doctors cannot ask about guns

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Jiro said:
and then the parents should be criminally charged? and their child be taken away and placed in foster care?
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OIC, a child has to be mained or killed before we even think about intervention. How many kids are you willing to sacrifice to back up that philosphy, Jiro? How many of your own children would you be willing to sacrifice?
 
jillio said:
OIC, a child has to be mained or killed before we even think about intervention. How many kids are you willing to sacrifice to back up that philosphy, Jiro? How many of your own children would you be willing to sacrifice?
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that's why we have laws to punish them.

As you said in old thread.... you support no-txting-while-driving law so that police has something to charge them with AFTER the incident.
 
I am sure doctors asked you about your sex life, your lifestyle choices, your habits, your diet, your health, etc. It's common. I don't remember being asked about guns but I don't think he would given my age and my general health being.

But I can tell you that I know several people who committed suicide by gun. I don't remember one who committed suicide with other methods. Gun is just quite effective. And one HOH girl, only 13, killed herself with a gun... and that gun belonged to her father who was a cop. My great uncle committed suicide with a gun.

So, having a gun in the house does increase the risk of suicide significantly. The risk factor is already established and there's nothing you can do to change it as long as you own a gun.

It's really hard to kill yourself, even with drugs. Often times when you OD, you panic after a few minutes and you get medical help which literally saves your life. But with a gunshot, there's no "second thought." It's hard to kill yourself with a knife. It's too painful.
 
Jiro said:
that's why we have laws to punish them.
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They have to be sacrificed before those laws kick in. You are saying we should never do any intervention to prevent a child being seriously injured or killed. We should always wait until serious injury occurs. And then when serious injury occurs, people like you are the first to say, "Where was social services? Why didn't they know this parent was incompetent?"

You can't have it both ways.
 
jillio said:
I'm saying if there is nothing to hide, why the concern about anyone knowing what is in your home?
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It's called privacy. Ever hear of it?

Social services workers are loaded down enough without prying into houses where there are no complaints?
 
Reba said:
It's called privacy. Ever hear of it?

Social services workers are loaded down enough without prying into houses where there are no complaints?
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Yeah, I've heard of it. Asking if I own a gun doesn't violate my privacy rights. After all, I have to register that gun, now don't I? And answer a bunch of private questions about my life in order to purchase it. After all that, why would I be so worried about my privacy being violated because my kid's doctor knows I own it?

And there is no reason why they would pry into a house where there has been no complaints. Which means that they are not going to go prying into a house just because a gun owner has been honest and said, "Yes, I own a gun."
 
If a doctor smell tobacco on the child's clothes, the doctor should immediately ask the child if anyone at home smokes. A positive respond should be enough for the doctor to contact CPS. Then action should be taken to prevent the harmful danger to the child.
 
jillio said:
They have to be sacrificed before those laws kick in. You are saying we should never do any intervention to prevent a child being seriously injured or killed. We should always wait until serious injury occurs. And then when serious injury occurs, people like you are the first to say, "Where was social services? Why didn't they know this parent was incompetent?"

You can't have it both ways.
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That's not how I nor people like me think.
 
jillio said:
So, we just wait until the kid is shot, and then worry about it.
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May I ask you, jillio, why you keep aiming for such extreme example? Isn't it better to gain cooperation from gun owners by showing them they have nothing to fear? If I was a gun owner in middle of a neo-progressive country who is constantly reminding me of the possibilities that could happen, I would view such matters as an assault on my individual freedom.

That's how Canada's Prime Minister, Jean Chretien, managed to pass the Firearms Act, by citing École Polytechnique massacre, the FLQ Crisis and Quebec Biker war as examples, while the entire country was in shambles during the Qeubecois separatism referendum of 1995, by cramming down the legislation down the politicians' throats with no check or balance.

It seems to me, it's much more efficient to gain an understanding there's nothing to be paranoid about, rather than invoking their distrustful nature toward authorites.
 
jillio said:
Yeah, I've heard of it. Asking if I own a gun doesn't violate my privacy rights. After all, I have to register that gun, now don't I? And answer a bunch of private questions about my life in order to purchase it. After all that, why would I be so worried about my privacy being violated because my kid's doctor knows I own it?

And there is no reason why they would pry into a house where there has been no complaints. Which means that they are not going to go prying into a house just because a gun owner has been honest and said, "Yes, I own a gun."
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because a mark in file can have an impact on gun ownership.
 
jillio said:
It is exactly what your posts are saying.
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nope.

Perhaps you should ask for clarification instead of assuming which was what doctor should have done instead of accusing mom of child abuse.
 
souggy said:
May I ask you, jillio, why you keep aiming for such extreme example? Isn't it better to gain cooperation from gun owners by showing them they have nothing to fear? If I was a gun owner in middle of a neo-progressive country who is constantly reminding me of the possibilities that could happen, I would view such matters as an assault on my individual freedom.

That's how Canada's Prime Minister, Jean Chretien, managed to pass the Firearms Act, by citing École Polytechnique massacre, the FLQ Crisis and Quebec Biker war as examples, while the entire country was in shambles during the Qeubecois separatism referendum of 1995, by cramming down the legislation down the politicians' throats with no check or balance.

It seems to me, it's much more efficient to gain an understanding there's nothing to be paranoid about, rather than invoking their distrustful nature of authority.
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Yes, it is. I am using the extreme to counter act the extreme. The simple fact that statistics show that a child is more at risk with a gun in the home, and that is sufficient reason to address safety issues just doesn't seem to concern the NRA and Second Amendment fundamentalists.
 
Jiro said:
nope.

Perhaps you should ask for clarification instead of assuming which was what doctor should have done instead of accusing mom of child abuse.
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Jiro, go back and read your posts. You have said that we don't need to report any incident or do any intervention until a child has actually been hurt in some way. Prevention just seems to be a foreign concept to you.
 
netrox said:
I am sure doctors asked you about your sex life, your lifestyle choices, your habits, your diet, your health, etc. It's common. I don't remember being asked about guns but I don't think he would given my age and my general health being.

But I can tell you that I know several people who committed suicide by gun. I don't remember one who committed suicide with other methods. Gun is just quite effective. And one HOH girl, only 13, killed herself with a gun... and that gun belonged to her father who was a cop. My great uncle committed suicide with a gun.

So, having a gun in the house does increase the risk of suicide significantly. The risk factor is already established and there's nothing you can do to change it as long as you own a gun.

It's really hard to kill yourself, even with drugs. Often times when you OD, you panic after a few minutes and you get medical help which literally saves your life. But with a gunshot, there's no "second thought." It's hard to kill yourself with a knife. It's too painful.
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again - I have no problem with doctors asking us about gun possession if they feel patients are in danger.
 
Banjo said:
That's ironic consider what doctors do for a living.
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and they are required by law to report it if they feel patient is in danger.

Gun... serious business. I don't want to see more accusations.
 
Jiro said:
again - I have no problem with doctors asking us about gun possession if they feel patients are in danger.
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Again, how would they know that child was in danger by looking at their tonsils?
 
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