EVIDENCE of being deaf with Hearing Aid device

[Fragmenter]

Um, is this enough?

I know everybody has thrown their best punches and kicks in this thread...

We have to agree to disagree and be glad that deaf people can think for themselves.

Can we shake hands on an interesting, 21 pages long debate and say that we all vented and now we feel better spilling our guts for all to see?

 

[Eve]

I, for one, am happy to agree to disagree. *all singing kumbaya off-key*

 

[gnulinuxman]

OK, I agree to disagree too.

The only problem I had with it was the personal attacks.

 

[sr171soars]

Slowly entering a barely hanging door and walking past debris scattered here and there. Trying to make sense of the mess all around. Windows broken, picture frames shattered, smoke rising from the TV and smashed too, furniture ripped up and in pieces, lamps knocked down and crushed...looks like a scene from twilight zone...a place best forgotten. A cold wind blows softly in and one shivers and yet the scene is riveting. One can't stop looking and wonder what happened here...

My thoughts keep repeating over and over like a mantra "Dust in the wind, All we are is dust in the wind..."

 

[Fragmenter]

OK, I agree to disagree too.

The only problem I had with it was the personal attacks.

Cool. I didn't appreciate the personal attacks on my parenting either.

 

[Sweetmind]

I find this is odd strange I have been noticed we do have a huge problem with audism people and oral method rules that caused the problem for Deaf community that you dont have any respect for Deaf chlidren s generation true identity and American Sign Language that we Deaf community fought so hard since Alexander G.Bell took over native sign language as revolved into American Sign Language that Laurent Clerc from France who was a First Deaf teacher that taught Native sign language and Signed English in a big time. He learned English langauge from Thomas Gallaudet who did appointed him to be the first Deaf teacher in American School for the Deaf.
Now See they worked together to make the difference that is proven. I would love to tell the stories but you know the rest of it. Where are these Deaf teachers nowadays?? Not many!! Too much sticky with political issue from this society.

Now it s proven there is a very serious problem that is still go on and on and on since they look at one side of orally speaking only and spoken language that relates to SEE or CUED SPEECH or others that is the artificial languages as always. Why destroy our ASL from the start that works for us all. That is not necessary for Hearing people took over our Deaf Education that they have no knowledge of our Deafness/Deaf culture/ASL itself. They kept push and push us to have those devices so Can you see most of Deaf people dont hear everything? Can you see many Deaf children are lost without ASL? Can you see many Deaf people 's battle because of their perceptive of negative term Deaf.

Deaf is no good. ASL is no good. Deaf cant cant cant. Deaf must do what people want them to do in their hearing ways. So what is that all about? Dont you realize it works for Deaf children to gain their intellectual skills and social skills from the beginning of life? Give them a chance and be ourselves as a Deaf people.. Why cant we being ourselves from the start? it s always something that goes for hearing people before us Deaf people s need while it s our true language and Deaf languages from all over Deaf community in this Diversity World.

It has not solved any problem. Now you can see why many of us deafies couldnt hear everything with both devices. What does it have to force/ conform children to be a Hearing person that has not solved the problem.

Dont you get it! Deaf community did give our gifted appreciation to share our true languages that nowadays hearing people and the innocent Deaf people are taking it and want to communicate with us all along that is two way of street after all I m seeing and showing the evidence of audism attitudes behaviors toward me, deafies, and Deaf (deaf/hearing) Leaders that has not being stopped. So I just dont understand this anymore. If they cannot handle themselves by being deaf then why do they have to be here in Deaf community if they dont like it. We did not hold them back after all. Is that something??

Now I am really happy to see more and more people learn ASL and wants to interact with the Deaf people of Deaf Community. That's a UNITY in a Diversity World. I know it s very hard on you after all I pointed that out that is not happy stories all the time. I dont feel guilty to tell the whole truth because I want ATTITUDE to change for the better if you let it happens. New generation people are seeing the truth and dont want to be the one of those Austim people that I am looking forward to it. That's all to it!

Audism people keep on destroying our Deaf children and people of Deaf community that we are still battling our equal rights. Everything turns out very destructive power over a very stupid reason to force us that you want us to do for your sakes not for our sakes. ADA doesnt apply for the Deaf people in many ways. Thats why I pointed that out that we Deaf people 's equal rights to have American Sign Language.

Thats the truth of our Deafness that will never be solved. That's it! It s too much complication or having so much conflict interest from hearing person's control and power that is very negative audism people. It needs to be stopped using their excuses/lies about us and our deafness to make $$$$$ that belongs to Deaf community. That's all to it.

Also, I m disappointed that all those term of Deaf turned out the term of Hearing on any accessories/ necessities that turns me off. Hearing is not Deaf but we are the Deaf people of the Deaf community as always. Thats what I am seeing that they take take take and become rich that is not right to pretend they did for us, Deaf people. Thats belong to Deaf community that Deaf Inventors did in the past that make a big difference for today's that share with Hearing/Latened Deaf people.

I am so thankful to have Deaf community because we Deaf people want to be ourselves being deaf and use their hands to communicate anytime. It is still not acceptable of us being deaf that seems forever. It needs to be stop abuse that is old old news hasnt disappear yet. We want to prove that we can do it without depending on devices that will change the whole picture between Hearing and Deaf like Martha Vineyard. I believe that we can capable to speak as much as we can, in our choices, too

I think it s possible and will making the big difference. My point is that it s not necessary to change person for not who he/she is or have an Attitude toward Deaf people 's abilities.

If oralism were never exists, then it wont be a problem as I strongly believe because people are doing it for the money on purpose. Some people with a very positive attitude are educated for a good reason to help other to understand about us.

I thought we want to work together but we are not working for you and doing it for you. We Deaf people wants to work (with) you however we refused to work (for) you.

Thats what it s all about of having the Diversity World that all kind of people can live in altogether. Deaf people are people, no matter what!


Think hard and Think twice. I want you to see what 's wrong with this picture nowadays.


Thank you!
Sweetmind

 

[Fragmenter]

Huh? What?

 

[R2D2]

I didn't miss anything either.

 

[Bear]

If you dont' want to talk about CI's then why do you keep posting in the CI section of the forum? If you don't want people to reply to something you post - then why not put it on a blog or you own website where you can control who replies and who doesn't? There are many other areas of this website that you can post - if you don't want to talk about CI's then don't talk about them and don't post new topics in this area and expect people to stand by idly.

I've pointed out side effects, so has boult, cloggy, and several others. You ignored them, and yet you say we won't admit there are side effects.

Sorry to jump in here but the topic is actually about CI's or HA's, not one or the other exclusively, And in defense the topic thread does say evidence of being hearing with A HA and somehow the topic got twisted into a CI discussion.

 

[Bear]

Funny the Deaf has a tendency mooching off the government with SSI or SSDI

I take offense to that remark not all of us do that and you generalized way too far!. When are people going to learn that not all of us are like that and some of us do truly come from unusual situations.

Remember, when posting about SSI or SSDI there are some of us who truly isnt happy having to collect it. And when we see statements like this, it does offend us, and also makes us feel less about ourselves.

 

[Cloggy]

..... I want to stop people from thinking we can hear everything because we cannot...

Isn't it amazing.... no-one here ever said that you can hear. We agree that you cannot hear. Even you agree to that .

.I know some of you love to destroy my good topic as usual.......

350 plus posts on a topic is showing that the topic is far from destroyed.
It has more to do that you do not like the way the topic goes.
I have not seen a controversial topic that did not deviate from it's original subject.
And that's the way it should go in a discussion.

If you want a topic that "you own" then start a topic like "My experience with children with failed CI" and write down YOUR experiences.
Now when - in that topic - you would generalise how nowbody can hear, and they all fail, then you started to deviate from the topic, and information will flow in.

 

[Cloggy]

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Audism people keep on destroying our Deaf children and people of Deaf community that we are still battling our equal rights. ...................

That's what they do. Otherwise they would not be "Audism people"

I must say, I haven't seen any of them here.

If you get a chance, direct one to this website because the view of an audist would be very interesting.

 

[Fragmenter]

I take offense to that remark not all of us do that and you generalized way too far!. When are people going to learn that not all of us are like that and some of us do truly come from unusual situations.

Remember, when posting about SSI or SSDI there are some of us who truly isnt happy having to collect it. And when we see statements like this, it does offend us, and also makes us feel less about ourselves.

I'm sorry. I made a bad point but it was a counterpoint to her bad point.

I've read about your situation and you aren't one of the targets in my slam for sure.

 

[LinuxGold]

NONE OF YOUR CONCERNS if you mind EVE.. I want you and rest of you (who do not have any respect for me and many people) out of my topic NOW!

You people are being so freaking rude. Get a life! I have stated the fact to be shown already that you are still bashing me for nothing. You are having a real serious problem.

Scoffs!

Do you want me to clean this thread?

PM me and I will get back to you as soon as I possibly can.

 

[Fragmenter]

No, it doesn't need any cleaning up. Just put a lock on it since I made a few points I'd like to go back and read again.

Thank you.

 

[Audiofuzzy]

I find this is odd strange I have been noticed we do have a huge problem with audism people and oral method rules that caused the problem for Deaf community that you dont have any respect for Deaf chlidren s generation true identity and American Sign Language that we Deaf community fought so hard since Alexander G.Bell took over native sign language as revolved into American Sign Language that Laurent Clerc from France who was a First Deaf teacher that taught Native sign language and Signed English in a big time. He learned English langauge from Thomas Gallaudet who did appointed him to be the first Deaf teacher in American School for the Deaf.

What in the world are you trying to say?? I was falling half asleep already at the beginning. What's your point?
Every time somebody ask you a simple question like "have you tried to get CI for yourself" you come up with more lenghty slumbering texts about anything but what relates to the qqq..
Not to mention- what does it has to do with evidence of being deaf with HA? you yourself sabotage your own thread. Stop blaming others.

Fuzzy

 

[Bear]

I'm sorry. I made a bad point but it was a counterpoint to her bad point.

I've read about your situation and you aren't one of the targets in my slam for sure.

Thank you Fragmenter, its just that I see this generalization of ALL deaf and SSI or SSDI way way too much.

I just ask that when people post that they say SOME or I know some deaf this way. It breaks my heart when I see deaf tearing at each other like that over the SSI issue.

I know just as many hearing able bodied people that also take advantage of SSI.

I feel I am not the only one who gets upset when they see postings like this. Feelings do get hurt easily because there are way too many unique situations.

If it hadnt been for SSI being there both my mother and I would never have been able to live these past years. When her health forced her into quitting her job she was then forced to go on SSDI. This woman had chronic lung disease, kidney failure, congestive heart failure,diabetes, hypothyroidism, and chronic swelling in the legs. Without SSI or SSDI imagine what would have happened to us. Sadly, this all started for her while she was still in her 40's. Therefore no government assistance in paying for a home health nurse. She in no way wanted a nursing home as she could still talk to me and in fact did talk to me almost right up till the minute she died a little over a month ago. At that age I couldnt blame her for not wanting a nursing home. Government assistance for home health nurses around here anyways doesnt start till they are 60 she was 57 when she died.

Now I'm not trying to give a sob story here. Just a little experience on what people may feel when they read these generalizations. Imagine if someone like her was to read it? Of sound mind, just not body?

Sadly, the thing that allows me to go back to work is the one thing I could have lived with not happening for another 20 years. But it did, and not even a month later I was already looking for a job.

So, everyone please remember that story when you post about deaf being too lazy to work and taking advantage of the free SSI checks.

I was an only child. Who else was there for her?

 

[Fragmenter]

You will be blessed for being such a loving and caring daughter to your mother.

My post was created in jest and I apologize for that, again. I hope everything falls back into line in your life. Good luck!

 

[Sweetmind]

Now, I am very happy to see a Deaf University thats still standing up our strongest beliefs of ourselves with positive reinforcement. Also, it should not be changing at all after all we Deaf people are honored Laurent Clerc (Deaf) (First Deaf Teacher) and Thomas Gallaudet (Hearing) (Teacher).

Bravo for the Gallaudet students who are standing up and speak freely for our Equal Deaf Rights. No one can stop us anymore and allow us being ourselves and our hands to communicate with all kind of Diverse people.

The reason is that I would love to see a big new change of our Deaf Education that we Deaf students of High School /college could have Deaf languages from Deaf communities in every country to get into Deaf Foreign Languages. In my opinion, it would be nice to have more Deaf Teachers from other countries they could be our Deaf Teachers in Deaf Education. So we could have equal rights to have this higher standard of Deaf foreign Languages in our America.


Also, we ll have Deaf teacher with the full knowledge of Deaf languages and Deaf culture/community that would give the Deaf children and people great benefits. It would be very excellence opportunity for all of us to have in our Deaf generations.

So that way we can recognize that we are deaf with or without devices and our hands to communicate freely without any more struggle.

People need to know the facts and truth that we are not capable to hear everything with devices that we must face the Deaf reality.. So please allow Deaf people with a failure CI deaf or CI deaf and with a failure HA or HA and Deaf with no devices as well with their hands to use that they couldnt help being incapable to speak or hear. So thats why I feel it s pretty much fair treatment for them as well. No more oral rules only or artificial languages. Thanks!

American Sign Language, Signed English, and also oral speaking by choice.

Also, I like to say to some people with audist attitudes have no right to be rude/ bigotry/ oppression/discrimination/ second class citizen toward any deafies because of their coldheart.They need to stop thinking of themselves too much. And also, I dont appreciate your trying so hard to prevent me from having my own topic to share with many people without any trashy into it. You are not helping at all since you are hurting those Deaf children very much that can be very harm with their own mental and emotional issues all along. Guess what, you people are abusing our Deaf chlldren as well as you are abusing to yourself that is sad..


So anyway, I would love to see things change for the better and make a big difference for Deaf children and Muitiple Disabilities. MD should not be left alone or put them isolated all those years without us Deaf people.

The reason is that I have seen and worked with low functional Deaf students who was transferred from other Deaf school that is for all kind of disabilities. This student came into different Deaf school and have learned so much with communication skills that is how she mingled with other any Deaf students. I know she can do some things that she can have a life too. I do really love to work with them and had a great time to be with them. I miss them dearly and always in my thoughts. It s too bad I couldnt work with them anymore and their loss for not having me to work there.

Thats when it touches my heart that I strongly believe that muiltiple Deaf students should be involved with all of us. Thats intellectual skills and social motor skills.. We could help to teach them to learn the basic life and other things that they can enjoy without being so miserable. It was a real nice to work with them. I love them with all my heart that will never forget them for a long time. I am hoping that I can come and see them on graduation day. I know they will jump out and run toward me.. And I will receive their warm affectionate hugs. Thats why my philosophies are different from yours.

Thank you!
Sweetmind

 

[Audiofuzzy]

Guess what, you people are abusing our Deaf chlldren as well as you are abusing to yourself that is sad..

Who exactly are you talking about Sweetmind?
BTW Do you feel like you are being followed?


Fuzzy