doctors cannot ask about guns

[jillio]

so is that how you answer to a very simple question?

You wanted studies, I gave you studies.

 

[Jiro]

You wanted studies, I gave you studies.

so explain why the patients' hostilities toward doctors asking about gun possession?

I guess the studies you mentioned are not going so well after all.... A simple problem only requires a simple solution which is..... "Tell us, not ask us"

 

[whatdidyousay!]

So, doctors shouldn't ask about their diet? Their exercise? Sports? Heck, don't ask until they got sick or injured?

It's about prevention and safety.

I do not think is any business of a doctor asking all of their patients if they have a gun at home. If am patient is suicidal I can see a doctor asking this question.

 

[TXgolfer]

Every hazard? How many hours does the doctor have for this questioning of each patient?

Ah, "duly noted in the medical records." Ah, another notation about so-and-so on file. Exactly how does that prevent accidents?

Files? You mean the same files that will be part of the government database under obamacare?

 

[Steinhauer]

Doctors have no business asking if you have a gun. They have no business asking if you own or rent a home. They have no business asking if you own a car, or a motorcycle. They have no business asking if you are employed. They have no business asking if you prefer Mozart or Bach. They have no business asking if you are hetero or homo.

They DO have business in asking you about your illness, injury, etc. After all, that is why they are doctors.

 

[TXgolfer]

And if doctor's are forbidden to ask about gun ownership, then they cannot ask even in the case of probable cause to ask.

No,they are talking about pediatricians, as well. Or general practitioners. And who are the two most responsible for the reporting of suspected child abuse or neglect? They have far more contact with children than do hospital personnel. As a matter of fact, someone who is responsible for harming their child often will not use hospital services because they know that suspicion must be reported.

You saying child abuse and gun ownership go hand in hand? I wouldn't think so.....bulletholes are difficult to hide. I can't even hide my scar.

 

[Reba]

that's silly.

Like I said - I live in the most hostile, anti-gun state. In fact, just a river across is where NYC Mayor Bloomberg is a founder of Mayors Against Illegal Guns. He is nothing but a nuisance and headache since we all know he supports a complete gun ban. It is a known fact in here that NJ State Police and Police Chief will try to find any slightest reason to deny you of a gun rights....

I know all about your mayor. He's been butting into gun sales in South Carolina.

 

[Jiro]

where have you been, ya'all?

*bugle horn*

 

[Jiro]

I know all about your mayor. He's been butting into gun sales in South Carolina.

:roll: good gracious....

 

[somedeafdudefromPNW]

Doctors have no business asking if you have a gun. They have no business asking if you own or rent a home. They have no business asking if you own a car, or a motorcycle. They have no business asking if you are employed. They have no business asking if you prefer Mozart or Bach. They have no business asking if you are hetero or homo.

They DO have business in asking you about your illness, injury, etc. After all, that is why they are doctors.

So you want everyone to only see ER doctors then?

Family doctors don't function the way you speak of.

 

[TXgolfer]

what's next? pediatricians asking us how we drive in order to promote discussion of driver safety around children with parents who own cars? :roll:

Maybe they will put "snapshot" on the cars of all parents...

 

[TXgolfer]

where have you been, ya'all?

*bugle horn*

Oh sorry I was at the Dr. He wanted me to go over every article of clothing I own to make sure they weren't flamable ar made from dyes that could irritate the skin.....that took awhile because I am a clothes whore. Then I had to have a pysch consult because I mentioned I had a male friend who wears short shorts.

 

[TXgolfer]

Unfettered gun rights would mean that those actively psychotic and homocidal people would have more firepower than you.
.

it doesn't mean that at all.... in fact it is highly unlikely

 

[Reba]

it doesn't mean that at all.... in fact it is highly unlikely

She hasn't seen your vault room, eh?

 

[TXgolfer]

She hasn't seen your vault room, eh?

it does not appear so.

 

[Daredevel7]

Instead, how about we just make it mandatory for gun owners to ask if the gun owner has kids??

Jiro, you talk a lot about abused children as if children who were shot MUST have abused parents. This is no different than leaving your child in the backseat locked in a car because they forgot. I don't even understand what abusive parents have to do with gun safety. Anyway, frankly I don't care if they ask you or give you a pamphlet (btw kind of a waste of paper and money to give pamphlets to EVERYONE, including those who don't have guns). Wouldn't it make more sense if they asked "do you have guns or know anyone who do?" if yes then pamphlet (or info).

Btw I'm watching CNN and it says on the bottom "3 out of 4 Americans don't follow doctor's orders".......

 

[Jiro]

Instead, how about we just make it mandatory for gun owners to ask if the gun owner has kids??

Jiro, you talk a lot about abused children as if children who were shot MUST have abused parents. This is no different than leaving your child in the backseat locked in a car because they forgot. I don't even understand what abusive parents have to do with gun safety. Anyway, frankly I don't care if they ask you or give you a pamphlet (btw kind of a waste of paper and money to give pamphlets to EVERYONE, including those who don't have guns). Wouldn't it make more sense if they asked "do you have guns or know anyone who do?" if yes then pamphlet (or info).

Btw I'm watching CNN and it says on the bottom "3 out of 4 Americans don't follow doctor's orders".......

I never said that. I said that we have to focus on abusive parents, not armed parents.

 

[StSapphire]

1) Correct. Same for gun-ownership.
2) Uh... :roll:
3) Like what? You could have an idiot doctor who won't give you service. So don't go to that doctor. Problem solved. Fears that a doctor is going to report you to the cops (who you instead say should be the ones teaching you gun safety anyways... which is it, are the cops good or evil?) is simple paranoia unless you have an actually reasonable idea of why they would ever do that.

the difference is... you won't get a mark in your file if you said yes or no. but you will get a mark in file for gun possession. That concerns me.

Why would a doctor treat answers to different questions differently? If they're going to record whether you own a gun or not, they'll also record whether you wear your seatbelt or not.

Do you have some reason or source indicating otherwise?

I had a same thought about your reasoning on gun issue. Why are we focusing on guns instead of abusive parents?

It's not an either/or issue. Doctors are capable of providing preventative care for multiple things all at the same time. Having a doctor inform patients' parents who own guns of the general points mentioned on the NRA parental guide page (which is likely all they'd be doing anyways) would take maybe 2-3 minutes, tops, during a checkup. Are you really so concerned over a doctor spending 2-3 minutes with parents to prevent accidents from happening? You're unconcerned with a cop doing it, since you've suggested they talk to cops for gun safety, but concerned when a doctor does so?

How is it that "tell us, not ask us" policy is not as effective as "ask us" policy? What's the problem with "tell us, not ask us" policy?

and I think it is unnecessary for a doctor to ask and mark it in his file.

a very simple solution to this problem - tell us, don't ask us. Have gun safety pamphlets and posters available at waiting room. Give us a card for contact information to learn more about gun safety. no problem. I am in 100% support of this policy. Do you agree with this?

As I understand it, you've suggested that a policy of "handing a informational pamphlet" instead of "having a one-on-one discussion" is going to be more effective for increasing gun safety?

If that's what you actually think, then fine. But I find that argument wholly unconvincing, unless you have something to back it up, since I know, from past experience in sales, that talking with someone personally is far more likely to have any sort of effect that a pamphlet that they're probably going to throw away without opening.

I think the pamphlets and posters in waiting rooms are highly ineffectual, and most often are only provided on the off-chance that someone might read them and ask about something (or more often, as a form of advertisement, which I find highly distasteful, but that's an entirely different issue). They're certainly no excuse for an educated doctor asking a patient personally.

 

[Daredevel7]

I never said that. I said that we have to focus on abusive parents, not armed parents.

Yes but..... what's that got to do with banning doctors asking about guns? I'm guessing you are worried that if a parent says that s/he does have a gun, s/he will automatically be labeled "child abuser". Don't you think that there are laws ALREADY IN PLACE to protect the parent? First AND Second amendment?

By the way, I bet a lot of doctors already mentally label parents as child abusers based on observations, but they can't do jack squat about it due to no evidence.

I just find this banning SO frivolous and POINTLESS. I am willing to bet that if doctors are banned from asking about guns, there will be OTHER things they will be banned to ask. I just can't understand why they won't just refuse to answer?!?!?!

"Oh, people asking me about having guns makes me uncomfortable, and it makes me nervous so instead of stepping it up like a man and either answer truthfully or refuse to answer, I'd rather just go behind their backs and try to make it illegal."

 

[Reba]

3) Like what? You could have an idiot doctor who won't give you service. So don't go to that doctor. Problem solved.

It's not always that easy. People using government health care (Medicare, Medicaid, Tricare, VA) don't always get to pick and choose their doctors. Same for people in some insurance programs. Not to mention the delay and inconvenience that adds to getting medical service.

Why would a doctor treat answers to different questions differently? If they're going to record whether you own a gun or not, they'll also record whether you wear your seatbelt or not.

Owning a gun is a Constitutional right; seat belt use is not.

For that matter, why does a doctor need to know if you wear a seat belt? What does that help him diagnose?

If that's what you actually think, then fine. But I find that argument wholly unconvincing, unless you have something to back it up, since I know, from past experience in sales, that talking with someone personally is far more likely to have any sort of effect that a pamphlet that they're probably going to throw away without opening.

I think the pamphlets and posters in waiting rooms are highly ineffectual, and most often are only provided on the off-chance that someone might read them and ask about something (or more often, as a form of advertisement, which I find highly distasteful, but that's an entirely different issue). They're certainly no excuse for an educated doctor asking a patient personally.

I prefer the printed material because usually there are so many different things being discussed during my doctor visits that I'm overwhelmed with information and might forget something. I'd rather have something that I can read in the quiet of my home later.

If I'm in a waiting room long enough, I usually read everything on the walls, and pick up the interesting topic pamphlets to take home.