doctors cannot ask about guns

[Jiro]

And I am not the one who is stuck in a hamster wheel.

no you're not because I placed you in hamster ball and Frisky Feline is playing with you.

 

[jillio]

You're missing one more sentence.

and I copy n' paste for you: death of children caused by abusive parents & bullies is a pretty dang big problem.

And deaths of children caused by abusive parents does not reach the numbers of children who die as the result of firearms. Likewise, most those that succumb to the stresses of bullying do not do so at the hands of the bully, but as the result of suicide. And a suicide by firearm is not possible if the kid does not have a firearm availale.

So, because you recognize the existence of child abuse as a problem it mitigates the fact that you said that death of kids by firemarms is a small problem? Don't think so, my friend.

 

[somedeafdudefromPNW]

It would be easier for Jiro to move to Wyoming. The amount of hours he put into keeping up these gun control debates can easily purchase him a plot of land out there. Unless he's too busy being a guido?

 

[jillio]

It would be easier for Jiro to move to Wyoming. The amount of hours he put into keeping up these gun control debates can easily purchase him a plot of land out there. Unless he's too busy being a guido?

Good idea. Jiro a guido? I have trouble seeing that.

 

[Jiro]

Then why don't you support the efforts of the medical profession to do something about it? Simple. Cuz you have some paranoid idea that it will somehow interfere with your right to own a gun.

I already did. I said - tell us, not ask us. Give us pamphlet or contact information to somebody more qualified (such as local police officer) to educate us on gun safety.

and no I am not paranoid about interference with my gun rights. I am simply defending a very concept of our Constitutional rights. Sorry but you'll have to come up with a better way to promote it and I just offered it to you. See above. I can't imagine why would you have a problem with "tell us, don't ask us" policy.

 

[somedeafdudefromPNW]

Good idea. Jiro a guido? I have trouble seeing that.

Yeah, because everyone's after Snooki these day.

 

[Jiro]

It would be easier for Jiro to move to Wyoming. The amount of hours he put into keeping up these gun control debates can easily purchase him a plot of land out there. Unless he's too busy being a guido?

why? Wyoming has a good common sense. NJ and NY don't

 

[jillio]

I already did. I said - tell us, not ask us. Give us pamphlet or contact information to somebody more qualified (such as local police officer) to educate us on gun safety.

and no I am not paranoid about interference with my gun rights. I am simply defending a very concept of our Constitutional rights. Sorry but you'll have to come up with a better way to promote it and I just offered it to you. See above. I can't imagine why would you have a problem with "tell us, don't ask us" policy.

So, you don't support the efforts of the medical establishment to reduce the number of deaths of children by firearms. Fine. Then your statement that kids dying from guns is a small problem is justified. You just aren't worried about it and do not support measures to correct it.

I think your paranoia about the state police finding out you were a gun owner by accessing your medical records says differently.

Can't have it both ways, Jiro.

 

[Jiro]

And deaths of children caused by abusive parents does not reach the numbers of children who die as the result of firearms. Likewise, most those that succumb to the stresses of bullying do not do so at the hands of the bully, but as the result of suicide. And a suicide by firearm is not possible if the kid does not have a firearm availale.

So, because you recognize the existence of child abuse as a problem it mitigates the fact that you said that death of kids by firemarms is a small problem? Don't think so, my friend.

then we should do something about abusive issue because it's the easiest way to tackle a whole problem.

Focusing on gun does not solve problem.

 

[jillio]

then we should do something about abusive issue because it's the easiest way to tackle a whole problem.
Nope. Abusive issues have nothing to do with the number of deaths by guns of children And the medical establishment is very involved in child abuse issues..

Focusing on gun does not solve problem.

It solves the problem of kids dying from firearms.

 

[Jiro]

So, you don't support the efforts of the medical establishment to reduce the number of deaths of children by firearms. Fine. Then your statement that kids dying from guns is a small problem is justified. You just aren't worried about it and do not support measures to correct it.

I think your paranoia about the state police finding out you were a gun owner by accessing your medical records says differently.

Can't have it both ways, Jiro.

damn! I forgot to lock your hamster wheel.

Can you explain to me which part in my previous post you do not understand?

I already did. I said - tell us, not ask us. Give us pamphlet or contact information to somebody more qualified (such as local police officer) to educate us on gun safety.

How is it that "tell us, not ask us" policy is not as effective as "ask us" policy? What's the problem with "tell us, not ask us" policy?

 

[jillio]

damn! I forgot to lock your hamster wheel.

Can you explain to me which part in my previous post you do not understand?


How is it that "tell us, not ask us" policy is not as effective as "ask us" policy? What's the problem with "tell us, not ask us" policy?

You need to do a little studying on the effectiveness of different communication types, and then your question will be answered.
Where are the parents who are speaking out against being asked this question? I've seen maybe one example. It is the NRA that pushed this one, and backed it financially. Personally, I don't think the NRA has any business attempting to decide what is appropriate for a doctor to ask and not ask.

 

[Jiro]

You need to do a little studying on the effectiveness of different communication types, and then your question will be answered.

I believe my communication type is pretty clear and straightforward. I asked a simple question and what did I get in return? a complicated answer and it's not even an answer to my simple question.

There are numbers of complaints about your communication style so you might want to brush up on Communication 101 - when a person asks you a simple question, one should reply back with a simple answer.

So I'm asking you a simple question which requires only a simple yes/no answer - Do you have a problem with "tell us, not ask us" policy?

 

[Jiro]

You need to do a little studying on the effectiveness of different communication types, and then your question will be answered.
Where are the parents who are speaking out against being asked this question? I've seen maybe one example. It is the NRA that pushed this one, and backed it financially. Personally, I don't think the NRA has any business attempting to decide what is appropriate for a doctor to ask and not ask.

and I think it is unnecessary for a doctor to ask and mark it in his file.

a very simple solution to this problem - tell us, don't ask us. Have gun safety pamphlets and posters available at waiting room. Give us a card for contact information to learn more about gun safety. no problem. I am in 100% support of this policy. Do you agree with this?

 

[jillio]

I believe my communication type is pretty clear and straightforward. I asked a simple question and what did I get in return? a complicated answer and it's not even an answer to my simple question.

There are numbers of complaints about your communication style so you might want to brush up on Communication 101 - when a person asks you a simple question, one should reply back with a simple answer.

So I'm asking you a simple question which requires only a simple yes/no answer - Do you have a problem with "tell us, not ask us" policy?

Then you are functioning under very faulty beliefs. And I am talking about the form of communication that results in the greatest outcome. Asking someone and having them participate in the discussion is more likely to show positive outcome results than just telling them" "Hey, you need to be careful with guns. Got it?" People don't change the way they are doing things because they were told to. They change because they participated in a learning experience and concluded that it would be beneficial to change based on what they now know.

Yeah, I have a problem with it. Why? It will not lead to the desirable outcome, which is to get parents to change the way they are storing their firearms.

 

[Jiro]

Then you are functioning under very faulty beliefs. And I am talking about the form of communication that results in the greatest outcome. Asking someone and having them participate in the discussion is more likely to show positive outcome results than just telling them" "Hey, you need to be careful with guns. Got it?" People don't change the way they are doing things because they were told to. They change because they participated in a learning experience and concluded that it would be beneficial to change based on what they now know.

Yeah, I have a problem with it. Why? It will not lead to the desirable outcome, which is to get parents to change the way they are storing their firearms.

Do you have any studies or whatsoever to back that claim?

I'm having a great difficulty in understanding your answer. I suppose this mean our sex education course is useless. I suppose our condom & STD programs are useless. They don't go around asking people. They go around, telling people about it and I believe that is a very effective method.

 

[jillio]

and I think it is unnecessary for a doctor to ask and mark it in his file.

a very simple solution to this problem - tell us, don't ask us. Have gun safety pamphlets and posters available at waiting room. Give us a card for contact information to learn more about gun safety. no problem. I am in 100% support of this policy. Do you agree with this?

Yeah, I know. "Cuz you're afraid tnat some state trooper will hold the doctor and gunpoint and steal your records.

 

[jillio]

Do you have any studies or whatsoever to back that claim?

Yep. Simple Comms 101 textbooks, the numerous studies done on change and the way it is induced that are too numerous to mention but you could start with Prochaski's models Michaelbum's studies and strategies on change and the efficacy of partnership in change, you can start with those. And then move on to the number of studies done in the social psych arena on gaining cooperation.

 

[Jiro]

Yeah, I know. "Cuz you're afraid tnat some state trooper will hold the doctor and gunpoint and steal your records.

that's silly.

Like I said - I live in the most hostile, anti-gun state. In fact, just a river across is where NYC Mayor Bloomberg is a founder of Mayors Against Illegal Guns. He is nothing but a nuisance and headache since we all know he supports a complete gun ban. It is a known fact in here that NJ State Police and Police Chief will try to find any slightest reason to deny you of a gun rights.

Now that's not silly. The threat is real. very real. I don't expect you to understand that because you don't live in this state and you live in a very gun-friendly state so you're incapable of foreseeing any such problem.

 

[Jiro]

Yep. Simple Comms 101 textbooks, the numerous studies done on change and the way it is induced that are too numerous to mention but you could start with Prochaski's models Michaelbum's studies and strategies on change and the efficacy of partnership in change, you can start with those. And then move on to the number of studies done in the social psych arena on gaining cooperation.

so is that how you answer to a very simple question?