EVIDENCE of being deaf with Hearing Aid device

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Sweetmind said:
...........you couldnt find anything to say about my post ......
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Your post.... Plenty of misconceptions...

My reply.... which you missed....
.... Still waiting for you to reply.... :popcorn:
 
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sr171soars said:
That is one thing I'm thrilled about as age no longer is an issue for me. At 80 (if I make it to that point), my hearing will still be as good as it is now with my CI this day!!!
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Thats something I always get a kick out of - knowing that when I am older *I* will have the better hearing compared to my peers!!!!
 
neecy said:
Thats something I always get a kick out of - knowing that when I am older *I* will have the better hearing compared to my peers!!!!
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I think I'll get one as well. Just to be prepared :)
 
LinuxGold said:
Let me explain something first, then apply to the Cochlear Implants vs Deaf world.

I've seen this happen at NTID/RIT, Gallaudet and other deaf universities where hearing impaired (oralist) student grew up with parent who were strict on oral thing (little or no sign language) are already adaptable to the working world. They often became interested into ASL and support deaf culture, because they, too, are deaf and understood what it is like to be deaf. Same way with cochlear implants, they knew they are different and I'm sure with some sign language they will be MORE than likely to participate with deaf culture, learn ASL in later time and they will be ALREADY ready for working world where communication is required. Deaf culture, I'm sorry to say, isn't a priority to corporate world, but IS a priority to their social life. With Cochlear Implant, the primary priority is accomplished while they have the option for secondary priority, which is social life.

I'm totally against "Deaf purist", ASL and things like that to be used as a tool to raise children. Education is the key thing, we should do whatever it is necessary to push Education though to our children and to CHALLENGE them.
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:gpost: I would include speech and HA as well if HA is equally beneficial to some. If not then it is CI.
 
LinuxGold said:
My parents are flutent in PSE, and that is how I came to be. I learned ASL when I got to NTID. It is a WONDERFUL "Social Life" language, but NOT a Educational tool.
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I agree. that's what my POV is. I have said ASL is great for communications between deaf people. That's why there were PSE between hearing and deaf.

but in reality, I need more than that.
 
Cheri said:
I'm sorry I have to disagree with you, LinuxGold on one part of how Cochlear Implant should be the primary priority, Also due to the fact that CIs do not work for everyone and We also have so many different individuals living out in the real world who don't hold the same amount of hearing, sight, language, and etc. does it keep them from living in the real world? Of course not. They have a choice, they either want to be part of the world or be in their own little world which that would be "Deaf Culture" or "Deaf Community" With me I think what's most important in order to live out in the world is speech not hearing. I don't think you have to be hearing to survived in the world and social with other different individuals out there, Deaf people with spoken language can still get jobs if they cannot hear.

Now in my opinion Cochlear Implant is a choice, wants to be able to hear sounds, and only if nothing else really works in auditory technology.
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Yeah, it is a choice for adults but for kids, it is up to parents to improve the quality of life and lessen the strain on their learning curves.

You are right about speech which should be included in primary priority. but having CI or in other case, a better equipped HA can help lessen strain on speechreading in hearing workplaces.

in my case, having a CI is helpful because I would be able to avoid forgetting about running water in kitchen sink so won't run up water bills (but that is not the issue for me because water is free here for me but does raise the rental rate though)
 
LuciaDisturbed said:
My thinking here is that parents who consider CI's for their children, they do not take CI's lightly. If they are good parents they would spend hours/days/weeks/months/or more discussing this with each others, with doctors, and other people. They do not go "oh yeah, let's implant our kid, fix him/her". It isn't that simple. They consider all the pros and the cons of a CI. They consider whether the child can hear enough with her/his residual hearing, if not, then they consider CI. I do not see what's wrong with that?

Also, if they consider doing TC along with CI, sign language and speech and all the tools, that would be good.

That's my opinion here.
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Yeah, I spent 2 years researching on CI for myself and If I had a deaf child then I'll spend another 2 years researching on which path to take for him/her! It won't be a snap decision, "ok you gonna get a ci" no way.. I have to factor in everything around me!
 
Boult said:
Yeah, I spent 2 years researching on CI for myself and If I had a deaf child then I'll spend another 2 years researching on which path to take for him/her! It won't be a snap decision, "ok you gonna get a ci" no way.. I have to factor in everything around me!
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Exactly!
 
It s proven.

http://www.deafchildren.bc.ca/Resources/Myths.aspx


Contents
Hope for Parents
Parenting Tips
Myths about Hearing Loss
Words Alive
Links

Contact DCS
About DCS
DCS Team

Myths about Hearing Loss

Myth: A child's potential will be limited because of his/her deafness.

Reality: Do not consider your child as sick. He is as normal as any other child. The only difference is that he cannot hear. The DCS motto, "a deaf child is a child first," exemplifies this fact.

Myth: Deaf people cannot hear and enjoy music.

Reality: Music is considered an universal language because it communicates across all language barriers. Many deaf people can, and do, enjoy music. It has long been known that children, hearing or deaf, benefit from being exposed to music. Depending on the level of hearing loss many deaf children are about to pick up the rhythm of music through sound vibrations and thus can learn to recognize the elements of pitch, duration, and intensity. There are even deaf musicians.

Myth: All hearing losses are the same.

Reality: The single term deafness covers a wide range of hearing losses that have very different effects on a person’s ability to process sound and thus, to understand speech. Speech and language are not the same thing. Although speech and spoken language are related, speech and language are very different. Speech is one way of expressing a language. Language can also be expressed in written form, visual/manual form as with American Sign Langauge (ASL) and Langue des signes québécoise (LSQ), and through touch, such as communication with Deaf-Blind people.

Myth: If a deaf child learns to sign first, she will have difficulty learning to speak later.

Reality: It must be reminded that each child is unique, with his/her own set of skills. Studies have shown that sign language does not have a negative impact on the ability to speak. The ability to communicate at an early age, in any mode, increases the child’s capacity to acquire other languages. Children will learn the advantages of speech if they receive positive feedback when using their voice.

Myth: All deaf people use sign language.

Reality: Culturally Deaf people use sign language. Many people with a hearing loss do not know sign language.

Myth: All deaf and hard of hearing people are good speechreaders.

Reality: Many factors are involved in the success of speechreading. People with a hearing loss are not inherently better speechreaders.

Myth: Parents lose their deaf children to the Deaf community.

Reality: Deaf people who enjoyed a close rapport and good communication, sign or oral, with their parents while growing up tend to remain close to them for the rest of their lives.

Myth: Deafness negatively affects a child’s ability to go to college/university and earning potential.

Reality: Many adults with hearing loss, regardless of the communication option they have chosen, can lead successful and fulfilling lives. Opportunities for children and adults who have hearing loss are endless. Some staff members in our office suffer hearing loss since childhood. Their presence testifies the opportunities available for children who have hearing loss.

Myth: People with hearing loss are “deaf and dumb.”

Reality: The inability to hear affects neither intelligence nor the physical ability to produce sounds. Deafness does not make people “dumb.”

Myth: Hearing aids completely correct hearing loss.

Reality: Hearing aids are assistive devices that improve hearing for some individuals. Unlike glasses that can restore 20/20 vision, hearing aids do not restore or correct hearing. Hearing aids amplify sound. A hearing aid may enable a person to hear someone’s voice, even though she may not be able to understand distinct words. Just because someone wears a hearing aid does not mean the person hears normally.

Myth: Deaf people are insensitive to noise.

Reality: Some types of hearing loss actually accentuate sensitivity to noise. Loud sounds become garbled and uncomfortable. Hearing aid users often find loud sounds, which are greatly magnified by their aids, very unpleasant.
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Thanks a lot from you people who thinks my writings has misconceptions. :whistle: :whistle: :whistle: :whistle: :whistle:

Thank you! ;)
Sweetmind
 
Boult said:
If I had a deaf child then I'll spend another 2 years researching on which path to take for him/her! It won't be a snap decision, "ok you gonna get a ci" no way.. I have to factor in everything around me!
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Exactly, same here :)
 
Myth: Parents lose their deaf children to the Deaf community.

Reality: Deaf people who enjoyed a close rapport and good communication, sign or oral, with their parents while growing up tend to remain close to them for the rest of their lives.
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Not always until they get older and want to be there for their parents. Thats natural love for our parents. Many deafies are dying for a true communication that is comfortable for us to have. ;)

Thank you! ;)
Sweetmind
 
Sweetmind said:
Quoted from somewhere else....

Myth: A child's potential will be limited because of his/her deafness.

Reality: Do not consider your child as sick. He is as normal as any other child. The only difference is that he cannot hear. The DCS motto, "a deaf child is a child first," exemplifies this fact.
This is about 2 different things. Limited potential is not allways related to sickness. A child that grows up deaf has limited potentials due to the deafness. That does not mean it's sick...
The motto is good.

Myth: Deaf people cannot hear and enjoy music.

Reality: Music is considered an universal language because it communicates across all language barriers. Many deaf people can, and do, enjoy music. It has long been known that children, hearing or deaf, benefit from being exposed to music. Depending on the level of hearing loss many deaf children are about to pick up the rhythm of music through sound vibrations and thus can learn to recognize the elements of pitch, duration, and intensity. There are even deaf musicians.
True. There are also people that went up with the spaceshuttle. And I agree that rhythm can be picked up due to vibration. But it's a matter of perspective. A deaf person focuses on what they can feel/hear. a hearing person will focus on what the child cannot hear in the music.

Myth: All hearing losses are the same.

Reality: The single term deafness covers a wide range of hearing losses that have very different effects on a person’s ability to process sound and thus, to understand speech. Speech and language are not the same thing. Although speech and spoken language are related, speech and language are very different. Speech is one way of expressing a language. Language can also be expressed in written form, visual/manual form as with American Sign Langauge (ASL) and Langue des signes québécoise (LSQ), and through touch, such as communication with Deaf-Blind people.
I thought this was about hearing loss. Suddely it's about language....

Myth: If a deaf child learns to sign first, she will have difficulty learning to speak later.

Reality: It must be reminded that each child is unique, with his/her own set of skills. Studies have shown that sign language does not have a negative impact on the ability to speak. The ability to communicate at an early age, in any mode, increases the child’s capacity to acquire other languages. Children will learn the advantages of speech if they receive positive feedback when using their voice.
Agree. Communication is first priority. When established, other means of communication are easier to obtain.

Myth: All deaf people use sign language.

Reality: Culturally Deaf people use sign language. Many people with a hearing loss do not know sign language.
Agree

Myth: All deaf and hard of hearing people are good speechreaders.

Reality: Many factors are involved in the success of speechreading. People with a hearing loss are not inherently better speechreaders.
Agree, although not being able to hear makes a person use the other senses more, so I can imaging that a deaf person would "read" another person better than a hearing person.

Myth: Parents lose their deaf children to the Deaf community.

Reality: Deaf people who enjoyed a close rapport and good communication, sign or oral, with their parents while growing up tend to remain close to them for the rest of their lives.
With sign being a requirement for being part of deaf culture, (as some people have found out, telling their experiences in this messageboard) it will be difficult for hearing parents to achieve a level that is acceptable for Deaf community. For hearing parents, sign is a secundairy language that is not generally used. For the child it might be a first language, learning all the time

Myth: Deafness negatively affects a child’s ability to go to college/university and earning potential.

Reality: Many adults with hearing loss, regardless of the communication option they have chosen, can lead successful and fulfilling lives. Opportunities for children and adults who have hearing loss are endless. Some staff members in our office suffer hearing loss since childhood. Their presence testifies the opportunities available for children who have hearing loss.
True when looking at individuals. Statistics show a different picture. (Topics alsewhere in AllDeaf)

Myth: People with hearing loss are “deaf and dumb.”

Reality: The inability to hear affects neither intelligence nor the physical ability to produce sounds. Deafness does not make people “dumb.”
True, but I have never heared this myth being used.

Myth: Hearing aids completely correct hearing loss.

Reality: Hearing aids are assistive devices that improve hearing for some individuals. Unlike glasses that can restore 20/20 vision, hearing aids do not restore or correct hearing. Hearing aids amplify sound. A hearing aid may enable a person to hear someone’s voice, even though she may not be able to understand distinct words. Just because someone wears a hearing aid does not mean the person hears normally.
Agree

Myth: Deaf people are insensitive to noise.

Reality: Some types of hearing loss actually accentuate sensitivity to noise. Loud sounds become garbled and uncomfortable. Hearing aid users often find loud sounds, which are greatly magnified by their aids, very unpleasant.
Agreed.
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So Sweetmind, I'm not too impressed with this article.
 
The "deaf and dumb" stereotype is very often assumed to be true in the USA, and it makes me mad. :pissed:
 
Cloggy said:
With sign being a requirement for being part of deaf culture, (as some people have found out, telling their experiences in this messageboard) it will be difficult for hearing parents to achieve a level that is acceptable for Deaf community. For hearing parents, sign is a secundairy language that is not generally used. For the child it might be a first language, learning all the time
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This could be true, except that not all hearing people struggle with it. I didn't, for example. The best advice I can give anyone attempting to learn to sign is to be at least bilingual first. It's definitely easier to be a good signer when you already know two or more other languages because it helps avoid tying the signing to your native oral language.

As for learning it "to an acceptable level", you can if you practice, practice, practice! I had silent days with my fiancee when I was still new at it so I'd have practice thinking on my feet with it instead of falling back to English. It helped me a ton. Now almost every day I see her is a "silent day". ;)
Cloggy said:
True when looking at individuals. Statistics show a different picture. (Topics alsewhere in AllDeaf)
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There is a book in the US called Great Deaf Americans. I know I pointed it out before, but it does have the success stories of lots of deaf people who made it without using the CI.
 
ButterflyGirl said:
Excuse me but I don't think you should compare a life saving caesarean section surgery with a CI surgery. I had to have one in order to save my baby's life and also my life. Most caesarean section surgeries are done to save a precious life.
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Yes it's same with me as well. They have to do caesarean section surgery to deliver my son out to save my or my son's risk life after 36 hours labor pain.
 
Cloggy said:
I don't. I have no intention of saying anyhting of the kind.
I'm comparing "caesarean", not "lifesaving caesarean".

I know that for example in Holland and Norway, there are far, really far, less ceasarians than in USA. It has to be an emergency to have on, like in your case. The doctor will not consider it if there is no medical reason.
The difference in numbers is explained by the ease at which ceasarians are given in USA. Allready at the request of the woman - or man, a ceasarian is given.

Remember, we are not talking about extreme cases.

My reason stating "ceasarian" and "circumsicion" is that sometimes the argument of "unnessasary operation" is used to argue against CI, but ceasarian and circumsicion are in many cases also unnessasary. Certainly circumsicion.
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Yes I understand what you mean difference between caesarians and lifesaving caesarians... German doctors only support caesarians who have after 10 hours labor pain, not before 10 hours labor pain. It was started few years after I had my first son with the help from emergency caesarian section after 36 hours labor pain.

Yes I'm agree that caesarian and circumsicion are not neccassary but I also think it's not neccassary to implant babies/toddler with CI as well because CI is not belong to kind of lifesaving. No offense please.

Yes I know and respect your view as parent when I as parent see different than you when I have a deaf child. All what I want to say is you are good parent since I know your posts in any CI threads here.
 
Sweetmind said:
Well PSE is mixed with ASL or native sign language and English. So what are you trying to imply? It seems to me Bi Bi language as well.. LOL! It s no difference. Anyway, thanks to oralism, signing [ artificial languages] seems to be more complicated than it needs to be. **rme**

Thank You! ;)
Sweetmind
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My father always taught me to *WRITE* as I *TALK* because I was able to communicate effectively using PSE which includes articles, proper agreements, clauses and all that. When I wrote something on paper, I didn't do things right so that is how my father came up with this advice. When I wrote something, I tend to mumble and *think* in PSE point of view, fix the grammar errors WHILE i sign mentally then write it down. How can I do that with ASL?

It is my personal belief that sign language *SHOULD* match written language in order to solidify the grammar knowledge, and use ASL for pure social purpose similiar to hearing people. When hearing people go to work place, they tend to "upper" their spoken language into corporate levels and when they go out to bar or something social, they "relax" their language using more slangs, short cuts and so on.

I do agree that parents of a deaf child should really consider this decision throughouly, if the deafness damage is too great and slim chances in Cochlear Implant, they should SERIOUSLY consider learning PSE and abandon CI. If they really do love their children, they should be willing to learn PSE -- it's sad that a lot of deaf population grew up in broken family where parent wouldn't want to learn sign language, often resulting into poor education imposed on their children.
 
As far as cochlear implant is considered whether it be "necessary", those who argued that it is not life-saving, therefore not necessary. You are right in that it is not "life-saving", but since they are YOUNG, their brains are NOT yet mapped of anything, it would be a GOOD idea to have CI implanted (only if it have high probability that it will work) and if not, then PSE is a good 'fall back' tool to use.
 
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