doctors cannot ask about guns

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deafskeptic said:
Well no. I wonder if you've been asked this question. :hmm:
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Not only was I asked that question on a social hx the first time my son had an appointment, I have been known to ask it in the process of taking a social history. A social history is a very important part of a comprehensive medical file.
 
Banjo said:
Firearm injuries are the third leading cause of death in the age range of 10 to 14, second in the age range of 15 to 24. Above them are auto accidents and cancer.

http://www.mckenzie-pediatrics.com/shop/images/GunArticle.pdf

It may not be the number one cause, but it's still a significant lead.
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I like how he words it with bias and half-truth.

Firearm injuries in the U.S. are the third-leading cause of death among children ages 10- to 14-years, and the second-leading cause of death for ages 15- to 24-years. Only motor vehicle accidents and cancer kill more children in the United States than firearms.
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but I'd like to see official list of top 3 causes for child death and injury. and how old are we talking about in here? a toddler to what? 12?
 
jillio said:
Not only was I asked that question on a social hx the first time my son had an appointment, I have been known to ask in in the process of taking a social history. A social history is a very important part of a comprehensive medical file.
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Guess it's clear I don't have kids.
 
Jiro said:
I like how he words it with bias and half-truth.



but I'd like to see official list of top 3 causes for child death and injury. and how old are we talking about in here? a toddler to what? 12?
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We are talking about PREVENVTABLE causes, jiro. What is your problem with that word? Do you think that we, as a society, should not seek to prevent the death of children from preventable causes?
 
jillio said:
Who says they are unqualified. I don't.

How do you know they don't own guns. I know plenty of doctors who own guns, one of them was my son's pediatrician. Did I consider him unqualified to discuss gun safety with parents? No. And not because he was a gun owner. Because he had received the training necessary to discuss all areas of child welfare and health.
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and I know plenty of doctors who don't own guns in here.

but you are not answering my question. I'm talking specifically about doctors who don't own guns. Do you have a problem with them lecturing parents about gun safety issue?
 
jillio said:
We are talking about PREVEVTABLE causes, jiro. What is your problem with that word?
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why not focus on top 3 culprits? preventable too.
 
jillio said:
We are talking about PREVENVTABLE causes, jiro. What is your problem with that word? Do you think that we, as a society, should not seek to prevent the death of children from preventable causes?
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so.... what are the top 3 causes? We can talk about it.
 
deafskeptic said:
Guess it's clear I don't have kids.
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Wasn't meant as an insult. Just that the issue is whether pediatricians should be allowed to ask parents if they keep a gun in their home. The reason, according to the American Academy of Pediatrics, for asking the question, is to bridge a discussion into gun safety around children and thus assist in preventing death and injury.
 
Jiro said:
and I know plenty of doctors who don't own guns in here.

but you are not answering my question. I'm talking specifically about doctors who don't own guns. Do you have a problem with them lecturing parents about gun safety issue?
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In here, where? AD?

So what if a doctor does not own a gun. That doesn't mean he has not been trained to counsel a parent on safety issues with their child. I don't have schizophrenia, either, but I can sure as hell counsel a parent on how to best relate to their child with schizophrenia. :roll: And a pediatrician can counsel a parent on environmental safety where children are concerned because they have been trained to do so. A gun in the home is part of the environment.

Why would you need to own a gun to be able to say, Hey, did you know how many kids are killed each year because guns were not stored in a way that the child could not get to them?
 
jillio said:
Wasn't meant as an insult. Just that the issue is whether pediatricians should be allowed to ask parents if they keep a gun in their home. The reason, according to the American Academy of Pediatrics, for asking the question, is to bridge a discussion into gun safety around children and thus assist in preventing death and injury.
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so by your logic - you have no problem with pediatrician inquiring about what you're going to do with a deaf son? and that pediatrician should lecture to you about it?
 
Jiro said:
so by your logic - you have no problem with pediatrician inquiring about what you're going to do with a deaf son? and that pediatrician should lecture to you about it?
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Sure. I discussed it many times with my son's pediatrician. Why not? I considered his input to be valuable and he was concerned about my son's overall development and welfare.

But what does that have to do with asking a parent if there is a gun in the home?

BTW, you are skipping questions again. Just so you know, when you see? at the end of sentence, it is a question that you are being asked.
 
I find this thread hilarious, especially when people are agreeing with banning doctors from asking about firearms.

Because... umm... there are SO MANY other things that doctors can ask you that could somewhat link you to "child abuse" (not that asking would automatically imply child abuse, but seems like that's what some people perceive here) such as alcohol, drugs (legal or illegal), sharp objects, even whether you own belts!!! (You may hit your child with a belt). So I'm kinda thinking to myself "Well, if you're so adamant about banning doctors from asking you about firearms, might as well ban them from asking you anything else!!!" It's actually kinda dumb to ban doctors from asking you about SPECIFICALLY only firearms..... It's almost like banning ONLY .44 guns out of all the guns that exist!

I still don't understand why you can't simply not answer their questions. What are the repercussions for not answering their questions? Refusal of treatment? Wouldn't the doctors be scared of being sued for not providing treatment because of this? We all know America is sue-happy!
 
jillio said:
In here, where? AD?
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here in NJ and NY.

jillio said:
So what if a doctor does not own a gun. That doesn't mean he has not been trained to counsel a parent on safety issues with their child. I don't have schizophrenia, either, but I can sure as hell counsel a parent on how to best relate to their child with schizophrenia. :roll: And a pediatrician can counsel a parent on environmental safety where children are concerned because they have been trained to do so. A gun in the home is part of the environment.
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but have you taken any formal training in schizophrenia subject? Can I count on doctors taking any formal training in firearm? not really. Their knowledge is, at best, skimmed over from pamphlet or article. I wouldn't be surprised if they formed a bias or misconception.

jillio said:
Why would you need to own a gun to be able to say, Hey, did you know how many kids are killed each year because guns were not stored in a way that the child could not get to them?
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because..... people with guns know exactly what they're talking about and they can effectively communicate it. You have to take into factor that people do not like to listen to people with no background in it.
 
Daredevel7 said:
I find this thread hilarious, especially when people are agreeing with banning doctors from asking about firearms.

Because... umm... there are SO MANY other things that doctors can ask you that could somewhat link you to "child abuse" (not that asking would automatically imply child abuse, but seems like that's what some people perceive here) such as alcohol, drugs (legal or illegal), sharp objects, even whether you own belts!!! (You may hit your child with a belt). So I'm kinda thinking to myself "Well, if you're so adamant about banning doctors from asking you about firearms, might as well ban them from asking you anything else!!!" It's actually kinda dumb to ban doctors from asking you about SPECIFICALLY only firearms..... It's almost like banning ONLY .44 guns out of all the guns that exist!

I still don't understand why you can't simply not answer their questions. What are the repercussions for not answering their questions? Refusal of treatment? Wouldn't the doctors be scared of being sued for not providing treatment because of this? We all know America is sue-happy!
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Bingo! And of course they could be sued for not providing treatment for not answering a social history question. And, one of the reasons that they have to gather so much information is protect their own butts from the people who are so suit happy.
 
jillio said:
Wasn't meant as an insult. Just that the issue is whether pediatricians should be allowed to ask parents if they keep a gun in their home. The reason, according to the American Academy of Pediatrics, for asking the question, is to bridge a discussion into gun safety around children and thus assist in preventing death and injury.
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I know you didn't mean that as an insult. I asked you this question not because I thought you were challenging me but because I wanted confirmation.
 
jillio said:
And completely inaccessible. The only logical reason I can think of that someone would not want a record of their gun ownership is if they were planning to use it in the commission of a crime.
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Not at all.

It's because they don't want their guns confiscated by any government agency.

Like what happened in Germany to the Jews before World War II.

Like what happened in New Orleans to American citizens after Katrina.
 
jillio said:
Sure. I discussed it many times with my son's pediatrician. Why not? I considered his input to be valuable and he was concerned about my son's overall development and welfare.
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no problem with doctor marking it in his file and maybe call social worker to investigate this matter further when you refuse to consider cochlear implant option?

jillio said:
But what does that have to do with asking a parent if there is a gun in the home?

BTW, you are skipping questions again. Just so you know, when you see? at the end of sentence, it is a question that you are being asked.
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funny. you're so hell-bent on me answering your questions and yet.... you conveniently don't answer my questions when I repeatedly asked you :laugh2:
 
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