doctors cannot ask about guns

Status
Not open for further replies.
Instead, how about we just make it mandatory for gun owners to ask if the gun owner has kids?? :)

Jiro, you talk a lot about abused children as if children who were shot MUST have abused parents. This is no different than leaving your child in the backseat locked in a car because they forgot. I don't even understand what abusive parents have to do with gun safety. Anyway, frankly I don't care if they ask you or give you a pamphlet (btw kind of a waste of paper and money to give pamphlets to EVERYONE, including those who don't have guns). Wouldn't it make more sense if they asked "do you have guns or know anyone who do?" if yes then pamphlet (or info).

Btw I'm watching CNN and it says on the bottom "3 out of 4 Americans don't follow doctor's orders".......

passing that pamphlet out at gun shops rather than the Dr. Office might save some paper. Oh wait....they already do that.....so Drs are already wasting paper.

Dr: are you aware sir that guns fire bullets and bullets can make large holes that cause people to bleed or even DIE!

Gun owner: Duh
 
Whoa, more than 20 pages on this thread??? I am bemused. Is there something wrong with me when I think that a doctor has no business asking me if I have a gun at home? I would likely joke and say Nope, I have a nuke. Then what?
 
Yes but..... what's that got to do with banning doctors asking about guns?
none at all. I'm saying that a mark in file can influence Police Chief in deciding whether or not to issue you a firearm license.

I'm guessing you are worried that if a parent says that s/he does have a gun, s/he will automatically be labeled "child abuser".
no. not at all.

Don't you think that there are laws ALREADY IN PLACE to protect the parent? First AND Second amendment?
why more gun laws then?

By the way, I bet a lot of doctors already mentally label parents as child abusers based on observations, but they can't do jack squat about it due to no evidence.

I just find this banning SO frivolous and POINTLESS. I am willing to bet that if doctors are banned from asking about guns, there will be OTHER things they will be banned to ask. I just can't understand why they won't just refuse to answer?!?!?!

"Oh, people asking me about having guns makes me uncomfortable, and it makes me nervous so instead of stepping it up like a man and either answer truthfully or refuse to answer, I'd rather just go behind their backs and try to make it illegal."
lolity.
 
Whoa, more than 20 pages on this thread??? I am bemused. Is there something wrong with me when I think that a doctor has no business asking me if I have a gun at home? I would likely joke and say Nope, I have a nuke. Then what?

I also don't think a doctor has any business asking me if I have a gun, but...

A ____ has no business asking me if _______ .

You can use a million things to fill in those blanks..... I don't see the point in banning all of them!!

The REAL question is.... does the patient have the right to refuse ANY questions asked by the doctors (that does not pertain to the health of the patient) with no repercussions? I believe the answer is YES. If the answer is no, then do you really think banning doctors to ask questions SPECIFICALLY about guns is the right answer? There are other and more efficient ways to give patients this right.
 
I also don't think a doctor has any business asking me if I have a gun, but...

A ____ has no business asking me if _______ .

You can use a million things to fill in those blanks..... I don't see the point in banning all of them!!

The REAL question is.... does the patient have the right to refuse ANY questions asked by the doctors (that does not pertain to the health of the patient) with no repercussions? I believe the answer is YES. If the answer is no, then do you really think banning doctors to ask questions SPECIFICALLY about guns is the right answer? There are other and more efficient ways to give patients this right.

Hmmm, I think Reba posted a case where there WERE repercussions for a woman who did not reply to the good doc's query concerning her gun ownership. So there is precedence. It sounds rather simplistic, but the law will prevent that doctor from further mischief. :P
 
I also don't think a doctor has any business asking me if I have a gun, but...

A ____ has no business asking me if _______ .

You can use a million things to fill in those blanks..... I don't see the point in banning all of them!!

The REAL question is.... does the patient have the right to refuse ANY questions asked by the doctors (that does not pertain to the health of the patient) with no repercussions? I believe the answer is YES. If the answer is no, then do you really think banning doctors to ask questions SPECIFICALLY about guns is the right answer? There are other and more efficient ways to give patients this right.

right. there is other and more efficient ways to give this information patients... "Tell us, not ask us"
 
What if you answer with "well why dontcha draw your smoke wagon and find out, Pilgrim. Duh ha"
 
Whoa, more than 20 pages on this thread??? I am bemused. Is there something wrong with me when I think that a doctor has no business asking me if I have a gun at home? I would likely joke and say Nope, I have a nuke. Then what?
I would hope your doctor has a sense of humor or else someone's gonna drop a dime on ya.

j/k :lol:
 
Hmmm, I think Reba posted a case where there WERE repercussions for a woman who did not reply to the good doc's query concerning her gun ownership. So there is precedence. It sounds rather simplistic, but the law will prevent that doctor from further mischief. :P

Yes I saw that but.... that was an a-hole doctor who refused to give treatment, and it was resolved ANYWAY.

You honestly think that prevention of asking about guns will solve things? What if the kid makes small talk with the doctor and accidentally mentions that his dad has a gun? "How are you, kid?? How was your weekend?" "Great! Me and my daddy went out shooting. It was a lotta fun!!" The doctor can still refuse treatment. How does this possible law help that? This law is just really really inefficient to me.
 
"Tell us, not ask us" Policy - it is no different from employers asking a certain set of interview questions while abiding by discrimination law.

example:

What you can't ask: Are you a U.S. citizen?
What to ask instead: Are you authorized to work in the U.S.?

What you can't ask: What religion do you practice?
What to ask instead: What days are you available to work?

What you can't ask: Do you have or plan to have children?
What to ask instead: Are you available to work overtime on occasion? Can you travel?

and there are more examples found at 30 Interview Questions You Can't Ask and 30 Sneaky, Legal Alternatives to Get the Same Info

When doctors "tell us, not ask us".... we're more likely to engage in conversation.
 
It's not always that easy. People using government health care (Medicare, Medicaid, Tricare, VA) don't always get to pick and choose their doctors. Same for people in some insurance programs. Not to mention the delay and inconvenience that adds to getting medical service.

That's understandable, and in that case if, for some reason, you find a doctor who's an asshole... then you can sue him for all of the things you mentioned. The exact same situation could happen if I saw a doctor who decided not to treat me because I an unmarried and sexually active. That's an issue of someone being a bad doctor, not the questions being asked.

Owning a gun is a Constitutional right; seat belt use is not.

For that matter, why does a doctor need to know if you wear a seat belt? What does that help him diagnose? :dunno:

A doctor isn't going to somehow prevent you from owning a gun. I fail to see how there's a constitutionality issue with the situations whatsoever. In regards to the seat belt thing... honestly, I don't know, because I'm not a doctor. I could make uneducated guesses, but they'd honestly probably sound silly. The reasons for asking about gun ownership presented in this thread (ie to inform those who might not already know about gun safety around small children) seem entirely reasonable to me.

I prefer the printed material because usually there are so many different things being discussed during my doctor visits that I'm overwhelmed with information and might forget something. I'd rather have something that I can read in the quiet of my home later.

If I'm in a waiting room long enough, I usually read everything on the walls, and pick up the interesting topic pamphlets to take home. :lol:

Hah, well, I'm not saying that they shouldn't be allowed to have pamphlets at all. That's perfectly fine, maybe something along the lines of the NRA website link posted, with more details on more in-depth safety classes, too. That's fine. I don't see why it has to be only one, though.

none at all. I'm saying that a mark in file can influence Police Chief in deciding whether or not to issue you a firearm license.

Okay, walk me through your nightmare scenario, because it doesn't make any sense. You go to a doctor. You currently do not have a firearm license. The doctor asks if you own a gun, because you brought your kid in for a checkup. Since you don't have a license, presumably, you don't own a gun. If you do, it's an illegal weapon, and you're likely admitting to committing a crime, but the doctor doesn't know that, they just "mark it in your file". You later decide to go get a firearm license. If you don't already own a gun, there's no "mark in a file" anywhere indicating anything at all for them to go on. If you do already own a gun, then it's illegal due to not having a license, and while I don't see how the licensing bureau (or police or whoever gives those out) would get access to your child's full medical history, let's just say they magically get it (by stealing it or threatening you or whatever), then I would say that already owning an illegal weapon should count against you when applying for a license, just as having a police record for having gone on a joyride before even getting your temps would count against you when applying for a driver's license.

why more gun laws then?

I don't think anyone in this thread (well, maybe jillio, I mostly skimmed the middle 10 pages or so, :lol: ) is specifically advocating in favor of more gun laws. We're advocating against laws that make the topic of guns special and undiscussable.
 
Yes I saw that but.... that was an a-hole doctor who refused to give treatment, and it was resolved ANYWAY.

You honestly think that prevention of asking about guns will solve things? What if the kid makes small talk with the doctor and accidentally mentions that his dad has a gun? "How are you, kid?? How was your weekend?" "Great! Me and my daddy went out shooting. It was a lotta fun!!" The doctor can still refuse treatment. How does this possible law help that? This law is just really really inefficient to me.

Could ne inefficient, yeah, but...Suppose a doctor was just starting to examine a Libyan who speaks no English? To better facilitate communication, the doctor reaches under his uniform and pulls out a Smith and Wesson .45 pistol and shows it to the Libyan. Imagine the international uproar. :P
All kidding aside, I don't see what the big deal is. If a doctor has just cause to ask the question, this law won't stop him. JUST CAUSE. He ought not to willy-nilly ask if a person has a gun at home. That is so surreal and macabre.
 
"Tell us, not ask us" Policy - it is no different from employers asking a certain set of interview questions while abiding by discrimination law.

example:

What you can't ask: Are you a U.S. citizen?
What to ask instead: Are you authorized to work in the U.S.?

What you can't ask: What religion do you practice?
What to ask instead: What days are you available to work?

What you can't ask: Do you have or plan to have children?
What to ask instead: Are you available to work overtime on occasion? Can you travel?

and there are more examples found at 30 Interview Questions You Can't Ask and 30 Sneaky, Legal Alternatives to Get the Same Info

When doctors "tell us, not ask us".... we're more likely to engage in conversation.

Except you've been advocating against conversation entirely.
 
All kidding aside, I don't see what the big deal is. If a doctor has just cause to ask the question, this law won't stop him. JUST CAUSE. He ought not to willy-nilly ask if a person has a gun at home. That is so surreal and macabre.

The proposed situation as to why they might ask is if you're the parent of a child, and the doctor merely wants to ensure that you're aware of gun safety with a child in your home. That situation seems entirely reasonable to me.
 
I remember when Doc Holiday asked Johnny Tyler where he was going with the shotgun.....it just made me cringe

that being said.....Johnny was a "madcap"
 
The proposed situation as to why they might ask is if you're the parent of a child, and the doctor merely wants to ensure that you're aware of gun safety with a child in your home. That situation seems entirely reasonable to me.

I agree. There are people who are pretty lax with gun safety. Here's a good example.

Toddler fatally shoots himself with father's gun - New Philadelphia, OH - The Times-Reporter

This one wasn't even 3. To make matters worse, the father was a police officer. I would expect a police officer to know how to secure a gun and keep it out of the child's reach.

Here's another.

Child Killed Playing With Gun - News Story - WSB Atlanta

This one was 7, she got killed playing with a gun upstairs while the adults were downstairs.

Even more...

Child Killed in Gun Accident | 1150 KRMS Radio

A 2-year-old boy went in his parents' closet and found a handgun. He shot himself in the head and died.

In 2006, 20 children between the age of 0 to 4 were killed, 50 in the age range of 5 to 14, 140 in the age range of 15 to 24. All caused by firearms injuries in or on home premises.

Here's the report.

https://www.usw12775.org/uploads/InjuryFacts08Ed.pdf

According to the National Safety Council, in 2007, the total firearms-related deaths among the children and teenagers was 3,067. Keep in mind that the number is for at or on home premises. 85 in the age range of 0 to 5, 313 in the age range of 5 to 14, 2,669 of them were teens and young adults in the range of 15 to 19.

Frequently Asked Questions

Firearms-related deaths at home is pretty much preventable.
 
...Okay, walk me through your nightmare scenario, because it doesn't make any sense. You go to a doctor. You currently do not have a firearm license. The doctor asks if you own a gun, because you brought your kid in for a checkup. Since you don't have a license, presumably, you don't own a gun. If you do, it's an illegal weapon, and you're likely admitting to committing a crime, but the doctor doesn't know that, they just "mark it in your file". You later decide to go get a firearm license. If you don't already own a gun, there's no "mark in a file" anywhere indicating anything at all for them to go on. If you do already own a gun, then it's illegal due to not having a license, and while I don't see how the licensing bureau (or police or whoever gives those out) would get access to your child's full medical history, let's just say they magically get it (by stealing it or threatening you or whatever), then I would say that already owning an illegal weapon should count against you when applying for a license, just as having a police record for having gone on a joyride before even getting your temps would count against you when applying for a driver's license...
It's a different process for each state.

In our state (SC):

(As of October, 2006)

Rifles and Shotguns

* Permit to purchase rifles and shotguns? No.
* Registration of rifles and shotguns? No.
* Licensing of owners of rifles and shotguns? No.
* Permit to carry rifles and shotguns? No.

Handguns

* Permit to purchase handgun? No.
* Registration of handguns? No.
* Licensing of owners of handguns? No.
* Permit to carry handguns? Yes.

Gun Laws by State


Then, there is Jiro's NJ:

(As of February, 2006)

Rifles and Shotguns

* Permit to Purchase - ID Card Required
* Registration of Firearms - No
* Licensing of Owners - Yes
* Permit to Carry - ID Card Required Yes

Handguns

* Permit to Purchase - Yes
* Registration of Firearms - No*
* Licensing of Owners - Yes
* Permit to Carry - Yes

* Police record of all transfers required.

(List here is not inclusive of all the restrictions for NJ; go to website for the rest.)

Note: NJ gun info was four pages long, and the SC gun info was two pages.
 
I think that new law passed in FL is unnecessary and patients do have option to decline to answer the questions.

I have no problem if patients don't want to answer the questions if doctor is asking about firearm issues and of course, it is free country.
 
Yeah a pamphlet from an inquisative Dr would have saved them
. :roll:
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top