doctors cannot ask about guns

[Jiro]

Riiiight. And then you would complain that assumptions are being made that all parents have guns in the home.

better than asking us.

 

[jillio]

Don't you think it's possible for a parent to accidentally drop his/her baby?

If a parent accidentally drops a 10 day old infant, who is not even capable of struggling against the parent's grip, then that parent's parenting skills definately need to be looked at. You think a person who drops a 10 day old infant is a safe parent?

 

[somedeafdudefromPNW]

Your hyperbole makes no sense. I don't follow. One resorts to using rhetoric hyperbole when one is losing his case.:

"Rhetoric" is quite redundant. Since one is too blind to comphrenend such analogy, I will spell it out.

Some Americans do say NOT being able to swear in front of a child is a violation of free speech. Other people view it as a form of child abuse. However if one is granted unlimited use of free speech, then someone's toe is bound to be stepped on. So, where do you draw the line? Most people agree as long it's not verbal abuse, it's okay. Such incidents are usually recorded with no actions taking place.

Similarly, it's the same thing with the Second Amendment. It's quite clear the registries, licenses and permits are violations of the Second Amendment. However is being asked if you own a firearm or not trumping on your right to own a gun? You're not being compelled to register. No one is going to arrest you for having a child and a firearm in the same house.

What's the harm of a social worker knowing what content you have in your house? It seems to me, being honest whether or not you own a firearm without the need for a warrant is much more respectable on your file than people finding out about it later on during a custody or abuse case.

 

[Jiro]

If a parent accidentally drops a 10 day old infant, who is not even capable of struggling against the parent's grip, then that parent's parenting skills definately need to be looked at. You think a person who drops a 10 day old infant is a safe parent?

so it points to child abuse?

 

[jillio]

better than asking us.

Why are you so concerned about questions?

 

[jillio]

so it points to child abuse?

It certainly points to neglect and endangerment. And that makes a 10 day old infant extremely unsafe. They cannot do anything to protect themselves from their parent's failure to behave responsibly and safely in their care of them.

 

[Reba]

Asking does open the door to discussion about gun safety.

The doctor can have a discussion about gun safety without asking if the parents own guns. Children might be exposed to guns other than just thru their parents.

So, pediatricians should be doing a discussion of gun safety with parents even when it does not apply.

To whom does it not apply? Any child can be exposed to a gun at any time, any place.

Didn't you say saving even one child's life makes it worthwhile?

Okay. And we'll see the cost of examination go way up and the time of service go way down.

Um, if that were a problem, then why did doctors start including it on their long list of questions? I thought the child's welfare came first? No?

Yeah, makes much more sense then just asking a simple question to see of the discussion applies.

Which is it? Concern for the safety of all children?

Or something else?

 

[jillio]

Now we are arguing whether a parent who drops a newborn is a good parent. Geeze! Some people should never have kids.:roll:

 

[Jiro]

Why are you so concerned about questions?

a correction question is - why are you do you feel a need for doctors to ask us about guns without "probable cause"?

I have no problem with doctors asking us if they feel their patients are in danger.

Do you have a problem with doctors TELLING us instead of ASKING us?

 

[Jiro]

It certainly points to neglect and endangerment. And that makes a 10 day old infant extremely unsafe. They cannot do anything to protect themselves from their parent's failure to behave responsibly and safely in their care of them.

in this case..... it was a cephalohematoma.

Maybe she freaked out and became overly concerned when she noticed a bump on head after dropping baby when it's not really dropping. I mean this kind of concern is normal especially for first-time mom, right?

 

[Reba]

...What's the harm of a social worker knowing what content you have in your house?

Unless there's been a formal complaint made, or the household is already under social services supervision, there's zero reason for any social worker to know what you have in your house.

 

[jillio]

a correction question is - why are you do you feel a need for doctors to ask us about guns without "probable cause"?

I have no problem with doctors asking us if they feel their patients are in danger.

Do you have a problem with doctors TELLING us instead of ASKING us?

I've already answered that. Safety issues.

Danger can be present without a doctor being able to detect it in a phsycial exam of a child. How does one determine that a parent is keeping a loaded gun within a kid's reach by looking at their tonsils?

I have always been told that it is much more polite and likely to gain cooperation if one asks instead of tells.

 

[jillio]

Unless there's been a formal complaint made, or the household is already under social services supervision, there's zero reason for any social worker to know what you have in your house.

So, we just wait until the kid is shot, and then worry about it.

 

[Jiro]

Now we are arguing whether a parent who drops a newborn is a good parent. Geeze! Some people should never have kids.:roll:

Actually - I am gravely concerned for parent being accused as a child abuser. Some doctors should never be doctors when they don't know basic medical 101 stuff like cephalohematoma and especially how an accusation can ruin people's lives.

Remember - it only takes one false accusation to ruin a person's life.... like pedophile. rapist.

 

[Reba]

So, we just wait until the kid is shot, and then worry about it.

Are you saying a social worker should make a visit to every household that owns a gun?

If not, then what are you saying? Why are you equating a social worker visit with kids getting shot?

 

[jillio]

in this case..... it was a cephalohematoma.

Maybe she freaked out and became overly concerned when she noticed a bump on head after dropping baby when it's not really dropping. I mean this kind of concern is normal especially for first-time mom, right?

And, in this case, a mother reported that her 10 day old infant "suffered a fall". That in and of itself is cause for concern, whether there was a visable bump on his head or not.

I guess we just wait until she puts the kid in a too hot bath and burns it before we intervene.:roll:

A parent dropping a newborn is not an "Oh, well" situation.

 

[Jiro]

So, we just wait until the kid is shot, and then worry about it.

right. like I said - we have laws to punish AFTER the incidents. One can go to jail for it so if one does not want to go jail, one should ensure that it should not happen.

Common Sense. I see that you see a need for us to be told what to do and what not to do?

 

[jillio]

Are you saying a social worker should make a visit to every household that owns a gun?

If not, then what are you saying? Why are you equating a social worker visit with kids getting shot?

I'm saying if there is nothing to hide, why the concern about anyone knowing what is in your home?

 

[Jiro]

And, in this case, a mother reported that her 10 day old infant "suffered a fall". That in and of itself is cause for concern, whether there was a visable bump on his head or not.

I guess we just wait until she puts the kid in a too hot bath and burns it before we intervene.:roll:

A parent dropping a newborn is not an "Oh, well" situation.

and then the parents should be criminally charged? and their child be taken away and placed in foster care?

 

[jillio]

right. like I said - we have laws to punish AFTER the incidents. One can go to jail for it so if one does not want to go jail, one should ensure that it should not happen.

Common Sense. I see that you see a need for us to be told what to do and what not to do?

There's formula for preventing childhood deaths from guns.:roll: And you say you are concerned about kids.:roll: