Do you support abortion as

Do you support abortion as

  • a legal?

    Votes: 39 63.9%

  • an illegal?

    Votes: 22 36.1%
  • Total voters
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Cheri said:
What are the chances does a newborn have that it can survive without the mother's milk or formula? without food, the newborn dies. You are ignoring the whole picture. A Fetus is no different than a newborn, or an infant, or a toddler.
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No, dear, you are ignoring the whole picture. Taking mother's milk or formula in no way resembles being connected physically to a female's body. A neonate that receives formula or mother's milk is taking nutrition independently. It is not dependent upon the female's circulatory system, cardiac system, digestive system, blood supply, and respiratory system, not to mention reproductive system, for existence. A father can feed a baby, a brother can feed a baby, a sister can feed a baby, a baby sitter can feed a baby, a stranger down the street can feed a baby. ONLY A FEMALE HOST CAN SUSTAIN A FETUS.

And that is the difference between a baby and a fetus.
 
Hermes said:
I answered you here Jiro: http://www.alldeaf.com/topic-debates/56700-selective-abortion-12.html#post1096153

You prefer following dictionary definitions, and I posted all definitions from National Medical Library.
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Posting a definition is useless when you completely misunderstand that which you have posted. Whether you choose to recognize it or not, medical science agrees with the pro-choice position regarding viability, and in fact they defined it for the legal profession based on the simple fact that a fetus cannot survive without the total and complete support of the host to which it is attached prior to viability, and usually for several weeks following the point at which viability occurs.
 
Ok Hermes and Cheri and all..... let's put away dictionary, encyclopedia, etc for a moment..... Let's use our basic biology knowledge that we have learned from schools.

1. Can you kindly tell me what is the basic nature of parasite and its function?
2. Is it not true that parasite needs a host to survive?
3. Is it not true that if the host dies, the parasite will die as well?

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jillio said:
There you go. So blinded by emotion that they don't even have the concept correct.
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You dont read that is presented to you, do you? You are just looking at the pieces sounds like supporting you so blindly.

Here is the definition of parasitism:

Main Entry: par·a·sit·ism
Pronunciation: par--s-tiz-m, -st-iz-
Function: noun
1 : an intimate association between organisms of two or more kinds; especially : one in which a parasite obtains benefits from a host which it usually injures
2 : PARASITOSIS

MedlinePlus: Medical Dictionary
(National library of medicine, just type fetus, parasite and parasitism there)
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You want fetus to be a parasite. No scientific data, or dictionary, or any respected scientist support your notion.


You can find rest of the definitions and conclusions from them at this post if you already didnt read it:
http://www.alldeaf.com/topic-debates...ml#post1096153

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jillio said:
No, dear, you are ignoring the whole picture. Taking mother's milk or formula in no way resembles being connected physically to a female's body. A neonate that receives formula or mother's milk is taking nutrition independently. It is not dependent upon the female's circulatory system, cardiac system, digestive system, blood supply, and respiratory system, not to mention reproductive system, for existence.

A father can feed a baby, a brother can feed a baby, a sister can feed a baby, a baby sitter can fweed a baby. ONLY A FEMALE HOST CAN SUSTAIN A FETUS.

And that is the difference between a baby and a fetus.
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I'm not talking about bodies, I'm talking about surviving. It does not matter if a fetus is adapted inside it's mother to keep it alive and developing. It's the same way as when you bring a baby in the world, you have to keep it alive and developing too by feeding the newborn, making sure the newborn is not being bombarded by viruses, bacteria etc. It doesn't make a fetus less of a human being just because a fetus is adapted to the mother.
 
notice the word "USUALLY." It does not means ALWAYS as in 100%. Fetus does actually "injure" mother (the host) in a way. It drains mother of nutrition and energy. It can endanger mother's well-being which is why abortion is needed.
 
Jiro said:
Ok Hermes and Cheri and all..... let's put away dictionary, encyclopedia, etc for a moment..... Let's use our basic biology knowledge that we have learned from schools.

1. Can you kindly tell me what is the basic nature of parasite and its function?
2. Is it not true that parasite needs a host to survive?
3. Is it not true that if the host dies, the parasite will die as well?

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All true, Jiro.
 
Cheri said:
I'm not talking about bodies, I'm talking about surviving. It does not matter if a fetus is adapted inside it's mother to keep it alive and developing. It's the same way as when you bring a baby in the world, you have to keep it alive and developing too by feeding the newborn, making sure the newborn is not being bombarded by viruses, bacteria etc. It doesn't make a fetus less of a human being just because a fetus is adapted to the mother.
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If you don't talk about the female's body, then you can't talk about the survival of a fetus. Without a female's body, there is no fetus.

And that is why one is a fetus, and the other is a baby. And that is why women legally have a choice to terminate a preganancy, but not to neglect or kill their newborn.
 
shel90 said:
Never heard of people burying miscarried fetuses. I seriously doubt they were proper or formal burials if people do bury their miscarried fetuses. :dunno:
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I know that occasionally they would examine the miscarriage fetus to see what the cause of death is, especially in later months.
 
Hermes said:
You dont read that is presented to you, do you? You are just looking at the pieces sounds like supporting you so blindly.

Here is the definition of parasitism:



You want fetus to be a parasite. No scientific data, or dictionary, or any respected scientist support your notion.


You can find rest of the definitions and conclusions from them at this post if you already didnt read it:
http://www.alldeaf.com/topic-debates...ml#post1096153

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No, sweetie, I read thoroughly. But obviously you don't. No one here wants a fetus to be parasitic in nature. Desire doesn't have anything to do with it. The hard fact is a fetus is of a parasitic nature. Show me a case of a pregnancy that has been conceived and full gestated outside the support of a woman's body. You cannot do it, because one does not exist.
 
Byrdie714 said:
I know that occasionally they would examine the miscarriage fetus to see what the cause of death is, especially in later months.
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Yes, and this is of particular importance for genetic malformations.
 
Jiro said:
notice the word "USUALLY." It does not means ALWAYS as in 100%. Fetus does actually "injure" mother (the host) in a way. It drains mother of nutrition and energy. It can endanger mother's well-being which is why abortion is needed.
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It can also raise blood pressure, create life threatening edema, cause diabetes, and create hormonal changes that in fact, damage other internal organs of the mother.
 
Hermes said:
Ok I ignore all those facts and call it a baby, you ignore them all and call it a parasite.. I think we both need to live with that. :P

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I am not ignoring medical, scientific, biological fact. I am stating it. You are ignoring it.
 
Cheri said:
It may be a parasite to you when you don't want it. It is a baby when you do. ;)
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First of all, stop misquoting people. Jiro said "parasitic nature", not parasite. And no matter is you want it or not, it is what it is. Just because you want it doesn't exert some magical force that automatically changes it into something it isn't.
 
Jiro said:
lol!!! touche! :cool2:
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Hardly. I am a mother, I wanted my son very much, and he was still of a parasitic nature when he was dependent upon my body for existence. Wanting a baby doesn't automatically turn one into an illogical thinker that ignores fact.
 
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