Declaration of Occupy Wall Street

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Daredevel7 said:
But doesn't that imply that it's not THEIR fault? You've implied that it was a risk they are taking so therefore it's their fault, so in theory, they shouldn't get mad at anyone, except themselves.

Shouldn't they stick it up, take it like a man, and get a lower paying job anyway to pay off the loans? Maybe pick up some of those vacant labor jobs left by illegals in Alabama? ;)

Imagine that!! A pre-med picking cotton. Now that's a sight to see.
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Why such a low opinion of cotton pickers? Or dishwashers? Cooks? Etc. Many pre-med students are IDIOTS and only in for the bucks.
 
Daredevel7 said:
But doesn't that imply that it's not THEIR fault? You've implied that it was a risk they are taking so therefore it's their fault, so in theory, they shouldn't get mad at anyone, except themselves.

Shouldn't they stick it up, take it like a man, and get a lower paying job anyway to pay off the loans? Maybe pick up some of those vacant labor jobs left by illegals in Alabama? ;)

Imagine that!! A pre-med picking cotton. Now that's a sight to see.
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It's their fault for taking the gamble.....there is the option to work your way through. *shrug* I don't blame the Wynn for my blackjack losses. It was my choice to walk in. I once made $6 for 60 hours of work because I way underbid the amount of labor I needed for a job. I didn't call other contractors and tell them they had to pay me money because their jobs worked out that week and mine didn't :lol: Real World 101. We make choices. Sometimes they work out and sometimes they don't. BTW since I put 101 in there you all owe me $1700 for tuition.

Oh, and it's Dr. Golfer
 
Daredevel7 said:
But doesn't that imply that it's not THEIR fault? You've implied that it was a risk they are taking so therefore it's their fault, so in theory, they shouldn't get mad at anyone, except themselves.

Shouldn't they stick it up, take it like a man, and get a lower paying job anyway to pay off the loans? Maybe pick up some of those vacant labor jobs left by illegals in Alabama? ;)

Imagine that!! A pre-med picking cotton. Now that's a sight to see.
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Beowulf said:
Why such a low opinion of cotton pickers? Or dishwashers? Cooks? Etc. Many pre-med students are IDIOTS and only in for the bucks.
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I have done all three of those jobs.(in high school) Picking cotton sucks. Picking okra sucks too
 
Not all colleges are sky high expensive. I am talking about any college, not just the Ivy League ones. so, if i got a degree and was not able to get hired because of the economy not doing well, it's all my fault?

It's this suggestion of blaming grads for having the audacity to get an education so they can get a decent job and support themselves and their families that I find so weird and puzzling.
 
DeafCaroline said:
Not all colleges are sky high expensive. I am talking about any college, not just the Ivy League ones. so, if i got a degree and was not able to get hired because of the economy not doing well, it's all my fault?

It's this suggestion of blaming grads for having the audacity to get an education so they can get a decent job and support themselves and their families that I find so weird and puzzling.
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They are blamed for having debt....not an education :)
 
There are sadly only two aspects to it. It's either 'be smart' (ambiguous term) and major in what the world needs, which I think TXgolfer is trying to say, or it's "it's the economy, it's a tough world" perspective that a few of you are saying.

There's a third, which is do things your own way and become successful, or win the lottery, but I think that's extraneous of the discussion at hand.
 
Ummm ... so far, nobody has mentioned that illegal immigrants are the reason they can't find work .... and why tuition skyrocketed .... but please, continue and ignore my interjection :wave:
 
Steinhauer said:
Ummm ... so far, nobody has mentioned that illegal immigrants are the reason they can't find work .... and why tuition skyrocketed .... but please, continue and ignore my interjection :wave:
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Another "illegal" mention. Well done. How about those Texas Rangers!
 
TXgolfer said:
vilified....held accountable.... whatever
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only rich kids should go into law, medicine, dentistry, I guess. Let's keep poor people poor. if they take out loans to try to step up in life then the economy fails, hold them accountable for their irresponsible actions while rich kids get a free ride.

whatever.
 
DeafCaroline said:
only rich kids should go into law, medicine, dentistry, I guess. Let's keep poor people poor. if they take out loans to try to step up in life then the economy fails, hold them accountable for their irresponsible actions while rich kids get a free ride.

whatever.
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Oh really? I am not rich so that means my kids cant go to law school or medical school? :(
 
shel90 said:
Oh really? I am not rich so that means my kids cant go to law school or medical school? :(
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I think everyone should be given a fair chance and that student loans shouldn't be so cost-prohibitive and so high in interest as to make it more difficult for poor people to elevate themselves economically speaking. Medicine, law, dentristy, those are the most expensive programs in college. A student could work full time, or even work three jobs and still not be able to afford such programs without a loan. And if they had to work three jobs, they wouldn't have time to study to do well in such programs.

But if the economy is really bad, they can't get jobs to put themselves through college and they shouldn't get loans because they can't get jobs to pay them off. It's messed up. Only ones who don't have to worry about all of this are rich kids whose parents can afford their tuition and lodgings.
 
DeafCaroline said:
only rich kids should go into law, medicine, dentistry, I guess. Let's keep poor people poor. if they take out loans to try to step up in life then the economy fails, hold them accountable for their irresponsible actions while rich kids get a free ride.

whatever.
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Rich kids still have to pay the tuition. *shrug* Those kids could always apply for scholarships and grants plus work. And, there is always the military. Barnes and Noble has a large section on how to pay for college, a loan is only one option.
 
For doctors, dentists, and lawyers (for examples), how much is the average loan amount, and how long does it take them to pay the loan back, and at how much per month?

Same question for teachers.

I'm trying to get an idea of how much indebtedness is involved.

My grandsons are beginning to look into college, so I'm very interested. One wants to be a pharmacist, and the other wants to be an engineer. (Of course, they could change their minds before they start school but that's their current interest.)

One of my nephews just got his bachelor's degree in math, and is teaching now while also attending a master's program. Most of his education was paid for with scholarships and grants, with his parents paying the rest. (They are not rich, by any stretch of the imagination.)

Another one of my nephews will be graduating from a master's program this December. It was paid for (100%) by the state because it's for an occupation that the state needs. He has to pay back the state by working for them for a year within that field.

Another nephew (yes, I have all nephews and grandsons--no girls), got his bachelor's degree in music, paid for by scholarships and parents. His parents were no way rich. He worked for a while on a cruise ship, then joined the Air Force. The Air Force will pay for his master's degree.
 
Reba said:
For doctors, dentists, and lawyers (for examples), how much is the average loan amount, and how long does it take them to pay the loan back, and at how much per month?

Same question for teachers.

I'm trying to get an idea of how much indebtedness is involved.

My grandsons are beginning to look into college, so I'm very interested. One wants to be a pharmacist, and the other wants to be an engineer. (Of course, they could change their minds before they start school but that's their current interest.)

One of my nephews just got his bachelor's degree in math, and is teaching now while also attending a master's program. Most of his education was paid for with scholarships and grants, with his parents paying the rest. (They are not rich, by any stretch of the imagination.)

Another one of my nephews will be graduating from a master's program this December. It was paid for (100%) by the state because it's for an occupation that the state needs. He has to pay back the state by working for them for a year within that field.

Another nephew (yes, I have all nephews and grandsons--no girls), got his bachelor's degree in music, paid for by scholarships and parents. His parents were no way rich. He worked for a while on a cruise ship, then joined the Air Force. The Air Force will pay for his master's degree.
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I didn't mean you have to be rich to go to college at all. Or that one can't work their way through college but for the most expensive degrees, one either needs loans, grants, scholarships and/or rich parents, even if they had jobs.


I know this is probably the most expensive medical school in USA but holy moly....it's three times the amount I originally assumed.

According to Harvard's website - one needs on average 73,000$ a year to attend medical school.

Harvard Medical School: Costs
 
DeafCaroline said:
I didn't mean you have to be rich to go to college at all. Or that one can't work their way through college but for the most expensive degrees, one either needs loans, grants, scholarships and/or rich parents, even if they had jobs.


I know this is probably the most expensive medical school in USA but holy moly....it's three times the amount I originally assumed.

According to Harvard's website - one needs on average 73,000$ a year to attend medical school.

Harvard Medical School: Costs
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You left out the Military....
 
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