doctors cannot ask about guns

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netrox said:
I think we can all agree that the bill is harsh and unnecessary. It should be doctor's decision, not the government. If patient doesn't like it, he can find another doctor.

It doesn't matter how we think about gun control/gun rights. It's about fining doctors for simply asking about guns.
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I do believe this law is ridiculous but I don't believe doctors should ask us about gun possession.

I have a simple solution for this simple problem - tell us, not ask us.
 
souggy said:
What if someone tied a fishing line to their tonsil and left them hanging there on a bar affixed to a doorway?

I need to stop reading murder cases and sex abuse cases.
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what if you stop reading sick stuff? :)
 
Jiro said:
I have a simple solution for this simple problem - tell us, not ask us.
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Tell you what? If you just meant tell you about safe gun control around small children... I'd rather my doc asked if I had a gun so she didn't waste 15 minutes telling me how to safely keep the gun I don't own locked up so as to keep little Billy from shooting his nonexistent eye out.
 
jillio said:
Tonsils get checked during routine examination for well children check ups.

And you totally miss the point. You say a doctor needs to know that kid is in danger. They can't tell if there is a gun being kept unsafely in the home from looking at a kid's tonsils. They have to ask the question or wait for the kid to show up in the ER with a bullet lodged somewhere in their body.
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ask? they don't ask. they immediately report to police. and police will ask from there and take appropriate action.
 
StSapphire said:
Tell you what? If you just meant tell you about safe gun control around small children... I'd rather my doc asked if I had a gun so she didn't waste 15 minutes telling me how to safely keep the gun I don't own locked up so as to keep little Billy from shooting his nonexistent eye out.
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then give us a pamphlet or contact information to get educated on it.
 
Jiro said:
State Police.
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Really? Any state trooper can walk into a doctor's office and ask to see someone's file (a kid's file at that)? There would need to be a good reason for a warrant which probably has already created an impact on gun ownership.
 
LoveBlue said:
Really? Any state trooper can walk into a doctor's office and ask to see someone's file (a kid's file at that)? There would need to be a good reason for a warrant which probably has already created an impact on gun ownership.
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this is what I get for living in blue state :)

but I have to sign the form to allow state trooper to run a mental health check on me - http://www.state.nj.us/njsp/info/pdf/firearms/sp-066.pdf

which I believe is illegal but I'll wait for lawsuit to challenge NJ after lawyers are done with Maryland.
 
LoveBlue said:
Really? Any state trooper can walk into a doctor's office and ask to see someone's file (a kid's file at that)? There would need to be a good reason for a warrant which probably has already created an impact on gun ownership.
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Doctor's files cannot be accessed without a court order, and only then when they are pertinent to a case on trial.
 
jillio said:
Doctor's files cannot be accessed without a court order, and only then when they are pertinent to a case on trial.
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Exactly, HIPPA law will not allow it with out a court order.
 
Jiro said:
ask? they don't ask. they immediately report to police. and police will ask from there and take appropriate action.
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Doctors don't report to police. You really have no idea what you are talking about here, Jiro. You are running on pure emotion and you are making huge mistakes as a result.
 
LoveBlue said:
And this has to do with the topic in what way?
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Running a mental health check is not the same thing in any way as accessing a doctor's records. And, the whole point is that he has to sign a form giving consent for that information to be released. A state trooper cannot just walk into a doctor's office and demand records. He is confused.
 
LoveBlue said:
His post about having to sign a consent form when registering a gun in NJ
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Exactly. He has to sign consent. Otherwise, the records cannot be accessed. Only if a patient gives consent. Otherwise, it takes a court order regarding a case that is on trial. And even then, there is certain information that does not have to be released.
 
jillio said:
Running a mental health check is not the same thing in any way as accessing a doctor's records. And, the whole point is that he has to sign a form giving consent for that information to be released. A state trooper cannot just walk into a doctor's office and demand records. He is confused.
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Not to mention... He comparing New Jersey's gun registry to a survey. Even if there's a hyperbole, comparison or even a juxtaposition to be made, it's a poor choice of one.
 
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