EVIDENCE of being deaf with Hearing Aid device

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It sucks that some people are SO closeminded about CI's....:(
 
ButterflyGirl said:
Excuse me but I don't think you should compare a life saving caesarean section surgery with a CI surgery. I had to have one in order to save my baby's life and also my life. Most caesarean section surgeries are done to save a precious life.
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I don't. I have no intention of saying anyhting of the kind.
I'm comparing "caesarean", not "lifesaving caesarean".

I know that for example in Holland and Norway, there are far, really far, less ceasarians than in USA. It has to be an emergency to have on, like in your case. The doctor will not consider it if there is no medical reason.
The difference in numbers is explained by the ease at which ceasarians are given in USA. Allready at the request of the woman - or man, a ceasarian is given.

Remember, we are not talking about extreme cases.

My reason stating "ceasarian" and "circumsicion" is that sometimes the argument of "unnessasary operation" is used to argue against CI, but ceasarian and circumsicion are in many cases also unnessasary. Certainly circumsicion.
 
gnulinuxman said:
You accused me of lying about my fiancee's childhood.
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I did not accuse you at all.. i questioned you.. then i talked to deafgeek.... it proved all bullshit... she was deaf before her mother beat her up... as you said she was beated for refusing to wear hearing aids... it did not ring all true... she was deaf PERIOID before she was beated by her mother...

i never accused you for lying.. i accused deafgeek unless you are aka deafgeek???

What more i had worked with austic children... you are not austic at all...
Thanks!!
SxyPorkie

P.S. someone did thought you and deafgeek were same person on your topic needing help about your mother and her boyfriend.... that wakes me up... watching you more longer....
 
I wonder if you know what a ghostwriter is? Hmmm, I think not. :nono:

StacieLeigh -- thank you for sticking up for me. I am just so amazed at how people hold onto their opinions and sounding like a broken record over and over. It is SO sad they can't (or will not) open up their minds and accept the facts of life. We ARE in the 21st century for crying out loud!

AND I really canNOT understand how someone could dare to tear down parents over their choices to implant their children. For shame! It IS their choice and their business! Cloggy is doing just great with his darling Lotte.
 
LuciaDisturbed said:
It sucks that some people are SO closeminded about CI's....:(
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It sucks that some people don't even try to understand where we are coming from or that we're not closed-minded.
 
Cloggy said:
I don't. I have no intention of saying anyhting of the kind.
I'm comparing "caesarean", not "lifesaving caesarean".

I know that for example in Holland and Norway, there are far, really far, less ceasarians than in USA. It has to be an emergency to have on, like in your case. The doctor will not consider it if there is no medical reason.
The difference in numbers is explained by the ease at which ceasarians are given in USA. Allready at the request of the woman - or man, a ceasarian is given.[...]
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Two things here:

1. If cochlear implants aren't medically necessary, why are they dished out to so many parents who want them for their kids?

2. Why are you comparing CIs to house fires too?
 
greema said:
I wonder if you know what a ghostwriter is? Hmmm, I think not. :nono:
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I doubt you do.
greema said:
StacieLeigh -- thank you for sticking up for me. I am just so amazed at how people hold onto their opinions and sounding like a broken record over and over. It is SO sad they can't (or will not) open up their minds and accept the facts of life. We ARE in the 21st century for crying out loud!
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If you want a change for the 21st century, try teaching as many people to sign as you can and get them to do the same. Remember, making deaf people act like hearing people was from the 19th century with AG Bell. Yes, over a century ago. See how it turned out? Hatred everywhere.

Or you can just agree with Nesmuth that signing is somehow obsolete and continue the tradition. :roll:
greema said:
AND I really canNOT understand how someone could dare to tear down parents over their choices to implant their children. For shame! It IS their choice and their business! Cloggy is doing just great with his darling Lotte.
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The problem isn't with what they decide. It is how they are so proud of their children because of the CI making them hear so well... But what really bothers me is the number of parents today who say "I wish I could have implanted my deaf daughter/son when she/he was a kid. It would have made my life easier." Liebling had a story to this effect somewhere.
 
gnulinuxman said:
It sucks that some people don't even try to understand where we are coming from or that we're not closed-minded.
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WE???
 
SxyPorkie said:
You are ghostwriter.. you even admitted to netrox on other topic and i did warned Sweetmind......NOTHING NEW ABOUT YOU!!

SxyPorkie
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You are so sweet...

You could have looked it up... but who's to help you.... well, I will: (Highlighted so that you can find it easier...)
2 definitions found for ghostwriter

From The Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48 :

ghostwriter \ghost"writ`er\, ghost-writer \ghost"-writ`er\n.
One who ghost-writes (a book, article, etc.) for someone
else. [WordNet 1.5]


From WordNet (r) 2.0 :

ghostwriter
n : a writer who gives the credit of authorship to someone else
[syn: ghost]
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(from this site)

By the way.. "admitted to netrox on other topic and i did warned Sweetmind" .....
what are you babbling about...???
In a sentance, write something like "admitte to ....." so that it makes sence.

Also... "I did warn Sweetmind" and
it's "Audist" which when you work with them, you should know.
 
gnulinuxman said:
It's obvious she was whining about the people who aren't for implanting everybody 100%.
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I was whining?

::looks around::

Was I whining?

I think not.
 
This is often one hot and arguementative issue.

For future discussions, *NEVER* attack one's personally AND *NEVER* criticize one's opinion on Cochlear Implants UNLESS it is ASKED and put it in PM.

For the next time if you attack someone personally or to iginite fight, you will be BANNED for a WEEK, no EXCEPTIONS!

This thread is now UNLOCKED.
 
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gnulinuxman said:
I doubt you do.
If you want a change for the 21st century, try teaching as many people to sign as you can and get them to do the same.
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You are missing the point. A good majority of the parents on this site that have/will implant their children are already using sign language or learning it. I have read about numerous parents who say their children know it. No one here is saying to forget about sign language completely, everyone wants to just give the children another option to communicate. I am pretty sure cloggy's daughter still uses sign language. If she can't find a word, I think he said she signs it. Obviously the parents still use it with her or she would forget it. Why not let the child hear as well as sign. Sign language is a great language, I am looking forward to learning a lot.

People need to stop trashing the parents on this site, we wouldn't be here if we were the type of parents you are making us out to be!
 
CasperGemini said:
ADMIN: I'm just attacking Gay New Linux because, he stole my GF while I was planning to go to see her one day. She just had no patience in waiting for me to go see her. I'm just gonna shut up and not gonna deal with those 2 noobs n e more. Not worth my time anyhow.
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That has nothing to do with this thread, and put in PM next time please. This only causes the unnecessary arguementation that can derail this thread again.
 
GNU said:
Two things here:

1. If cochlear implants aren't medically necessary, why are they dished out to so many parents who want them for their kids?

2. Why are you comparing CIs to house fires too?
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My goodness, I really have to help you...

On question 1:
*** You indicate here plainly that you think that medical nessecity (pardon my spelling) is the reason for CI. It is not. There is a difference between reasons for CI and procedures needed to have CI.
*** ....

On question 2:
People reading this have no idea where that question came from. YOu could have PM'd me if you really want to know***.
I gave the answer here as a reply to your post in that (now closed) topic. Since you don't mind bringing up a question from that topic, you might as well have answered it here as well. You chose to lay low and not reply..... fine.
To prevent people to think that you ask weired questions, I retrieved it and the subject of your question is shown below:
Cloggy: And when your house in on fire, you can also think about all pro's and cons.... instead of acting!
GNU: WTF does THAT have to do with the CI?
Cloggy: ................ Shows that you really love to use the "WTF" expression... as if that really makes it important.. The example indicates that sometimes you cannot think for too long, and you need to act straight away to get the best results.
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I'm sure you'll think of some other silly questions just to be able to "discuss" and feel free to do so.
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Let me explain something first, then apply to the Cochlear Implants vs Deaf world.

I've seen this happen at NTID/RIT, Gallaudet and other deaf universities where hearing impaired (oralist) student grew up with parent who were strict on oral thing (little or no sign language) are already adaptable to the working world. They often became interested into ASL and support deaf culture, because they, too, are deaf and understood what it is like to be deaf. Same way with cochlear implants, they knew they are different and I'm sure with some sign language they will be MORE than likely to participate with deaf culture, learn ASL in later time and they will be ALREADY ready for working world where communication is required. Deaf culture, I'm sorry to say, isn't a priority to corporate world, but IS a priority to their social life. With Cochlear Implant, the primary priority is accomplished while they have the option for secondary priority, which is social life.

I'm totally against "Deaf purist", ASL and things like that to be used as a tool to raise children. Education is the key thing, we should do whatever it is necessary to push Education though to our children and to CHALLENGE them.
 
LinuxGold said:
Let me explain something first, then apply to the Cochlear Implants vs Deaf world.

I've seen this happen at NTID/RIT, Gallaudet and other deaf universities where hearing impaired (oralist) student grew up with parent who were strict on oral thing (little or no sign language) are already adaptable to the working world. They often became interested into ASL and support deaf culture, because they, too, are deaf and understood what it is like to be deaf. Same way with cochlear implants, they knew they are different and I'm sure with some sign language they will be MORE than likely to participate with deaf culture, learn ASL in later time and they will be ALREADY ready for working world where communication is required. Deaf culture, I'm sorry to say, isn't a priority to corporate world, but IS a priority to their social life. With Cochlear Implant, the primary priority is accomplished while they have the option for secondary priority, which is social life.

I'm totally against "Deaf purist", ASL and things like that to be used as a tool to raise children. Education is the key thing, we should do whatever it is necessary to push Education though to our children and to CHALLENGE them.
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:gpost:
 
LinuxGold said:
Education is the key thing, we should do whatever it is necessary to push Education though to our children and to CHALLENGE them.
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Excellent post!
 
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