doctors cannot ask about guns

[Jiro]

Just came from there. You are both saying that doctors should not be allowed to ask about gun ownership as part of a standard social history questionaire.

it would be great if you can link the post where I said that.

 

[jillio]

no wonder Brady Campaign has been losing for past several years. We don't imply. We state our case with clarity and logic... not implication or hyperbole.

Logic and clarity? You can't even answer a simple question.

 

[somedeafdudefromPNW]

Maybe because there is no Constitutional right to own pets or pools?

If so, why is it not unconstitutional for a game warden to ask if you're carrying a loaded firearm on you? I don't see the difference between a doctor asking if you possesses one or a game warden asking if they possess one.

From the logic I am seeing on this thread, it won't be long before gun owners will claim that it's unconstitutional to prohibits people from hunting or setting up a makeshift shooting range in middle of a city.

 

[Jiro]

And that was clearly answered. Because of the number of children every year that are injured or killed by a gun being kept in the home. It becomes a matter of child safety, and child safety is the domain of pediatricians among other professionals.

I see that you have been keeping tab on child safety so I take it that you're well-versed in this issue. Can you please list what are TOP 3 safety issues for children?

 

[jillio]

it would be great if you can link the post where I said that.

Do you want me to go back and actually count the number of times that you have said they should not be allowed to ask without probable cause, and yet have not told any of us what you consider probable cause to be. Factor in the fact that the number of children killed and injured every year by a gun in the home is certainly probable cause to address gun safety with parents that are gun owner is probable cause for asking the question so that risk can be determined.

But I don't expect you to understand it any better this time than you did the first 75 times it was explained.

 

[jillio]

I see that you have been keeping tab on child safety so I take it that you're well-versed in this issue. Can you please list what are TOP 3 safety issues for children?

What does that have to do with the number of children that are killed or injured by a gun in the home? It is the most preventable cause of child death and injury. Why would you not want to prevent a chiild's death or injury?

 

[Jiro]

I didn't defend it either:

http://www.alldeaf.com/1815492-post2.html

"I also don't think there needs to be a law against a doctor asking. That seems rather harsh."

I'm having hard time to see EXACTLY where you said that you're in support of this law as Jillio claimed.

I'm also having hard time on my post too.

I'm not opposed either if doctors have "probable cause" to ask about gun possession.

again - I have no problem with doctors asking us about gun possession if they feel patients are in danger.

and some more same posts.

 

[Reba]

Just came from there. You are both saying that doctors should not be allowed to ask about gun ownership as part of a standard social history questionaire.

My post #2 (right at the beginning of this thread):

"Unless a patient shows up at the ER with a gunshot wound, why would the doctor need to ask about gun ownership?

I don't think it needs to be a routine doctor question. Patients shouldn't be required to answer that kind of question unless it's relevant to patient's injury or illness.

I also don't think there needs to be a law against a doctor asking. That seems rather harsh.

If doctors want to discuss gun safety, they can do that with all their patients without singling out anyone. They can give each patient an NRA pamphlet on gun safety."



Nowhere did I say doctors should not be allowed to ask.

My opinion is that patients should not be required to answer such questions.

 

[jillio]

My post #2 (right at the beginning of this thread):

"Unless a patient shows up at the ER with a gunshot wound, why would the doctor need to ask about gun ownership?

I don't think it needs to be a routine doctor question. Patients shouldn't be required to answer that kind of question unless it's relevant to patient's injury or illness.

I also don't think there needs to be a law against a doctor asking. That seems rather harsh.

If doctors want to discuss gun safety, they can do that with all their patients without singling out anyone. They can give each patient an NRA pamphlet on gun safety."


Nowhere did I say doctors should not be allowed to ask.

My opinion is that patients should not be required to answer such questions.

So, then, as I asked Jiro and he failed to answer, you are in support of doctors being allowed to ask this question at their discretion and with a specific intended purpose without interference from legislation or the NRA?

And it has already been pointed out that patients are not mandated to answer the question.

 

[Reba]

If so, why is it not unconstitutional for a game warden to ask if you're carrying a loaded firearm on you? I don't see the difference between a doctor asking if you possesses one or a game warden asking if they possess one.

You don't? Well, if you don't mind the doctor doing the warden's job, you shouldn't mind the warden doing the doctor's job on you.

Let me know how that works out.

From the logic I am seeing on this thread, it won't be long before gun owners will claim that it's unconstitutional to prohibits people from hunting or setting up a makeshift shooting range in middle of a city.

Bearing a firearm is one thing; using it is another.

 

[Jiro]

What does that have to do with the number of children that are killed or injured by a gun in the home? It is the most preventable cause of child death and injury. Why would you not want to prevent a chiild's death or injury?

because we don't have unlimited time and resource to prevent everything. It's a gross misuse of allocation to tackle on problem that doesn't rank high on the list when we should be focusing on top culprits that kill/injure children. That's how I'd want to prevent a child's death or injury. One step at a time.

So do you know what are the top 3 culprits? and do you know where the gun falls in the list? Please for the love of god.... don't make me pay again for another carousel round. I got ripped off last time. $8

 

[Jiro]

Do you want me to go back and actually count the number of times that you have said they should not be allowed to ask without probable cause, and yet have not told any of us what you consider probable cause to be. Factor in the fact that the number of children killed and injured every year by a gun in the home is certainly probable cause to address gun safety with parents that are gun owner is probable cause for asking the question so that risk can be determined.

But I don't expect you to understand it any better this time than you did the first 75 times it was explained.

again. tell us, not ask us. give us pamphlet. contact information. any information is welcomed.

 

[jillio]

because we don't have unlimited time and resource to prevent everything. It's a gross misuse of allocation to tackle on problem that doesn't rank high on the list when we should be focusing on top culprits that kill/injure children. That's how I'd want to prevent a child's death or injury. One step at a time.

So do you know what are the top 3 culprits? and do you know where the gun falls in the list? Please for the love of god.... don't make me pay again for another carousel round. I got ripped off last time. $8

Whose funds are you talking about? I think you are about to go off on another tanget that you don't have the knowledge to tackle.

Gun violence is still the single most preventable cause of child injury and death. Prevention is the key to more children not being killed.

 

[Jiro]

Whose funds are you talking about? I think you are about to go off on another tanget that you don't have the knowledge to tackle.

fund? what fund? where did I say that?

 

[Jiro]

Whose funds are you talking about? I think you are about to go off on another tanget that you don't have the knowledge to tackle.

Gun violence is still the single most preventable cause of child injury and death. Prevention is the key to more children not being killed.

so are you telling me that gun violence is #1 cause of child injury and death?

 

[jillio]

again. tell us, not ask us. give us pamphlet. contact information. any information is welcomed.

Now there is a misuse of funding.

 

[jillio]

fund? what fund? where did I say that?

Okay. You said allocation. Allocation of what?

 

[Reba]

So, then, as I asked Jiro and he failed to answer, you are in support of doctors being allowed to ask this question at their discretion and with a specific intended purpose without interference from legislation or the NRA?

And it has already been pointed out that patients are not mandated to answer the question.

I say that patients should not answer the question.

The question should not be allowed included on the printed or on-line questionnaire. If the doctor feels compelled to ask, he will have to ask verbally.

They should ask why the doctor is asking the question.

They should tell the doctor they can't ask their children the question.

They should report the incident to the hospital administration.

They should encourage everyone, including people who don't own guns, to not answer the question.

If there is the least bit intimidation or threat of repercussion (such as refusing service or reporting to an insurance company or any other agency), then the patient should make a formal complaint about the doctor's ethics.

 

[Jiro]

Now there is a misuse of funding.

Don't you think it's good idea to let a qualified, trained, and knowledgeable person to explain to us about gun safety like.... a police officer?

Don't you think it's oxymoronic to be lectured about gun safety from a person who never owns a gun?

 

[Jiro]

Okay. You said allocation. Allocation of what?

time and resource.