EVIDENCE of being deaf with Hearing Aid device

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SxyPorkie said:
It seems you have little understanding about deafies and their world,, you need to be more involved in the deaf society to help yourself more understanding.... you will see and learn more,,, try to be invovled in deaf society!!!

Thanks!!

SxyPorkie :ugh2:
I'm sure...
 
Cloggy
Mookie
Cloggy
Mookie

How does gesture work for you to understand? Can regular people understand gestures even thought they never learnt about deaf culture?
No answer?
I missed it... (I'm sure you and your friend will think of a nice remark on that...) Yes
I thought you are the expert in hearing world. Do any babies develop gesture before the spoken language? Come on, what's matter with your IQ?


Facial expression?
"Everyone uses these. With ASL more than speech only"
Come on, Cloggy. Don't you forgotton the opera singers use their facial expression? I watched the facial expression of the actors quoting from william shakespeare play on TV program. Why do you blame whole deafie about using facial expression? I think you have forgotten that your own child with CI does have facial expression. You need to see yours in mirror....
Uh, didn't I say everyone uses it? When I learned sign, I had to get used to using MORE facial expression.
Really?...you need to use more facial expression with your kid. 258, I wonder why people with CI easily cheat for recognizing any hearie's facial expression. Isn't that a part of deaf culture? If so, it is a part of ASL?

Body language?
"Everyone uses these. With ASL more than speech only"
Don't you ever see any professional athletes, coaches, and umpires do their own body language? Time out? Foul? "Go that way"? Why do you assume about using ASL more than speech? Did your boss shows his/her finger that one? Come on, Cloggy. You can do better than that. I thought you only speak several languages?
Again, didn't I say EVERYONE uses it? Is it your reading skills - or your understanding skills that are lacking?
No, you already wrote your own fragment clause which that you broke the English grammer rule. See your first answer. Quit the freking blaming me for misunderstanding.

What is differenet between sign language and oralism?
Sign language is a language, Oralism is a method
Come on, Cloggy...don't you know that oralism method allow to use fingerspelling?
I know... What's wrong with my answer
If you already knew, why are you so lazy to input? What is different between frog and fuck?

Would CI people accept hearing impaired status?
If they do not accept HI status, are they losing their identify in deaf culture/deaf soceity? They do. Read the topics and posts of Neecy, R2D2, etc. And if they were connected to Deaf culture. They remain so. It happens that Deaf culture rejects them!
So what. There are so small number of CI people espeically Neecy and R2D2 to accept deaf culture/deaf society. Don't you know that there are lots of people with CI who lost their hearing in their late adult that they do not bother to accept the deaf status. Naturally, there are high percentage in that category. Cloggy, I am gladly that you are with deaf society. But you have forgotten that there are others with CI do not get along with deafies...
There's a difference between "getting along with deafies" and "being with deaf society". I'll leave it to someone else to explain... (again)
Oh I see, you like to flame whole deafies with ASL who doe not want to accept CI. Deal with it.


Why would CI society enjoy getting free CC on tv or using Internet relay service that they do not want to be misunderstood commmuniation?
Because when I watch norwegian television, I enjoy subtitles on english films. When communication is not 100% in one language, then CC wil help.
Oh boy, you are a hearie. Maybe you have not found any people with CI in your area.
You see, there is something wrong with your memory. Just 1 minute before you wrote this, you mentioned my daughter with CI... "Is there a doctor in this messageboard?"
Who is having a heartattack? I will wait for your response while performing CPR on your keyboard.
Come on, Cloggy. How do you know if people with CI depend on CC? I thought they do not need CC anymore.


How comes CI society does not get along with deafies with ASL? Are they ingoring them so that they could climb rapidly in their careers?
They do. From what I have read in the topics it's Deaf culture that rejects people that choose for CI. Plenty of examples here, but I guess you reject these.
How do you know if I reject? I do not need CI for the rest of my own life so it is my choice.
I have met some people with CI and I have not provided them any negatives...You see, you have reading and understanding problems....

I said "I guess" which is totally different from "I know". Ask your buddy sitting next to you.... if that would help.
Whose buddy am I sitting? There is no buddy who would advise me to inquire you. How was your buddy while you were PMing recently? Just me and you with others. Don't forget to thank your wrestling partner.



Cloggy, I do not think you have much to explain whole Deaf Culture/Society....
Still need more...
Hello Cloggy, still need more...
 
To prevent clogging up Sweeties thread - which I'm sure she will not like, I've started a new topic....
Copy - past your answers there....
 
I moved my reply to the new thread cloggy made so not to clutter up this one.
 
Sweetmind said:
Guess what, my two hearing daughters first language was ASL that you couldnt accept the fact that they are very accomplished in their academics and were on the honor roll. Guess what their school doesnt call me for the teacher s conference because they dont want to spend money on interpreter as well as they dont give a damn about me as being mother of my children .. It shows me that they, just like you, have a huge problem with prejudice and discrimination toward me as a Deaf mother. ;)

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Sweetmind


It's no surprise that your children learned ASL (and my guess was they actually signed back to you earlier then kids who aren't exposed to ASL) THey are bi lingal (sp?) this is great.

Perhaps your arguement should not be against the CI/HA themselves, they aren't the problem and the early the child recieves them the better easier it is for them to learn to speak and hear oral languages. From what I'm hearing most of those adamently against CI/HA's have had problems in their past (welcome to my world :) ) with communication problems with their families. Language is easily aquired up until around 8 years old. This would be a good time for a CI/HA plus trying to get the child into a class that uses some type of visual language. And even if the parents opt to not us ASL, SEE, or cued speech because of an implant it's their decision to make.

I just recieved a CI. I actually didn't 'qualify' for it. I like living in the hearing world, I also know what it's like to hear well enough to get by and have people think the HA takes care of the problem. I like listening to music, I like to actually hear some of the stuff on tv and not have to read all the captions. In really like following conversations WITHOUT have to stuggle to figure out what the heck theyre talking about. That's what a CI can do. And young children should have the oppertunity to learn the skills when they are young enough to absorb the input without stuggling.

WIll implants work with everyone who gets them, of course not. Not one thing done medically has 100% success rates. Even tubal ligations fail and a woman ends up with a tubal pregnancy, psychotropic drugs cause some people to flip out and harm themselves and others yet they work for the vast majority who take them, EVERYTHING has a failure rate and I'm sure the parents are aware as I was before risking a surgical procedure. I could see if you were arguing that parents should push ASL along with the speech by putting them in a classroom where it's worked in preschool.

Now about the school not 'offering' you interpeters for conferences. Did you actually request an interpenter (in writing) to be present so you could dicuss your child's teachers (in hs you would also need to let them know which teachers they would need to notify so they could schedule them to be there when you wanted to talk to them since they do have to pay milage and hourly for intepeters). If you didn't make the request they have no way of knowing that you want to meet with the staff. While in elementy school they actually schedule conferences for parents in high/middle school they have conference days but don' actually schedule any parent with specific teachers, you have to go in and see them yourself, sometimes you wait while someone else is finishing up discussing their child. Many parents don't go to hs conferences if things are going great for their kid, so unless you notified the hs your children attended they aren't going to have an interpeter standing by just in case you decide to come. If you have never tried notifying them and you still have a child in school try it next time and see if they don't try to accomodate you. If you put the request in writing, and copy one to a file to yourself so you have a paper trail they will probably get right to it. You may have to have a time different then normal parent teacher conferences because of scheduling issues but my guess is you will (or would have if the children are out of school) get your meeting with an interpeter present.

To say that the school is not accomadating your needs because you are Deaf when you havn't notified them that you need that accomodation isn't right. If you have notified them and they didn't complywith your needs then you can persue it leagally under the ADA I think. Just because there is the ADA does not mean that we as the person with the needs do not also have responsiblities like notifying the other party that we need some type of accomodation. If you don't notify, then you can't expect to be accomdated.

I'd be interested in knowing how your school reacts if you do make a request. Remember to ALWAYS make a paper trail. (and don't forget to date your letter :) )
 
Sweetmind said:
This is an old article and they always put the negative aspect in the paper. .... facts, ......trust them......t devices ........ They dont know the truth...... Deaf people know the truth........Nesmith .....negative ....Deaf community. ... ADA for Deaf rights ........negative ..... Deafness...... *thumbs down* ..... Deaf people like Mookie, Sxyporkie, myself, hearing people ...... (gnulinuxman, donn) , Latened Deaf like (CSN) ......Deaf Leaders ......Matthew Moore, Harlen Lane, .... Oral .....Deaf Activities ........... $$$$$$money$$$$$$ .... oral ............ robot ......Scoffs!

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Sweetmind
I've heared this before........ (I summarized the post to prevent taking up too much space.)

Oh, BTW, Harlan Lane has excellent knowledge about Deaf culture...
He knows NOTHING about CI.
He stayed away from that subject since his book "Mask of Benevolance." (10+ years ago) and that's good of him. He realised he's no expert on CI. He realised the negative arguments he had back then are completely wrong. Especially in this time.

So, read HArlan Lane when you want information on Deaf Culture. Read something from this century when you want information on CI.

Sweetmind, shall I send you some CI information?
 
that is right.. have to put in writing and ask for a request of an interpreter for the parent conference. they will not get u one UNLESS you put in a writing.. i always ask for interpreter for the conference and they got me one.. so im quite happy with them. :)
 
Perhaps your arguement should not be against the CI/HA themselves, they aren't the problem and the early the child recieves them the better easier it is for them to learn to speak and hear oral languages. From what I'm hearing most of those adamently against CI/HA's have had problems in their past (welcome to my world ) with communication problems with their families. Language is easily aquired up until around 8 years old. This would be a good time for a CI/HA plus trying to get the child into a class that uses some type of visual language. And even if the parents opt to not us ASL, SEE, or cued speech because of an implant it's their decision to make.

I just recieved a CI. I actually didn't 'qualify' for it. I like living in the hearing world, I also know what it's like to hear well enough to get by and have people think the HA takes care of the problem. I like listening to music, I like to actually hear some of the stuff on tv and not have to read all the captions. In really like following conversations WITHOUT have to stuggle to figure out what the heck theyre talking about. That's what a CI can do. And young children should have the oppertunity to learn the skills when they are young enough to absorb the input without stuggling.

WIll implants work with everyone who gets them, of course not. Not one thing done medically has 100% success rates. Even tubal ligations fail and a woman ends up with a tubal pregnancy, psychotropic drugs cause some people to flip out and harm themselves and others yet they work for the vast majority who take them, EVERYTHING has a failure rate and I'm sure the parents are aware as I was before risking a surgical procedure. I could see if you were arguing that parents should push ASL along with the speech by putting them in a classroom where it's worked in preschool.

Now about the school not 'offering' you interpeters for conferences. Did you actually request an interpenter (in writing) to be present so you could dicuss your child's teachers (in hs you would also need to let them know which teachers they would need to notify so they could schedule them to be there when you wanted to talk to them since they do have to pay milage and hourly for intepeters). If you didn't make the request they have no way of knowing that you want to meet with the staff. While in elementy school they actually schedule conferences for parents in high/middle school they have conference days but don' actually schedule any parent with specific teachers, you have to go in and see them yourself, sometimes you wait while someone else is finishing up discussing their child. Many parents don't go to hs conferences if things are going great for their kid, so unless you notified the hs your children attended they aren't going to have an interpeter standing by just in case you decide to come. If you have never tried notifying them and you still have a child in school try it next time and see if they don't try to accomodate you. If you put the request in writing, and copy one to a file to yourself so you have a paper trail they will probably get right to it. You may have to have a time different then normal parent teacher conferences because of scheduling issues but my guess is you will (or would have if the children are out of school) get your meeting with an interpeter present.

To say that the school is not accomadating your needs because you are Deaf when you havn't notified them that you need that accomodation isn't right. If you have notified them and they didn't complywith your needs then you can persue it leagally under the ADA I think. Just because there is the ADA does not mean that we as the person with the needs do not also have responsiblities like notifying the other party that we need some type of accomodation. If you don't notify, then you can't expect to be accomdated.

I'd be interested in knowing how your school reacts if you do make a request. Remember to ALWAYS make a paper trail. (and don't forget to date your letter )

YOU DONT GET IT like the rest of others.. NOTHING NEW!! I dont think you are actually reading it from the start since you just join. If you read it very carefully what I m trying to say. You are making fool out of yourself already.. Thanks! ;) Thats all I can say.. I know someone out there will get my meanings.
 
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Sweetmind said:
This is an old article and they always put the negative aspect in the paper. .... facts, ......trust them......t devices ........ They dont know the truth...... Deaf people know the truth........Nesmith .....negative ....Deaf community. ... ADA for Deaf rights ........negative ..... Deafness...... *thumbs down* ..... Deaf people like Mookie, Sxyporkie, myself, hearing people ...... (gnulinuxman, donn) , Latened Deaf like (CSN) ......Deaf Leaders ......Matthew Moore, Harlen Lane, .... Oral .....Deaf Activities ........... $$$$$$money$$$$$$ .... oral ............ robot ......Scoffs!

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Sweetmind

I've heared this before........ (I summarized the post to prevent taking up too much space.)

Oh, BTW, Harlan Lane has excellent knowledge about Deaf culture...
He knows NOTHING about CI.
He stayed away from that subject since his book "Mask of Benevolance." (10+ years ago) and that's good of him. He realised he's no expert on CI. He realised the negative arguments he had back then are completely wrong. Especially in this time.

So, read HArlan Lane when you want information on Deaf Culture. Read something from this century when you want information on CI.

Sweetmind, shall I send you some CI information?
 
Oh, BTW, Harlan Lane has excellent knowledge about Deaf culture...
He knows NOTHING about CI.
He stayed away from that subject since his book "Mask of Benevolance." (10+ years ago) and that's good of him. He realised he's no expert on CI. He realised the negative arguments he had back then are completely wrong. Especially in this time.

So, read HArlan Lane when you want information on Deaf Culture. Read something from this century when you want information on CI.

TWO FACED from you all along. GNOS.... eerrrr CLOGGY Mr Hoagie errr BOULT!

Sweetmind, shall I send you some CI information?

I found a lot of negative sides about CI in person who talked to me and CI professional s statement about negative and use the biblical quotes against our deafness. SCOFFS!

NO NEED TO cuz I m getting a lot of lies all along! You speak for yourself not your daughter s speaking herself .. All of your nasty attitude shows the true colors already.. You just dont listen Thats all i can say!

NOBODY thinks of EX CI or HA that is always put us into the last and pretend that we are the failure. It s your excuses to use negative comments about Deaf people and our abilities that is positive outlook, you dont want to hear it. :liar: :liar: :liar: :liar:
 
Sweetmind said:
TWO FACED from you all along. GNOS.... eerrrr CLOGGY Mr Hoagie errr BOULT!

I found a lot of negative sides about CI in person who talked to me and CI professional s statement about negative and use the biblical quotes against our deafness. SCOFFS!
Would really like to know where you have read that... Please provide me just 1 link... (Not expecting an answer..)

NO NEED TO cuz I m getting a lot of lies all along! You speak for yourself not your daughter s speaking herself .. All of your nasty attitude shows the true colors already.. You just dont listen Thats all i can say!
What's my true color? It's about time you tell me (Again... Not expecting an answer..)

NOBODY thinks of EX CI or HA that is always put us into the last and pretend that we are the failure. There have been numerous examples. Can you find them yourself? (And again... Not expecting an answer..)

It s your excuses to use negative comments about Deaf people and our abilities that is positive outlook, you dont want to hear it.
Correction... We do want to hear.....
:liar: :liar: :liar: :liar:
:stupid: (To counterbalance the "liar" smilies... I thought 1 would do it)
 
WHOA all arguments about CI... I was involved.... i still dont believe in implanting babies and children while they has no choice to be made...

I got a surprise VP call from my old friend who is deaf and wore HA this morning... she told me she had CI implanted three yrs ago,,, she was very pleased,, her hearing husband told her if she changed her mind about having CI and she did not..

She still depends on closed captioned on TV.. and also still depends on an interpreter most of times... she said to me that CI does not make her hearing... even tho' she did heard a bird chirping for the first time... still need the Deaf Culture and society..

It is ok for deafies to make a choice to have CI, but not with children and babies... She agreed with me...

Thanks!!!

SxyPorkie :hyper: :angel:
 
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Cloggy said:
:stupid: (To counterbalance the "liar" smilies... I thought 1 would do it)
:bsflag: :liar: :liar:
You are lying to yourself.. you are ashamed of deaf daughter.. i saw pic of her she is beauty.. what a pity!!!!


you are also a LIAR

:liar: :liar:
Thanks!!

SxyPorkie
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they do not put ci on babies.. only after 1 yr old.. but 1 yr old is not considered as a baby as they are more like a toddler. that is fine if you disagreed with ci being put on young kids. its your choice..

if other parents want to put ci on their kids .. it is not up to you to do anything about it cuz the kids are not yours. if it come to your kids.. then DONT. why worry about people's business.. their business is not yours even to begin with?
 
Sweetmind said:
YOU DONT GET IT like the rest of others.. NOTHING NEW!! I dont think you are actually reading it from the start since you just join. If you read it very carefully what I m trying to say. You are making fool out of yourself already.. Thanks! ;) Thats all I can say.. I know someone out there will get my meanings.


Actually I do get what you're saying. You don't seem to get or want to get that language is learned easliy at an early age. The reason most parents choose to take advantage of implanting at a young age is to take advantage of this window. Thank you for the most kind welcome, didn't know that I shouldn't have an opinion on issues since I just joined. :whistle:

Not all families find sending thier kids to state deaf schools an easy option. (my daughters ride is only 1 hr each way, for others it's a much longer ride) Interpeter for one child is possible through IDEA, but to get the full deaf culture experience for those in areas where there are very few deaf indivduals means they would have to send their kids to a school a few hrs away, well for some families trying the CI and an oral approach is the best option when the child is small. I think it's great that these families have the option to keep their children at home vs sending their very young children away to school at a young age. Language immersion worked well with my daughter who has other issues (moderate to severe mental delays) at the age of 12, she as a mild hearing loss but little oral ablities. We wish we had given up on the local district earlier and gone with the 1 hr ride both ways at an earlier age. (hindsight is wonderful)

To take full advantage of the technology involved with a CI the younger the better, (kids are sponges when really young and can adapt to changes easily) immersion in a school for the deaf is definately an easier option at a later age then trying to hear (train your brain for sound, you brain alredy understands visual cues) and under stand oral words if the person has never heard much before. My dd's communication skills have improved immenensly with ASL, she is oral at home but will sign and answer questions appropriately now rather then saying no to everything. :) I also k now of a girl who started the same time a this school who had to be around 12 or so with hearing as the only problem. I know she didn't sign much when she arrived and now if fully included in the school/dorm community, she picked up sign quickly when immersed in that atmosphere. when learning to hear unfamilier sounds, plus speech that process is much longer because the brain has to first learn what each noise is and get it into it's 'program'. The process has to be much more frustrating to an older child then for one who's had the opertunity since preschool age.

Yeah I get what you're saying. I just have a different opinion. :)

Have a nice day. :)
 
SxyPorkie said:
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you are also a LIAR
..........

SxyPorkie
So, you know Sweetmind and you are calling her a liar. ("Also a liar")
Glad you don't know me..

Conclusion.... SxyPorkie is calling Sweetmind a liar...

I would never have said that! But then, YOU know her!
 
jag said:
Actually I do get what you're saying. You don't seem to get or want to get that language is learned easliy at an early age. The reason most parents choose to take advantage of implanting at a young age is to take advantage of this window. Thank you for the most kind welcome, didn't know that I shouldn't have an opinion on issues since I just joined. :whistle: :)

Welcome Jag...
Great to hear a sane voice....
 
Welcome Jag! I do admire you for taking the time and patience to put forward your experiences but 58 pages on it's a bit like flogging a dead horse on this thread.

How does that saying go?

"A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still."

So true! But anyway I hope to read more of your experiences on this forum.
 
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