EVIDENCE of being deaf with Hearing Aid device
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Didn't know we had gender problems around here...
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LOL SexyPorkie and Sweetmind are not the same person. I can guarantee that.
Just because some of us agree and may type alot alike does not make us the same person.
Look at Cloggy, Fragmenter, Boult and I. We all have very good english and typing skills. Does this make us the same person? 3 of those people have the same opinions about CI. does that make them all the same person because they sound alike?
Think we really need to get off that subject. Not everyone is immature enough to make up sns, and do multiple postings to *push* their agenda.
Not accusing anyone mind you because I believe there is no one here doing that as of yet.
Bear
Just because some of us agree and may type alot alike does not make us the same person.
Look at Cloggy, Fragmenter, Boult and I. We all have very good english and typing skills. Does this make us the same person? 3 of those people have the same opinions about CI. does that make them all the same person because they sound alike?
Think we really need to get off that subject. Not everyone is immature enough to make up sns, and do multiple postings to *push* their agenda.
Not accusing anyone mind you because I believe there is no one here doing that as of yet.
Bear
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Well I have to admit I wonder too. Everybody have their own syntax, and strangely SM's is very much like SP - too much, IMO.
Cloggy, Fragmenter, Boult and you does not have the same syntax.
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Cloggy, Fragmenter, Boult and you does not have the same syntax.
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Cloggy said:Ah... but do you hear the difference??
Just kidding.... couldn't help myself
I think SxyPorkie's head is inside Sweetminds cloud....
Cloggy,
What is different along sign language, body language, gesture, fingerspelling and facial expression?
Let's see how smart are you?
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Bear said:
Thank you very much ....What more they did not know you had seen me and sweetmind on VP ... of course I am older than you and Sweetmind.. but I guess we both have same opinion about CI... I understand how you feel about CI and you are thinking about implanting... I support you...I do not support children and babies having implanted.. they are not able to make a choice if they want it or not...
As they grow up.. it is great if they make a decision to have CI because they make their own decision!!!
Thank you again
Thanks!!!
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Strange question...Mookie said:
You might mean.. "What is the difference between..." but that wouldn't make sense.
You might mean "What is the connection among..." but that would be weired as well.
So I'll just used the words.......
Sign Language is a language that consists and mostly depends on all the above. It needs at least one of the characteristics above in order to work.
Speech comes in different languages and has most of the characteristics mentioned above. It does not use fingerspelling. All the others are part of it in some degree but are not needed. Speech can - and is - often done without the above characteristics. (E.G. telephone)
Hope this satisfies your curiosity.
First of all I like to say that I have had said more than three times that I would appreciate not discussing CI issues only in this topic because it has nothing to do with it . The topic is about ALL Devices and how they do not help us to hear everything. I wont waste my time, money, and/or energy to conform deaf children into hearing children that u are wishing for. I dont appreciate this kind of audist attitude at all.
The reason is that everybody knows that they have to love themselves first before anyone else. So therefore why do you want to destroy Deaf children s true identity from the start with your very negative views about deafness? You have no right to cross anyone s boundaries, that is our Deaf rights.
Deaf children are able without DEVICES. Thats all there is to it. How many different ways must it be said before you understand?????
No wonder Deaf children have issues with emotional and mental abuse every single day that we are struggling to adapt into a hearing child, that is not right. Once you are deaf that is that. PERIOD! No one can fix our deafness so they should not be destroying our Deaf children 's residual hearing because doctors are not experts on deafness, it cannot be fixed. PERIOD!
How dare you think Audism people know everything about our deafness while you dont know what about ASL or what it is like to be deaf from the start in many ways because you pretend to be hearing and do not know the truth after you got so much influence by them. Do they respect you for who you are? You hate yourself and make other people hate our strong point of view about our Adaptation and true language that works for us to combine with BI and BI language. It is so amazing it works for their deaf and hearing children that I have seen. We are bit different from you with our Deafness and feel many things that we depend on adaptations that is very healthy. As for my hearing children that I respect their true identity as well as I accepted that since they were born. I taught them first language of ASL and deaf culture so that they can adapt to accept all kind of miniority people in this diverse world. So therefore Deaf children have the right to be part of this diverse world, and not hearing world only. Audist people keep trying to change us Deaf people and end up giving us a negative view of ourselves and cause mental and emotional problems.
They do this for hearing peoples sakes but it will not change us or how we feel about being deaf as is. I don't appreciate how some people are always trying to change us..they should walk in our shoes for a little while and then maybe they will have new found respect for the Deaf culture. They cannot change my mind..all that many deaf people have experienced in our life abuse by some people..they will never forget. Therefore deaf people have the ultimate right to be part of the diverse world that we exist in. You cant handle it. Some of you never learned ASL or were involved in deaf culture therefore you have no right to comment negatively, or be destructive. Also, some of you have no good faith in yourselves for being deaf and shouldnt be negative about yourselves. ASL and oralist extremists affect our deaf community for no reason. Some CI radicals are negative and think that WE are the failures but in all actuality they are. Two groups against us but we are strong and believe in ourselves against all odds because we can do anything except hear if you'll let us.
Another thing.... many people are under the impression that ASL is the reason why some of us cannot write english but it is because we were forced to lipread and listen with devices that set us back in our literacy. That is the whole reason. Now you can understand why devices Do NOT help us hear in many ways. Also SEE doesnt help us either because it is a gutter language. People dont even know how to commmunicate with us or understand us or our deaf thinking that is different from you.
The funny thing is.. My eyes tell me that many Deaf parents have no problem with hearing children even their friends because they are more open and being themselves. They think it s wonderful to use our hands and willing to learn / understand our Deaf cultures in different countries that is what they have in their true language that is somewhat part of ASL .. It was so amazing that combines with all kind of Deaf languages that fits into. It is such a beautiful language that we have in our hands that is our gifted communication that is very important for us to have our one true language that combines with Signed English for us to have a very successful literacy. It s all about SIGNS, READING, CREATIVE THINKING, and WRITING that we depends on our eyes (visual) , brain that fits our deafness without having any interference in our learning process. I want it back where it started from and when it was very successful.
While Hearing parents have been struggling with their Deaf children that are sign impaired and nelgect their importance of healthy emotional and mental issues. DEaf children should be allowed to be happy or adapt their own ways, not by hearing s ways. It doesn't make sense to have deaf kids be conformed into hearing individuals after all the never ending problems. And for Deaf oralists who complain that they cant communicate and feel bad for themselves so they turn into wanna be hearing people after all they don't feel good about themselves...What's up with that? It just doesn't make sense...this is a serious problem.
Also I would like to say that I am not strongly religious and dont believe in pushing religion on others or destroying their personal beliefs about God and the bible...but I am discouraged by the pro CIers who are atheists trying to use God in their posts as far as saying that deafness is a negative thing. That is manipulative and inappropriate. Where do these people get off bringing up God in their posts while not even believing in him? Especially Cloggy and Boult. They are very sacrilegious in this way. Now you understand why I strongly feel that CI plants purposely used negative comments about our deafness this is very evil and I cannot respect that. Thats is how they make the big $$$$$bucks$$$$. They dont care about the Deaf children or parents only the money their insurance companies are going to pay for the CI procedure.
Heavies from politics are shouting the message to businesses to be more marketable to make profits rise.
I know many hearing people do not know about us deaf people who can do anything except hear and the purpose of our deaf culture. We Deaf people and Deaf leaders have tried / worked so hard to educate and help you understand deaf issues...but to no avail because audist people destroyed the image of our deaf community and the people in it. They have all kinds of money and power. Thats an evil thing like a cult like CI corporations.
DEAF CHILDREN ARE BEING DESTROYED because they arent "good enough" for you. Where is the faith?
Sweetmind
The reason is that everybody knows that they have to love themselves first before anyone else. So therefore why do you want to destroy Deaf children s true identity from the start with your very negative views about deafness? You have no right to cross anyone s boundaries, that is our Deaf rights.
Deaf children are able without DEVICES. Thats all there is to it. How many different ways must it be said before you understand?????
No wonder Deaf children have issues with emotional and mental abuse every single day that we are struggling to adapt into a hearing child, that is not right. Once you are deaf that is that. PERIOD! No one can fix our deafness so they should not be destroying our Deaf children 's residual hearing because doctors are not experts on deafness, it cannot be fixed. PERIOD!
How dare you think Audism people know everything about our deafness while you dont know what about ASL or what it is like to be deaf from the start in many ways because you pretend to be hearing and do not know the truth after you got so much influence by them. Do they respect you for who you are? You hate yourself and make other people hate our strong point of view about our Adaptation and true language that works for us to combine with BI and BI language. It is so amazing it works for their deaf and hearing children that I have seen. We are bit different from you with our Deafness and feel many things that we depend on adaptations that is very healthy. As for my hearing children that I respect their true identity as well as I accepted that since they were born. I taught them first language of ASL and deaf culture so that they can adapt to accept all kind of miniority people in this diverse world. So therefore Deaf children have the right to be part of this diverse world, and not hearing world only. Audist people keep trying to change us Deaf people and end up giving us a negative view of ourselves and cause mental and emotional problems.
They do this for hearing peoples sakes but it will not change us or how we feel about being deaf as is. I don't appreciate how some people are always trying to change us..they should walk in our shoes for a little while and then maybe they will have new found respect for the Deaf culture. They cannot change my mind..all that many deaf people have experienced in our life abuse by some people..they will never forget. Therefore deaf people have the ultimate right to be part of the diverse world that we exist in. You cant handle it. Some of you never learned ASL or were involved in deaf culture therefore you have no right to comment negatively, or be destructive. Also, some of you have no good faith in yourselves for being deaf and shouldnt be negative about yourselves. ASL and oralist extremists affect our deaf community for no reason. Some CI radicals are negative and think that WE are the failures but in all actuality they are. Two groups against us but we are strong and believe in ourselves against all odds because we can do anything except hear if you'll let us.
Another thing.... many people are under the impression that ASL is the reason why some of us cannot write english but it is because we were forced to lipread and listen with devices that set us back in our literacy. That is the whole reason. Now you can understand why devices Do NOT help us hear in many ways. Also SEE doesnt help us either because it is a gutter language. People dont even know how to commmunicate with us or understand us or our deaf thinking that is different from you.
The funny thing is.. My eyes tell me that many Deaf parents have no problem with hearing children even their friends because they are more open and being themselves. They think it s wonderful to use our hands and willing to learn / understand our Deaf cultures in different countries that is what they have in their true language that is somewhat part of ASL .. It was so amazing that combines with all kind of Deaf languages that fits into. It is such a beautiful language that we have in our hands that is our gifted communication that is very important for us to have our one true language that combines with Signed English for us to have a very successful literacy. It s all about SIGNS, READING, CREATIVE THINKING, and WRITING that we depends on our eyes (visual) , brain that fits our deafness without having any interference in our learning process. I want it back where it started from and when it was very successful.
While Hearing parents have been struggling with their Deaf children that are sign impaired and nelgect their importance of healthy emotional and mental issues. DEaf children should be allowed to be happy or adapt their own ways, not by hearing s ways. It doesn't make sense to have deaf kids be conformed into hearing individuals after all the never ending problems. And for Deaf oralists who complain that they cant communicate and feel bad for themselves so they turn into wanna be hearing people after all they don't feel good about themselves...What's up with that? It just doesn't make sense...this is a serious problem.
Also I would like to say that I am not strongly religious and dont believe in pushing religion on others or destroying their personal beliefs about God and the bible...but I am discouraged by the pro CIers who are atheists trying to use God in their posts as far as saying that deafness is a negative thing. That is manipulative and inappropriate. Where do these people get off bringing up God in their posts while not even believing in him? Especially Cloggy and Boult. They are very sacrilegious in this way. Now you understand why I strongly feel that CI plants purposely used negative comments about our deafness this is very evil and I cannot respect that. Thats is how they make the big $$$$$bucks$$$$. They dont care about the Deaf children or parents only the money their insurance companies are going to pay for the CI procedure.
Heavies from politics are shouting the message to businesses to be more marketable to make profits rise.
I know many hearing people do not know about us deaf people who can do anything except hear and the purpose of our deaf culture. We Deaf people and Deaf leaders have tried / worked so hard to educate and help you understand deaf issues...but to no avail because audist people destroyed the image of our deaf community and the people in it. They have all kinds of money and power. Thats an evil thing like a cult like CI corporations.
DEAF CHILDREN ARE BEING DESTROYED because they arent "good enough" for you. Where is the faith?
Sweetmind
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Sweetmind said:First of all I like to say that I have had said more than three times that I would appreciate not discussing CI issues only in this topic because it has nothing to do with it . The topic is about ALL Devices and how they do not help us to hear everything. I wont waste my time, money, and/or energy to conform deaf children into hearing children that u are wishing for. I dont appreciate this kind of audist attitude at all.
The reason is that everybody knows that they have to love themselves first before anyone else. So therefore why do you want to destroy Deaf children s true identity from the start with your very negative views about deafness? You have no right to cross anyone s boundaries, that is our Deaf rights.
Deaf children are able without DEVICES. Thats all there is to it. How many different ways must it be said before you understand?????
No wonder Deaf children have issues with emotional and mental abuse every single day that we are struggling to adapt into a hearing child, that is not right. Once you are deaf that is that. PERIOD! No one can fix our deafness so they should not be destroying our Deaf children 's residual hearing because doctors are not experts on deafness, it cannot be fixed. PERIOD!
How dare you think Audism people know everything about our deafness while you dont know what about ASL or what it is like to be deaf from the start in many ways because you pretend to be hearing and do not know the truth after you got so much influence by them. Do they respect you for who you are? You hate yourself and make other people hate our strong point of view about our Adaptation and true language that works for us to combine with BI and BI language. It is so amazing it works for their deaf and hearing children that I have seen. We are bit different from you with our Deafness and feel many things that we depend on adaptations that is very healthy. As for my hearing children that I respect their true identity as well as I accepted that since they were born. I taught them first language of ASL and deaf culture so that they can adapt to accept all kind of miniority people in this diverse world. So therefore Deaf children have the right to be part of this diverse world, and not hearing world only. Audist people keep trying to change us Deaf people and end up giving us a negative view of ourselves and cause mental and emotional problems.
They do this for hearing peoples sakes but it will not change us or how we feel about being deaf as is. I don't appreciate how some people are always trying to change us..they should walk in our shoes for a little while and then maybe they will have new found respect for the Deaf culture. They cannot change my mind..all that many deaf people have experienced in our life abuse by some people..they will never forget. Therefore deaf people have the ultimate right to be part of the diverse world that we exist in. You cant handle it. Some of you never learned ASL or were involved in deaf culture therefore you have no right to comment negatively, or be destructive. Also, some of you have no good faith in yourselves for being deaf and shouldnt be negative about yourselves. ASL and oralist extremists affect our deaf community for no reason. Some CI radicals are negative and think that WE are the failures but in all actuality they are. Two groups against us but we are strong and believe in ourselves against all odds because we can do anything except hear if you'll let us.
Another thing.... many people are under the impression that ASL is the reason why some of us cannot write english but it is because we were forced to lipread and listen with devices that set us back in our literacy. That is the whole reason. Now you can understand why devices Do NOT help us hear in many ways. Also SEE doesnt help us either because it is a gutter language. People dont even know how to commmunicate with us or understand us or our deaf thinking that is different from you.
The funny thing is.. My eyes tell me that many Deaf parents have no problem with hearing children even their friends because they are more open and being themselves. They think it s wonderful to use our hands and willing to learn / understand our Deaf cultures in different countries that is what they have in their true language that is somewhat part of ASL .. It was so amazing that combines with all kind of Deaf languages that fits into. It is such a beautiful language that we have in our hands that is our gifted communication that is very important for us to have our one true language that combines with Signed English for us to have a very successful literacy. It s all about SIGNS, READING, CREATIVE THINKING, and WRITING that we depends on our eyes (visual) , brain that fits our deafness without having any interference in our learning process. I want it back where it started from and when it was very successful.
While Hearing parents have been struggling with their Deaf children that are sign impaired and nelgect their importance of healthy emotional and mental issues. DEaf children should be allowed to be happy or adapt their own ways, not by hearing s ways. It doesn't make sense to have deaf kids be conformed into hearing individuals after all the never ending problems. And for Deaf oralists who complain that they cant communicate and feel bad for themselves so they turn into wanna be hearing people after all they don't feel good about themselves...What's up with that? It just doesn't make sense...this is a serious problem.
Also I would like to say that I am not strongly religious and dont believe in pushing religion on others or destroying their personal beliefs about God and the bible...but I am discouraged by the pro CIers who are atheists trying to use God in their posts as far as saying that deafness is a negative thing. That is manipulative and inappropriate. Where do these people get off bringing up God in their posts while not even believing in him? Especially Cloggy and Boult. They are very sacrilegious in this way. Now you understand why I strongly feel that CI plants purposely used negative comments about our deafness this is very evil and I cannot respect that. Thats is how they make the big $$$$$bucks$$$$. They dont care about the Deaf children or parents only the money their insurance companies are going to pay for the CI procedure.
Heavies from politics are shouting the message to businesses to be more marketable to make profits rise.
I know many hearing people do not know about us deaf people who can do anything except hear and the purpose of our deaf culture. We Deaf people and Deaf leaders have tried / worked so hard to educate and help you understand deaf issues...but to no avail because audist people destroyed the image of our deaf community and the people in it. They have all kinds of money and power. Thats an evil thing like a cult like CI corporations.
DEAF CHILDREN ARE BEING DESTROYED because they arent "good enough" for you. Where is the faith?
Sweetmind
You are RIGHT!!
I live in both "world" deaf or hearing.. I had no problem,,, I get along very well
Thanks!!
SxyPorkie
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OK..Sweetmind said:First of all I like to say that I have had said more than three times that I would appreciate not discussing CI issues only in this topic because it has nothing to do with it . The topic is about ALL Devices and how they do not help us to hear everything. I wont waste my time, money, and/or energy to conform deaf children into hearing children that u are wishing for. I dont appreciate this kind of audist attitude at all.
The reason is that everybody knows that they have to love themselves first before anyone else. So therefore why do you want to destroy Deaf children s true identity from the start with your very negative views about deafness? You have no right to cross anyone s boundaries, that is our Deaf rights.
Deaf children are able without DEVICES. Thats all there is to it. How many different ways must it be said before you understand?????
No wonder Deaf children have issues with emotional and mental abuse every single day that we are struggling to adapt into a hearing child, that is not right. Once you are deaf that is that. PERIOD! No one can fix our deafness so they should not be destroying our Deaf children 's residual hearing because doctors are not experts on deafness, it cannot be fixed. PERIOD!
How dare you think Audism people know everything about our deafness while you dont know what about ASL or what it is like to be deaf from the start in many ways because you pretend to be hearing and do not know the truth after you got so much influence by them. Do they respect you for who you are? You hate yourself and make other people hate our strong point of view about our Adaptation and true language that works for us to combine with BI and BI language. It is so amazing it works for their deaf and hearing children that I have seen. We are bit different from you with our Deafness and feel many things that we depend on adaptations that is very healthy. As for my hearing children that I respect their true identity as well as I accepted that since they were born. I taught them first language of ASL and deaf culture so that they can adapt to accept all kind of miniority people in this diverse world. So therefore Deaf children have the right to be part of this diverse world, and not hearing world only. Audist people keep trying to change us Deaf people and end up giving us a negative view of ourselves and cause mental and emotional problems.
They do this for hearing peoples sakes but it will not change us or how we feel about being deaf as is. I don't appreciate how some people are always trying to change us..they should walk in our shoes for a little while and then maybe they will have new found respect for the Deaf culture. They cannot change my mind..all that many deaf people have experienced in our life abuse by some people..they will never forget. Therefore deaf people have the ultimate right to be part of the diverse world that we exist in. You cant handle it. Some of you never learned ASL or were involved in deaf culture therefore you have no right to comment negatively, or be destructive. Also, some of you have no good faith in yourselves for being deaf and shouldnt be negative about yourselves. ASL and oralist extremists affect our deaf community for no reason. Some CI radicals are negative and think that WE are the failures but in all actuality they are. Two groups against us but we are strong and believe in ourselves against all odds because we can do anything except hear if you'll let us.
Another thing.... many people are under the impression that ASL is the reason why some of us cannot write english but it is because we were forced to lipread and listen with devices that set us back in our literacy. That is the whole reason. Now you can understand why devices Do NOT help us hear in many ways. Also SEE doesnt help us either because it is a gutter language. People dont even know how to commmunicate with us or understand us or our deaf thinking that is different from you.
The funny thing is.. My eyes tell me that many Deaf parents have no problem with hearing children even their friends because they are more open and being themselves. They think it s wonderful to use our hands and willing to learn / understand our Deaf cultures in different countries that is what they have in their true language that is somewhat part of ASL .. It was so amazing that combines with all kind of Deaf languages that fits into. It is such a beautiful language that we have in our hands that is our gifted communication that is very important for us to have our one true language that combines with Signed English for us to have a very successful literacy. It s all about SIGNS, READING, CREATIVE THINKING, and WRITING that we depends on our eyes (visual) , brain that fits our deafness without having any interference in our learning process. I want it back where it started from and when it was very successful.
While Hearing parents have been struggling with their Deaf children that are sign impaired and nelgect their importance of healthy emotional and mental issues. DEaf children should be allowed to be happy or adapt their own ways, not by hearing s ways. It doesn't make sense to have deaf kids be conformed into hearing individuals after all the never ending problems. And for Deaf oralists who complain that they cant communicate and feel bad for themselves so they turn into wanna be hearing people after all they don't feel good about themselves...What's up with that? It just doesn't make sense...this is a serious problem.
Also I would like to say that I am not strongly religious and dont believe in pushing religion on others or destroying their personal beliefs about God and the bible...but I am discouraged by the pro CIers who are atheists trying to use God in their posts as far as saying that deafness is a negative thing. That is manipulative and inappropriate. Where do these people get off bringing up God in their posts while not even believing in him? Especially Cloggy and Boult. They are very sacrilegious in this way. Now you understand why I strongly feel that CI plants purposely used negative comments about our deafness this is very evil and I cannot respect that. Thats is how they make the big $$$$$bucks$$$$. They dont care about the Deaf children or parents only the money their insurance companies are going to pay for the CI procedure.
Heavies from politics are shouting the message to businesses to be more marketable to make profits rise.
I know many hearing people do not know about us deaf people who can do anything except hear and the purpose of our deaf culture. We Deaf people and Deaf leaders have tried / worked so hard to educate and help you understand deaf issues...but to no avail because audist people destroyed the image of our deaf community and the people in it. They have all kinds of money and power. Thats an evil thing like a cult like CI corporations.
DEAF CHILDREN ARE BEING DESTROYED because they arent "good enough" for you. Where is the faith?
Sweetmind
But... you started bringing it up...
And now again....
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Good posting, Sweetmind. You have a lot of valid points there.
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Sweetmind said:
So it is about ALL devices... CI included.
And your statement is that "none of them help deaf children to hear everything". Which is not the intention of these devices. (As has allready been explained numerous times to you)
But Sweety...
Don't you think that after this topic went off-topic 1000 posts ago, it's a bit late to complain?
Plus, like SxyProkie explained... she told you about it around post 250 and you didn't care.
Why do you care now?.
Lotes of love - have to go.
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Nope, you were the one who brought cochlear implants up in this thread at post #3: http://alldeaf.com/showpost.php?p=517459&postcount=3Cloggy said:OK..
But... you started bringing it up...
And now again....
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My goodness what a sad whimp you are...gnulinuxman said:
OK... I'll humor you...
Read the start of the topic. Not the article, but what Sweety wrote after that... I'll put it here since I'm not sure you'l be able to find it:
The highlighting was done by me since with your reading skill, you would have trouble finding that as well.
Can we stop this kind of NONSENSE!
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Your English spelling is atrocious. I wasn't going to say anything about it until you attacked my reading skills.Cloggy said:
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Yeh, but I'm right. because that is the only comment you had!gnulinuxman said:
So we agree that:
Cloggy didn't start about CI in Sweetminds topic LIKE YOU SAID,
but that Sweetmind herself started it LIKE I SAID.
Sorry... just had to rub it in!
(Actually, I'm not sorry.)
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Cloggy said:Strange question...
You might mean.. "What is the difference between..." but that wouldn't make sense.
You might mean "What is the connection among..." but that would be weired as well.
So I'll just used the words.......
Sign Language is a language that consists and mostly depends on all the above. It needs at least one of the characteristics above in order to work.
Speech comes in different languages and has most of the characteristics mentioned above. It does not use fingerspelling. All the others are part of it in some degree but are not needed. Speech can - and is - often done without the above characteristics. (E.G. telephone)
Hope this satisfies your curiosity.
Pardon my typo.
Not really, you need to give me more explainations...
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