EVIDENCE of being deaf with Hearing Aid device

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SEE this how Deaf people do with music ;)

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002851068_deaf08.html



Wednesday, March 8, 2006 - Page updated at 07:20 AM


Keeping deaf fans rockin'
By Marc Ramirez
Seattle Times staff reporter



MARK HARRISON / THE SEATTLE TIMES
Music interpreter JoAnna Ball uses sign and body language to deliver the excitement of Monday's Bon Jovi concert at KeyArena.
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The flashing lights, the crowd's giddy energy. The 44-year-old man-boy himself, Jon Bon Jovi. Would Shannon Kennedy miss this, even if she could barely hear a thing? No way.

As Bon Jovi's band launched into a tirade of drum and guitar, Kennedy, deaf since age 2, nodded her coolly disheveled head to the beat, digital camera in hand. Garth Brooks, Shania Twain were more her style, but she couldn't wait to sing along with Bon Jovi's "Livin' On A Prayer" and "Wanted Dead or Alive."

Tonight, she would, with the help of JoAnna Ball, who stood, red ponytail silhouetted in darkness, on an 18-inch-high platform near Kennedy and son Elijah, 9.

Ball and others like Pam Parham, who also worked the show, are professional interpreters who help deaf fans experience the power of live concerts, positioned between those fans and the stage.

The craft is harder than it sounds: At its best, it's being prepared and knowledgeable enough to communicate the essence of an artist's lyrics over the actual words. By law, venues must provide interpreters upon request. And while local ticket sellers report just a handful of requests a year — typically for big-name events — it's been particularly busy for KeyArena, which has trotted out U2, McCartney and the Stones.

At Monday's show, Bon Jovi himself had yet to take the stage. The crowd rippled with anticipation. You could see it play out in Ball's face and hands, which bent and contorted as her body swayed to the music. With such help, "you feel like you're part of it," Kennedy says. "It's like when you go to the movies — if the movie is captioned, you can enjoy it with everyone else."

Finally, Bon Jovi slithered onstage through the crowd, whose excitement registered in Ball's face: She's the kind of interpreter Kennedy and others like — expressive, part of the action.

"I love to see the interpreter put some passion into the song, not just stare at me and interpret word for word," says Seattle biotech worker Ian Aranha, totally deaf since age 9.

For Aranha, the allure of live concerts is the amped-up bass, which is why he likes venues that put deaf patrons close to the speakers. "The vibrations we can pick up are great," he writes. "We can actually feel the music better than hearing people."

Ball, the interpreter, is a rapid-fire marionette, with a face meant for the stage — sharp chin, prominent cheekbones, operatic eyebrows. Her mouth simulated applause; her hands pulsed through the air to grace her forehead or touch against her cheek in can't-believe-it surprise.


Then: pointed finger to chest. "Shot through the heart," is what the crowd heard, and what Kennedy saw, as "You Give Love A Bad Name" began. Before long, Kennedy was singing along, fist joyously pounding the air.
American Sign Language (ASL) is all about expression; it's visual, so even mellow music can produce facial fireworks. No formal training program exists for live-music interpretation, so practitioners learn by watching others and working with ASL coaches.

Ball, who has done shows by U2, Nelly and Gwen Stefani, began concert work as a grad student in Washington, D.C., where she got a job with an agency fielding numerous concert requests. One day the call came for someone to interpret for alt-electronic band Garbage, and she was the only one to respond.

"Ecstatically," she says. "No one else knew who they were."

Requests are usually made when tickets are purchased. Vendors forward those requests to venues, who in turn contact freelance or agency interpreters, ideally with enough advance notice to allow for often lengthy preparation. Professional interpreters' fees, which range between $300 and $400 in Seattle, are billed to the tour.

"Everything's metaphor and poetry," says Parham, whose 12-year résumé includes Sting, Annie Lennox, even the Wiggles. "You can't just go in there and expect to do that."

The biggest challenge, Ball says, is getting inside the artist's head. Some U2 lyrics, for instance, could be taken to involve religion, sex or drugs, all in the same song.

"When I interpret," she says, "it's my interpretation. In ASL, you really need a story line. I can make it look pretty, but like when people hear music, it really has a deeper meaning for them."

In other words, a straight-ahead, blue-collar rocker like Bon Jovi is way easier to interpret than Beck, who tosses his cryptic poetry in a sandbox of sounds. "There's no such thing as rhyming in ASL," Ball says.

Interpreters spend up to 30 hours on these shows, first familiarizing themselves with an artist's music. They buy CDs, find lyrics and study fan sites, blogs and other sources to see what they can discern about songs' meanings. Some hire ASL coaches who help them dissect lines — an expense that very few venues will fund separately.

Ball says dance-oriented shows like Madonna's, which she has done twice, are easy to prep for because sets, available on the Web after the first show, won't alter much. Other times you'll rehearse songs that never show up on set lists. "You just do the best you can," Ball says.

Audiences love spontaneity. Interpreters, not so much. Ball recalls her worst experience, a 1999 Dave Matthews show, when it started raining and the band decided to play every song it knew about rain.

"I'll never interpret for them again," she vows. "They had a lot of famous, radio-played songs and never played them."

Other times interpreters find the zone. Ball once did a show for the alt-rock band Offspring, and even though she got no set list beforehand, "people said I was having an out-of-body experience. I was ready. I knew every song they played. It's basically just luck."

When people ask her why she likes music, ASL coach AJ Granda, who is deaf, still doesn't have a clear answer. The vibrations, maybe. Live shows take it to another level — it's about energy, commotion, even smells.

"Everyone is excited, waiting for the performer to come onstage," she says. "You can feel that energy in the air. ... You don't have to be hearing to enjoy that experience."

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We do not miss anything without devices if you can handle it. ;)
 
You can still have a great experience without devices. But I gather that having interpreters there helps a lot.
 
Cloggy, that Harlan Lane quote came from his book, The Mask of Benevolence.
 
But Sweetmind that is like sending an article about people having fun playing wheelchair basketball to disabled people and telling them that they don't need anything to help them further with mobility in life outside of the game!

I saw that article simply as showing ASL users having fun at a concert, that's all. I'm glad they had a great time that night. However it still doesn't address all the issues of every day life that deaf people have to face in employment, day to day contact with the hearing world etc etc.
 
Having a signed version of Bon Jovi's music is just like reading the KJV Holy Bible rather than reading the Holy Bible in the original language.

It's just a translation of the real thing. :scatter:
 
Fragmenter said:
Having a signed version of Bon Jovi's music is just like reading the KJV Holy Bible rather than reading the Holy Bible in the original language.

It's just a translation of the real thing. :scatter:
I didn't know you were fluent in Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek...
 
R2D2 said:
But Sweetmind that is like sending an article about people having fun playing wheelchair basketball to disabled people and telling them that they don't need anything to help them further with mobility in life outside of the game!

I saw that article simply as showing ASL users having fun at a concert, that's all. I'm glad they had a great time that night. However it still doesn't address all the issues of every day life that deaf people have to face in employment, day to day contact with the hearing world etc etc.
Well, many people disagreed with you right there--they were talking about how big music was and how that's a reason to get a cochlear implant, somewhere towards the beginning of this very thread.

That's why she brought it up.
 
gnulinuxman said:
:gpost: Evidence right there that even Deaf people love music and enjoy it without hearing aids or cochlear implants! :mrgreen:

Deaf people who sign only already could enjoy music to a limited degree - you have signing choirs and deaf people can dance to music with a strong beat for example. It's not a big deal. But it is that - limited. Some people enjoy listening to instrumental pieces for example. Music is more than just lyrics.

Not that I'm musical nor am I getting a CI for music appreciation. I'm getting a CI so that I can function better in my world and also be a part of my daughter's world. For example - just now I was trying to help her out with a computer game that talks, but I can't figure out what it's saying!
I also want to be able to hear her and daddy singing "Old Macdonald had a farm" together. I want to be able to hear her play musical pieces if she chooses to learn the piano in future, which is likely as daddy is keen. Not because I'm some music conoisseur but because it's something my daughter created and I want to be part of that.

What's so wrong about using a device to enable that? :dunno:
 
gnulinuxman said:
Well, many people disagreed with you right there--they were talking about how big music was and how that's a reason to get a cochlear implant, somewhere towards the beginning of this very thread.

That's why she brought it up.

But again their points are still valid because music is more than just lyrics. I cannot speak for them about the aspects of music that they particularly enjoy but if it's the actual sounds then why shouldn't they use a device to enjoy that? :dunno: Instrumental pieces come to mind.

Music has many expressions and mediums. A music lover who wants to experience more of those mediums may find a CI will allow them to do it.
 
R2D2 said:
Deaf people who sign only already could enjoy music to a limited degree - you have signing choirs and deaf people can dance to music with a strong beat for example. It's not a big deal. But it is that - limited. Some people enjoy listening to instrumental pieces for example. Music is more than just lyrics.

Not that I'm musical nor am I getting a CI for music appreciation. I'm getting a CI so that I can function better in my world and also be a part of my daughter's world. For example - just now I was trying to help her out with a computer game that talks, but I can't figure out what it's saying!
I also want to be able to hear her and daddy singing "Old Macdonald had a farm" together. I want to be able to hear her play musical pieces if she chooses to learn the piano in future, which is likely as daddy is keen. Not because I'm some music conoisseur but because it's something my daughter created and I want to be part of that.

What's so wrong about using a device to enable that? :dunno:


Ain't nothing wrong with that! I spend lots of time with my little neice, and I like to be able to hear her sweet voice and understand it, and we both play lots of puter games and I never understand what the game saying lol. Best of luck again.......
 
gnulinuxman said:
Well, many people disagreed with you right there--they were talking about how big music was and how that's a reason to get a cochlear implant, somewhere towards the beginning of this very thread.

That's why she brought it up.


I LOVE music but its not the reason I got my CI. It IS an amazing thing though but its not the reason.
 
gnulinuxman said:
When did I say it was wrong? :dunno:

Well of course you never said it's wrong. Sweetmind's message (which you appear to agree with) is that people without hearing aids and CIs are not missing anything musicwise. I'm disagreeing with that.
 
gnulinuxman said:
Tell that to Cloggy!

why should I tell that to Cloggy? He and I have spoken extensively here and in emails about his daughter. I know his reasons for wanting her implanted and music is NOT the most importnt one - its just a perk. Her being able to fully communicate with both the deaf and hearing world, speak etc is his highest priority - all you have to do is read his many posts about Lottie to know that ;)
 
Deaf can only feel the beat from the music but nuthin more than that anything else with a vocal singer.

Deaf ppl are more like sardine can only lives in underwater very different separated from ppl outside of the world.
 
This is a bit late in the thread, but I think it's important to mention. Sweetmind: the ASL you mentioned in two posts upthread (titled "Deaf Education" and "Deaf Sports vs. Hearing Sports") does not stand for American Sign Language. It's the American School in London - my mom taught there for several years; I'm named after one of her students. They don't sign, and they aren't a school for the deaf. The primary "audience" is American children whose parents are diplomats (and sometimes military) or are otherwise stationed in London by the government. They do accept students from other nations, but that's their primary focus. Schools similar to this exist all over the world, and in many countries, provide a place for American and other children to meet and learn about each other's cultures. The Kennedy School in Berlin is another good example of this (my mom taught there, too). They do bi-bi (bicultural/bilingual) education - in English and German.
 
ismi said:
This is a bit late in the thread, but I think it's important to mention. Sweetmind: the ASL you mentioned in two posts upthread (titled "Deaf Education" and "Deaf Sports vs. Hearing Sports") does not stand for American Sign Language. It's the American School in London - my mom taught there for several years; I'm named after one of her students. They don't sign, and they aren't a school for the deaf. The primary "audience" is American children whose parents are diplomats (and sometimes military) or are otherwise stationed in London by the government. They do accept students from other nations, but that's their primary focus. Schools similar to this exist all over the world, and in many countries, provide a place for American and other children to meet and learn about each other's cultures. The Kennedy School in Berlin is another good example of this (my mom taught there, too). They do bi-bi (bicultural/bilingual) education - in English and German.


Yes, I notice we have many bicultural/bilingual education for deaf, HOH and CI children here in Germany.
 
Liebling:-))) said:
Yes, I notice we have many bicultural/bilingual education for deaf, HOH and CI children here in Germany.

The Kennedy School doesn't do that. While they do bi-bi education, it has nothing to do with deaf/HOH or signing.
 
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