Declaration of Occupy Wall Street

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DeafCaroline said:
well, you see, if the economy hadn't collapsed, those graduates would have found work. it's not about making poor career choices.
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"gimme gimme gimme"
 
Daredevel7 said:
I even know someone who had to resort to go to medical school in Puerto Rico because it's much cheaper there.

Some people may think "Now, that's a smart guy. He knows he can't afford medical school in the US, but he mitigated risk and found a way to become a doctor for less."

But then again, they also might think "Dumb ass gave US money to another country when our schools really need it!!!! And who knows what standards Puerto Rico has in their "medical schools"!! I'm never going to a doctor who was educated by some 3rd world country!"

Sigh....
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You do know that Puerto Rico is not a foreign country, right?
 
DeafCaroline said:
self-entitlement how? going to school, getting a degree so they can support themselves? I am not understanding what you mean exactly.
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expecting to get a job after graduating from college. I'm glad that this state of economy happened because it's a sorely-needed wake-up call for all but also at same time, I hope it gets better for all too.
 
Jiro said:
expecting to get a job after graduating from college. I'm glad that this state of economy happened because it's a sorely-needed wake-up call for all but also at same time, I hope it gets better for all too.
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Unless it was engineered by the super-rich.
 
Jiro said:
expecting to get a job after graduating from college. I'm glad that this state of economy happened because it's a sorely-needed wake-up call for all but also at same time, I hope it gets better for all too.
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well, of course people expect to get a job after graduation. That's why they went to college. You can barely get employed with just a high school diploma.
 
DeafCaroline said:
well, of course people expect to get a job after graduation. That's why they went to college. You can barely get employed with just a high school diploma.
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I don't believe in that kind of self-entitlement. That's why they couldn't find a job. nobody wants to hire useless bunch with self-entitlement attitude.
 
Jiro said:
I don't believe in that kind of self-entitlement. That's why they couldn't find a job. nobody wants to hire useless bunch with self-entitlement attitude.
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I wouldn't hire a Harvard graduate if he thinks his degree warrants paying him through my nose. :roll:
 
Jiro said:
I don't believe in that kind of self-entitlement. That's why they couldn't find a job. nobody wants to hire useless bunch with self-entitlement attitude.
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going to college and getting an education so they can get a good job and be a productive member of society makes them self-entitled and useless?

mm-kay.
 
Daredevel7 said:
Okay. Here is more information. Both of them are engineering degrees. Both of them did not work while they were in college. Basically, they both "gambled".

One won, one didn't.

I agree with you though. School loans ARE a gamble, but it pisses me off that the winners are perceived "smart" while the losers are told "Well, it's your fault. You gambled and it screwed you over. Deal with the consequences."

See my point?
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That's just how gambling goes....some win and some lose. If grads want to be angry I would suggest they turn their anger toward the schools that are hoarding major cash (See Texas) or paying ridiculous pensions (see Cal). That would make sense to me.
 
TXgolfer said:
That's just how gambling goes....some win and some lose. If grads want to be angry I would suggest they turn their anger toward the schools that are hoarding major cash (See Texas) or paying ridiculous pensions (see Cal). That would make sense to me.
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so grads who can't get hired due to failing economy should blame the schools?

uhhh....
 
Daredevel7 said:
True, but geez, can't they accept that some (I'd even say MOST) people who take out school loans ARE just damn lucky, not smart about their finances?!
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I almost put that in the last respone...... But there are things one can do to increase their chances (career path) and lessen the risk (State College) if they are going to gamble with loans.
 
TXgolfer said:
That's just how gambling goes....some win and some lose. If grads want to be angry I would suggest they turn their anger toward the schools that are hoarding major cash (See Texas) or paying ridiculous pensions (see Cal). That would make sense to me.
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But doesn't that imply that it's not THEIR fault? You've implied that it was a risk they are taking so therefore it's their fault, so in theory, they shouldn't get mad at anyone, except themselves.

Shouldn't they stick it up, take it like a man, and get a lower paying job anyway to pay off the loans? Maybe pick up some of those vacant labor jobs left by illegals in Alabama? ;)

Imagine that!! A pre-med picking cotton. Now that's a sight to see.
 
Daredevel7 said:
I even know someone who had to resort to go to medical school in Puerto Rico because it's much cheaper there.

Some people may think "Now, that's a smart guy. He knows he can't afford medical school in the US, but he mitigated risk and found a way to become a doctor for less."

But then again, they also might think "Dumb ass gave US money to another country when our schools really need it!!!! And who knows what standards Puerto Rico has in their "medical schools"!! I'm never going to a doctor who was educated by some 3rd world country!"
Sigh....
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:lol:
 
This whole thing about college grads and directions in employment during the past ten years thing has been a thought of mine for a long time. It's a pity that humanity on earth has came to a point where money speaks first and human lives have to adjust, plus revolve around to sectors where the money is located unless they intend to live a less glamorous, unpolished life.

Slowly going are the days of painters, artistic culture, animal hobbyists, biologists (general biology), historians, philosophers, theologists, sociologists, you get the idea. They are replaced by business managers, accountants, nurses, engineers, computer scientists, and so on.

Even in/organic chemistry is struggling, because humankind only wants the working chemists, not bright minds who end up with a position of teaching.

Any major shunned upon in modern day college is pretty much an indication of the direction of where the money is, and what people have to do to pursue it. Perhaps Joe was always a ceramic sculptor at heart, but he has to pursue nuclear engineering in order to live sufficiently by his means, or support a family. He might not even like what he does, but what choice does he have?

I have this neo-age thought that one day we will drop this whole money / self-wealth world we live in, in turn for a credit-rewards system where a day's job is paid in the amount of credits, and those credits are redeemed for the necessary materials for life. Like, ~100 credits for groceries, 100,000 credits for a house in a major area, 30,000 credits for a vehicle, so on. The difference between that system and our current world is that the work you do generates the credits, and everyone at the least is rewarded a level of credit according to the amount of work they do.

It separates the need for alienating and creating a gap between income distribution. An immediate example I can see this being put to use is the International Space station where I'm kinda confident there is no currency system on there. All the astronauts are expected to work, and work earns you a place to sleep and eat at the minimum.

If we ever reach the point of space colonization, I'm pretty sure this credit-type worth system will be one of the first few things enacted creating equal opportunity for everyone.

The only problem is when it gets overpopulated like here on earth, and the need to distinguish different things between people appear, that's when it gets tough..
 
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