Declaration of Occupy Wall Street

[Jiro]

Decorated?

you are welcome to your opinion. and notice that I have never mocked your opinion. you did.

 

[Jiro]

It doesn't look decorated to me.

How about desecrated?

why? it's originally a statue that represents businessperson. It's not originally a 9/11 statue. period.

you know very well that it's very common for people to decorate any statue for any event.

desecrated and defacement are the terms to be used where people RUINED the statue or similar that usually result in permanent damage - graffiti, pissing on it, burning it, removing it from its spot, etc.

 

[Jiro]

some random quote - "Why is it that as soon as politicians get elected they believe our money belongs to them?"

 

[Reba]

why? it's originally a statue that represents businessperson. It's not originally a 9/11 statue. period.

It's meaning has gone beyond it's original purpose. It represents much more now to those who lost loved ones in 9/11. What's the purpose in offending those people? How does it help anyone's cause to desecrate the statue and offend those to whom it is important?

you know very well that it's very common for people to decorate any statue for any event.

Decorate, maybe. But this isn't an example of decoration. Decoration is to improve the appearance or to honor the object's representation or event.

desecrated and defacement are the terms to be used where people RUINED the statue or similar that usually result in permanent damage - graffiti, pissing on it, burning it, removing it from its spot, etc.

Desecrate and deface are two different words. Check the dictionary. Desecration is not always permanent. For example, the American Flag can be desecrated by throwing it on the ground but that's not permanent. It can be picked up and flown again.

Some people consider putting a mask and trash on a statue as desecrating it. It dishonors the representation.

 

[Reba]

Hence very appropriate. That statue wasn't made in honor of 9/11.

Not originally but it has become a symbol for survivors.

The way I see it, that "defacement" is an artistic statement to all Americans and I find it very powerfully symbolic.

If the original artist wants to make a statement with his work, that's fine.

I mean, what's worse? A bandana on a statue or millions who lost their homes and jobs because of Wall street bankers - like that statue.

I don't think anyone said that desecrating the statue was worse than people losing their homes. Who said the statue represents an unethical Wall Street banker?

 

[Beowulf]

Still not addressing the issues. Side squabbles only distract from the real issues. People who derail discussions with personal attacks and strawmen don't have a real argument. Don't take the bait.

Bingo. Ho hum.

 

[DeafCaroline]

Not originally but it has become a symbol for survivors.


If the original artist wants to make a statement with his work, that's fine.


I don't think anyone said that desecrating the statue was worse than people losing their homes. Who said the statue represents an unethical Wall Street banker?

Redundant

Ok, I just think we keep focusing on things like a bandana on a statue instead of what the message was...which is the entire economy of America resting in the hands of Wall Street bankers who care more about lining their pockets than keeping the economy stable and afloating. There's definitely an inherent responsibility for both government and Wall Street to practice responsibility for the sake of the country and unfortunately, they failed. The Americans have the right to hold both the government and Wall Street accountable for their actions.

That's the beauty of America, the beauty of democracy, the beauty of freedom of speech. It should be exercised, not suppressed and shamed into silence.

People around the world who do not live in countries that are democratic envy the western countries where people actually have the freedom to speak up when something's wrong and not be afraid of persecution or worse. When I was in Iraq, I befriended a young man who lived down the street. He first thought I was American and he went on and on and on about lucky Americans are to live in America where one is never afraid of being taken out the back and being shot for standing up for their rights or speaking up when government is in the wrong. It really affected me for this was the era of Saddam, and people were terrified to say anything, even to friends, in case they got reported.

I think the big picture keeps gettig overlooked here when one posts a photo of a guy shitting or of a statue that has a bandana on it. Oh well.

 

[DeafCaroline]

Not originally but it has become a symbol for survivors.


If the original artist wants to make a statement with his work, that's fine.


I don't think anyone said that desecrating the statue was worse than people losing their homes. Who said the statue represents an unethical Wall Street banker?

Artists re-interpret art all the time and I think the original artist who was commissioned to make that statue would have been flattered and impressed that his statue has been used to send a very powerful message - more powerful than it ever did before - first it was just a statue, then symbolic of 9/11 survivors and now symbolic of occupy wall street - what history this statue has taken on!

. I wonder who the original artist is and what he thinks if he or she is still alive.

 

[deafskeptic]

Hmm....

Let me ask you something.

There are two people of the exact same educational background. One decides to work in a public sector (lower salary) and the other decides to work in a private sector (higher salary). The person who works in the private sector got laid off due to the economy, but not the one in the public sector (a VERY VERY common scenario here in Huntsville). Do you think the person who worked in the private sector made a bad decision of not choosing a "stable career"?

I guess my brother did the right thing by working for EPA as a computer system analyst and and ditto for my little sister starting out as a Second grade teacher and then getting an administrative position in the administrative section of the education dept. My nephew on the other hand, decided to take on the public sector and he's suffering for it.

 

[deafskeptic]

Artists re-interpret art all the time and I think the original artist who was commissioned to make that statue would have been flattered and impressed that his statue has been used to send a very powerful message - more powerful than it ever did before - first it was just a statue, then symbolic of 9/11 survivors and now symbolic of occupy wall street - what history this statue has taken on!

. I wonder who the original artist is and what he thinks if he or she is still alive.

Hmm that's a thought. I guess the statue can take on any meaning that the people around it wish to bestow on it. I think that may have been the intention of the artist.

 

[deafskeptic]

Redundant

Ok, I just think we keep focusing on things like a bandana on a statue instead of what the message was...which is the entire economy of America resting in the hands of Wall Street bankers who care more about lining their pockets than keeping the economy stable and afloating. There's definitely an inherent responsibility for both government and Wall Street to practice responsibility for the sake of the country and unfortunately, they failed. The Americans have the right to hold both the government and Wall Street accountable for their actions.

That's the beauty of America, the beauty of democracy, the beauty of freedom of speech. It should be exercised, not suppressed and shamed into silence.

People around the world who do not live in countries that are democratic envy the western countries where people actually have the freedom to speak up when something's wrong and not be afraid of persecution or worse. When I was in Iraq, I befriended a young man who lived down the street. He first thought I was American and he went on and on and on about lucky Americans are to live in America where one is never afraid of being taken out the back and being shot for standing up for their rights or speaking up when government is in the wrong. It really affected me for this was the era of Saddam, and people were terrified to say anything, even to friends, in case they got reported.

I think the big picture keeps gettig overlooked here when one posts a photo of a guy shitting or of a statue that has a bandana on it. Oh well.

The people who keep bringing up this stuff don't seem to want to address the very real issues that affect us. When issues like this get ignored too long, it can result in a bloody revolution. I would like to see the issues that affect us, young, old, from all walks of life addressed.

 

[TXgolfer]

Redundant

Ok, I just think we keep focusing on things like a bandana on a statue instead of what the message was.

I think the big picture keeps gettig overlooked here when one posts a photo of a guy shitting or of a statue that has a bandana on it. Oh well.

Just wondering..... Is the bandana the only thing you see? No need to answer really.

But nah, the pictures are relevant. It helps to consider the source....

 

[DeafCaroline]

Just wondering..... Is the bandana the only thing you see? No need to answer really.

But nah, the pictures are relevant. It helps to consider the source....

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer
appears to be a black blindfold or gag too....Not to mention the trash.. I find it disrespectful. *shrug*

What do you think of the symbolism of this? a man with a briefcase (1%) blinded (black mask) to the destruction of his work (newspaper, trash in briefcase), and he represents America - bandana on his head.

Although the black mask could also be representative of masked robbers.

No doubt it's symbolic..... But being that it is a 9/11 statue I have a problem with it.

You know I've noticed more than just the bandana. don't be petty.



Yep, the pictures are relevant. all part of history.

 

[Daredevel7]

Not enough information to answer the question. School loans are gambling. The key to gambling is managing risk. People who have direction have lessened their risk. People who have chosen to Business degrees or Engineering degrees have lessened. That still doesn't guarantee success.

IMO it's better to work through college than gamble. Even if it takes a year or longer to graduate at least you have 5-7 years of work history to go along with your degree. That is the person I would want to hire.

So to me it's simple. If one choses to gamble....be informed. And if they fail, that's part of gambling.

Okay. Here is more information. Both of them are engineering degrees. Both of them did not work while they were in college. Basically, they both "gambled".

One won, one didn't.

I agree with you though. School loans ARE a gamble, but it pisses me off that the winners are perceived "smart" while the losers are told "Well, it's your fault. You gambled and it screwed you over. Deal with the consequences."

See my point?

 

[Jiro]

again - this statue represents a businessman. it's a fitting statue for OWS purpose.

 

[sallylou]

It's ok that one guy won't focus because 99 other guys are focused. United we are stronger.

 

[Reba]

Back to the main topic. How has OWS changed the economic crisis in America? Fewer foreclosures? More jobs? Fewer student loan defaults? More crooked executives gone to jail?

Also, how long will the protesters remain in the streets? Is there an established deadline or is it indefinite?

 

[Jiro]

Back to the main topic. How has OWS changed the economic crisis in America? Fewer foreclosures? More jobs? Fewer student loan defaults? More crooked executives gone to jail?

Also, how long will the protesters remain in the streets? Is there an established deadline or is it indefinite?

until government refunds a fair share of corporate bailout back to protestors

and me.

 

[saywhatkid]

Okay. Here is more information. Both of them are engineering degrees. Both of them did not work while they were in college. Basically, they both "gambled".

One won, one didn't.

I agree with you though. School loans ARE a gamble, but it pisses me off that the winners are perceived "smart" while the losers are told "Well, it's your fault. You gambled and it screwed you over. Deal with the consequences."

See my point?

Why is this debated all the time? Conservatives are saying "That ain't my problem" or "Too bad, so sad" and closing their pocketbooks/wallets. It is part of their core philosophy. They prefer to give when and where they choose. They don't want their money to go into a general fund. They want to target, say, NRA or Children's Hospitals, not welfare or SS.

Not taking a personal gripe to you DD7, just using your post to illustrate.

 

[DeafCaroline]

Why is this debated all the time? Conservatives are saying "That ain't my problem" or "Too bad, so sad" and closing their pocketbooks/wallets. It is part of their core philosophy. They prefer to give when and where they choose. They don't want their money to go into a general fund. They want to target, say, NRA or Children's Hospitals, not welfare or SS.

Not taking a personal gripe to you DD7, just using your post to illustrate.

Don't students get loans from banks, not Conservatives or some general welfare fund?