZQM5cZSJEenAdMs-he_Mw.cspx
SARASOTA COUNTY - Neighborhood watch volunteers in subdivisions throughout Sarasota County are required to follow strict rules set by the Sheriff's Office, ensuring that incidents like the one in Sanford does not happen here.

"If those volunteers cannot abide by the rules of the patrol program, we politely ask them not to participate," said Deputy Cathy Duff.

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Like every volunteer, Hanson is not allowed to carry a weapon and is not permitted to get out of her vehicle if she does see suspicious activity. "If they hear or see something that they feel is suspicious, they have a phone we provide to them and they can contact us and let us take care of it," said Deputy Duff.

Volunteers are also asked to attend training sessions sponsored by the sheriff's office.
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