EVIDENCE of being deaf with Hearing Aid device

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gnulinuxman said:
Look for the book Great Deaf Americans. It has the stories of hundreds of deaf people who succeeded without any cochlear implants or the ability to hear.
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I dont need to look into that book - my fiance is one of these deaf folks who rely on ASL 100 percent and is 100 percent successful in information technology field as he has proved to them via his skills, not language.

But it doesnt mean I am against CI ..I have one and I love it. My fiance accepts me for who I am. He is not feeling threatened by my getting CI or that I speak better than him. He is confident in himself enough to accept me for who I am.

Sweetmind is too insistent on spreading her gospel - these who can do it all with ASL humbly can do it via actions, not screaming out their gospel or acting like we are out to extinguish ASL culture. We learn more from these people than these paranoid folks.
 
ClearSky said:
Sign language equal using interpreters! Dependent, dependent, dependent. I don't like using a person to be with me to hear my personal discussions with others. I don't like relay hearing my personal information.....
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Well that your opinion, Does it make it our fault that we cannot hear? Interpreter are hired to be sure communication and understanding occurs. Do we want a misunderstanding communication or misleading information? That's why some of us are in needed for a sign language interpreter. If people in the society had an opportunely to communicate with the deaf we wouldn't be in need for a sign language interpreter.

And for relay, If a place of business had a tty we wouldn't be calling through relay service to begin with.
 
Clearsky, don't waste your time with SM or the others because they will not understand what we're talking about.

Anyway, I'll get back on my high horse and prance off.
 
gnulinuxman said:
The reason many fail could be that they are taught to depend on a hearing aid instead of LIPREADING. Then, when they can no longer hear with the aid, they can't lipread well enough to keep understanding it (or be forced to get a CI).
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And you know this how? You've btdt? Well I've been dependant on lip reading since forever. I'd actually say that alot of us who grew up in hearing schools learned to adapt without failing. My grades were average (C's, some b's) I didn't hear alot in the classroom, even with HA's sometimes. I did lipread, without ever being taught and i doubt I'm the only one who figured out how to do so myself.

A parent has the right to decide to implant thier toddler/young child. All your discussion on how awful it is isn't going to stop them from doing what they feel is best for their situation. The young girls literacy may in fact be due to a secondary LD which was never diagnosed, happens alot in the sped world, once they get a lable the staff doesn't want to exert themselves trying to solve the next problem that comes up, just blames it on laziness or the 1st disablity. (btdt too)

I hear such anger from some of these teens who can finally make their own decision. I remember being a teen, yeah I thought I was always right. :angel: I wish them the best, and hopefully they'll get over the anger they have toward their parents. And they are angry at their parents (btdt too). Many remiedal programs are available and I hope they take advantage of them rather then waste alot of energy on anger (wish I had lost my anger much sooner). The first step was to really step back and look at myself, until then I didn't think I was angry either. I no longer am and can except life as it comes. :)

I do wonder how much influence contacting other people (teens and adults) who are very anti ci have on kids like the teen who is blaming the ci for her illiteracy. We don't know this child, we don't know how well her spoken comprehension is. She may do quite well with spoken language and the poor reading/writing skills may in fact be caused by some other type of LD. (seen more secondary LD's blamed on the major problem then I care to think about, sigh)
 
Well that your opinion, Does it make it our fault that we cannot hear? Interpreter are hired to be sure communication and understanding occurs. Do we want a misunderstanding communication or misleading information? That's why some of us are in needed for a sign language interpreter. If people in the society had an opportunely to communicate with the deaf we wouldn't be in need for a sign language interpreter.

And for relay, If a place of business had a tty we wouldn't be calling through relay service to begin with.
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I know Cheri. You're not saying anything that I do not know.
 
ClearSky said:
I know Cheri. You're not saying anything that I do not know.
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Then why are you complaining? Do you have a better suggestion how to solve this issue without having a 3rd party involved?
 
I do wonder how much influence contacting other people (teens and adults) who are very anti ci have on kids like the teen who is blaming the ci for her illiteracy. We don't know this child, we don't know how well her spoken comprehension is. She may do quite well with spoken language and the poor reading/writing skills may in fact be caused by some other type of LD. (seen more secondary LD's blamed on the major problem then I care to think about, sigh)
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You are very right. The deaf can have a brainwashing effect. I don't always trust them. I don't know how else to call it besides brainwashing because I did speak with someone who went to a deaf school years later who used to like her CI, but she stopped wearing it because the kids at the deaf school made fun of her. When I talked to her, you can tell that it's The Deaf Cultural Effect. I could tell that this school had no support for children with cochlear implants. I could go on.....This is why I always have to question deeper than what some angry people say about CI.
 
Cheri said:
Then why are you complaining? Do you have a better suggestion how to solve this issue without having a 3rd party involved?
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This is pointing to SweetMind how having an interpreter is being dependent, and that is why I am okay with technologies that leads to independent lives. I think there is nothing wrong with it.

Why are you so offended? We are talking here. Try not to get offended please.
 
ClearSky said:
Why are you so offended? We are talking here. Try not to get offended please.
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Did I say I was offended? Don't put words in my mouth or accuse me of being offended.
 
ClearSky said:
This projects to me that you are taking this personally and getting offended.
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I can tell you're a newbie, You got to know people before making accusations. Believe me, You'll know when something offended me, I'll tell you first-hand. ;)
 
I am going to keep away from these threads. They are not worth it. No opinions are respected without someone coming on too strong. The only way to be happy is to be yourself according to your own life and experience. No one has the secret recipe for happiness. You only discover it yourself. Thanks for chatting, but it's the last time in any thread including others outside of alldeaf.
 
I was wondering... I see SoMe people repeating their own posts, even highlighted...

Do we get extra credit for that?
 
jag said:
And you know this how? You've btdt? Well I've been dependant on lip reading since forever. I'd actually say that alot of us who grew up in hearing schools learned to adapt without failing. My grades were average (C's, some b's) I didn't hear alot in the classroom, even with HA's sometimes. I did lipread, without ever being taught and i doubt I'm the only one who figured out how to do so myself.
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My deaf friends and my fiancee told me from their experiences. Besides, you totally missed my point.
jag said:
A parent has the right to decide to implant thier toddler/young child. All your discussion on how awful it is isn't going to stop them from doing what they feel is best for their situation. The young girls literacy may in fact be due to a secondary LD which was never diagnosed, happens alot in the sped world, once they get a lable the staff doesn't want to exert themselves trying to solve the next problem that comes up, just blames it on laziness or the 1st disablity. (btdt too)
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In the 1960's, white people had a right to treat black people like second-class citizens. Does that make it right? No. [highlight]I'm not saying CI's are like that[/highlight], but I'm showing that the law doesn't necessarily dictate what is right and wrong.

Also, parents of deaf children will jump at any "fix" because they think it's the only way their kids will ever succeed at all.
jag said:
I hear such anger from some of these teens who can finally make their own decision. I remember being a teen, yeah I thought I was always right. :angel: I wish them the best, and hopefully they'll get over the anger they have toward their parents. And they are angry at their parents (btdt too). Many remiedal programs are available and I hope they take advantage of them rather then waste alot of energy on anger (wish I had lost my anger much sooner). The first step was to really step back and look at myself, until then I didn't think I was angry either. I no longer am and can except life as it comes. :)
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Teenagers aren't always wrong about everything--it's a common perception, though. Parents are NOT perfect either, especially when uninformed about all possible options. NOBODY is perfect. Are you implying that you think all parents are perfect?

The CI is usually presented by audiologists as "the last resort". Most parents think it's the last hope for the kid to ever succeed in anything because of this. It isn't, and the CI needs to be presented as a tool instead.
jag said:
I do wonder how much influence contacting other people (teens and adults) who are very anti ci have on kids like the teen who is blaming the ci for her illiteracy. We don't know this child, we don't know how well her spoken comprehension is. She may do quite well with spoken language and the poor reading/writing skills may in fact be caused by some other type of LD. (seen more secondary LD's blamed on the major problem then I care to think about, sigh)
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I don't. I am just tired of parents implanting kids automatically because it is presented as the "last resort"--that is, the only hope for success.
 
ClearSky said:
I am going to keep away from these threads. They are not worth it. No opinions are respected without someone coming on too strong. The only way to be happy is to be yourself according to your own life and experience. No one has the secret recipe for happiness. You only discover it yourself. Thanks for chatting, but it's the last time in any thread including others outside of alldeaf.
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Well, you have come on quite strong too. From your posts, it seems like you're expecting everyone to agree with you. This is a controversial topic.
 
gnulinuxman said:
I am just tired of parents implanting kids automatically because it is presented as the "last resort"--that is, the only hope for success.
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Of course, cochlear implants are the last resort and it's never automatic for any parents.

Dude, you keep owning yourself.
 
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