doctors cannot ask about guns

[jillio]

He was an asshole but that patient was even a bigger bitch. I would refuse service to bitches and assholes.

And a doctor has that right too.

 

[jillio]

Not at all.

It's because they don't want their guns confiscated by any government agency.

Like what happened in Germany to the Jews before World War II.

Like what happened in New Orleans to American citizens after Katrina.

How many guns have been confiscated because a pediatrician asked a parent if there was a gun in the home?

 

[Daredevel7]

He was an asshole but that patient was even a bigger bitch. I would refuse service to bitches and assholes.

Watch out, they might try to ban you from asking/saying anything.

 

[jillio]

I've got to take a break to make my neice a milkshake. Anyone that wants to note that I have a blender in my home and am feeding a child sugar is welcome to keep a permanent record.

 

[Banjo]

I've got to take a break to make my neice a milkshake. Anyone that wants to note that I have a blender in my home and am feeding a child sugar is welcome to keep a permanent record.

Duly noted.

 

[Reba]

Um, that's paranoia.

Are you saying those things didn't happen?

 

[Banjo]

Are you saying those things didn't happen?

Godwin's Law. Besides, don't put words into my mouth.

 

[jillio]

Godwin's Law. Besides, don't put words into my mouth.

I want to know how many of them happened as the direct result of a pediatrician asking if there was a gun in the home?

 

[Reba]

How many guns have been confiscated because a pediatrician asked a parent if there was a gun in the home?

A lot of Jews thought such a thing was ridiculous before it happened to them.

The people in New Orleans never expected it to happen to them.

I forgot to mention the people of Boston in 1775 who had their arms confiscated by the reigning government.

 

[jillio]

A lot of Jews thought such a thing was ridiculous before it happened to them.

The people in New Orleans never expected it to happen to them.

I forgot to mention the people of Boston in 1775 who had their arms confiscated by the reigning government.

How many guns have been confiscated as the result of a pediatrician asking if there was a gun in the home? None of the above 3 occurred as a result of a doctor asking a parent a question about guns in their home. Which makes them totally irrelevant to the discussion.

 

[Reba]

Godwin's Law. Besides, don't put words into my mouth.

How can it be paranoia if it's true?

 

[Banjo]

How can it be paranoia if it's true?

We are talking about the doctors, not these events.

 

[Reba]

How many guns have been confiscated as the result of a pediatrician asking if there was a gun in the home? None of the above 3 occurred as a result of a doctor asking a parent a question about guns in their home.

No, they happened because the authorities knew where to look for the guns. They knew who owned them.

 

[jillio]

How can it be paranoia if it's true?

It is true that a pediatrician asking if a parent had a gun in the home led to the Jews in WWII having their guns confiscated? Or that pediatricians questions were at the foundation of the guns being confiscated in post Katrina New Orleans?

 

[jillio]

No, they happened because the authorities knew where to look for the guns. They knew who owned them.

And they found out without ever having to ask the first doctor to reveal medical records. Imagine that.

 

[somedeafdudefromPNW]

Not at all.

It's because they don't want their guns confiscated by any government agency.

Like what happened in Germany to the Jews before World War II.

Like what happened in New Orleans to American citizens after Katrina.

First off, gun control laws were initiated after WWI, in part of Treaty of Versailles. Your President, Woodrow Wilson, had heavy involvement in the Treaty. Article 169 stated all excess arms and ammunitions must be given up to the Allies. This included civilians.

In 1919, to appeal to the French, British and American, the Wermair Republic passed a law requiring German citizens to forfeits their firearms and all ammunitions or they would be fined and face jail-time. In 1920, they pressed the thumbscrew even further limiting the militas' access to weapons.

It wasn't until 1928, the blanket ban on firearms was lightened up, but you still required a permit to sell or own a weapon.

The Nazis' regulation in 1938 is actually less strict than the one imposed in 1928 as it lifted the restriction on longarms, and only handguns required permit to own and acquire. Legal age for ownership was reduced from 20 to 18. Those who possessed hunting licenses, government employees and members of the party in power were exempted; previously only government officials were exempted. Also, the firearm permit was extended to three-years renewal rather than being an annual occurrance.

Yes, Jews were restricted from possessing owning a gun, but failure to disclose the fact the 1938 Weapons Act actually empowered the people compared to the much stricter revision the previous decade is intellectual dishonesty.

So, you're better off citing the 1919 regulation than to cite the Nazis'. Failing to mention that the United States was responsible for taking away firearms from the citizens of Germany vis a vis Woodrow Wilson is also a cheap shot.

 

[Jiro]

And I suppose you know then, that pediatricians are certified and licensed to discuss issues related to child safety with parents. Case closed. You are not certified, they are.

so you're saying pediatricians are certified and licensed in gun safety course too? I'm asking a very specific question.

 

[jillio]

This makes much more sense to me:

“I would think there should be a law that says if you don’t [council parents about gun safety], that should be malpractice,” said David Hemenway, a professor of health policy at the Harvard School of Public Health who studies injury prevention.

Florida Gun Law Would Make It Illegal For Doctors To Counsel Parents On Gun Safety « Alan Colmes' Liberaland

Ironic, ain't it?

In Florida, where a 5-year-old has just been suspended after bringing a loaded .22-caliber pistol to preschool, a local politician has proposed a bill that would ban doctors from asking parents about guns at home.

Florida Rep. Jason Brodeur Wants to Ban Doctors Asking Parents About Guns at Home - ABC News

Interesting:
he National Rifle Association has been accused of obstructing firearms research by blocking funding through the Centers of Disease Control and Prevention.

Florida Rep. Jason Brodeur Wants to Ban Doctors Asking Parents About Guns at Home - ABC News

Well, we just got rid of Don't Ask Don't Tell in regard to sexual orientation in the military. I guess we have to start working on another outdated example.

 

[jillio]

so you're saying pediatricians are certified and licensed in gun safety course too? I'm asking a very specific question.

As I very clearly stated before, they are licensed and certified to discuss issues regarding childhood safety issues.

So...you think someone needs to be certified from the NRA to say, "If you have a gun in your home, make sure it is stored out of reach of children and keep the safety on." Or to provide the statistical numbers for children killed every year by a gun in the home? You really think that requires additional certification besides an M.D. and board certification in pediatrics?

 

[naisho]

hey everyone let's