Deaf view on a CI kid... its a bummer..

[Audiofuzzy]

When I feel someone is putting me down, I will speak up. It is up to u if u want to speak up if someone is putting u down but I dont go to others telling them no thanks for not supporting me. I just tell it directly to that person for putting me down and leave others out of it. I am not here to compare who is being put down the most or who is supporting who.

Ok Fuzzy, u win. Now, can we move on to the topic?

PLEASE Shel, it was not my intention or idea to some "WIN".
I simply wanted things for ONCE to be seen for what they really are. That is all.

And the things are - whenever I am trying to speak up - just look around how big pile of phony crap is immediately mounding around me. In the end I am accused of being angry, resentful, of belitling others, starting fights hoped to receive PM for mods.. just to name a few.
what the heck!

And the funniest thing is I am pro ASL, pro deaf culture, pro early implanatation, pro CI, immersion in both worlds, and the whole caboodle.

Like NEECY, I always clearly stated that.
but some people preffer define their opinion about me based on what they "feel", instead of FACTS. but that's just a digression. whatever.

Peace.

Fuzzy

 

[Angel]

Why Maria? what did I do wrong? Don't I have rights to express my opinions, ask questions and ask for explanations just like YOU?



Fuzzy

This is why

9.) No bashing, flaming or harassing other members. Period.

10.) No enticing or provoking other members to cause them to get into trouble.

And I agree with Maria here...

 

[JeepGirl]

Oh wow!!!! THIS IS STILL GOING ON????

GEEZ..nothing new about Audiofuzzy.

 

[Tousi]

Oh wow!!!! THIS IS STILL GOING ON????

GEEZ..nothing new about Audiofuzzy.

Oh, you know her from elsewhere, then?

 

[JeepGirl]

Oh, you know her from elsewhere, then?

I don't know her personally... but from all the post she has posted... nothing new....

 

[Audiofuzzy]

well whathever guys.
I know gutless people will always be gutless people,
so I do not expect anyone of you to have any guts and admit being mistaken about me, or being wrong about me, and surely not offer me due apology.

Fuzzy

 

[Buffalo]

I have never imagined in my wildest dreams that deaf community is such a closed minded, self -serving society. All this butt kissing, patting each others backs when innocent people are being wronged. There is no getting thru to you, is there, people?

I see the hearing community as a closed minded, self-serving society. 1) Refusing to learn sign language even though I learned to speak. 2) Eugenic movement where in some states the laws used to allow parents to have their disabled kids sterilized. You don't believe me? Look up "Mother Father Deaf" by Paul Preston - page 18. 3) Some of us was punished for using sign language. 4) Implanting kids. I see implanting replacing sterilization since the sterilization laws were taken off the books.

Innocent Deaf kids and adults were being wronged big time in the past and now. This is the truth.

NOT ONLY I witnessed it in real life, I stood up in defence of some young hearing girl who was dragged into every stupid telephone conversation as translator. she was distraught, because she was expected to explain what people on the phone wanted, and she was unable to do so because it was too "adult" for her. when I said she is but a child, live her alone they said oh come on it won't hurt her. well sure it won't hurt her. so I guess using kids as free translators all the time is Okay, then.

I have seen some hearing stranger asked a hearing child to do some translation for the child's parent countless times. Heck, once my mother was with me as I need her to drive me to the doctor's office when I was dizzy so the doctor can figure out what was making me dizzy. My mother monopolized the doctor for 20 minutes. I didn't have a chance to asked my questions. On the way home, I asked my mother questions and she couldn't answer any of my questions. That is the last time I saw that doctor. Fortunately, my dizziness disappeared over years.

I am glad that there is relay, VP so the hearing children won't be used as interpreters. The children should be children.

Then why hearing people are expected to change into signing ones while their natural "habitat" is hearing and speaking?

Then why the deaf people are expected to change into speaking ones while their natural "habitat" is deaf and signing?

And this EXACTLY what I am talking about- hearing parents work hard for their deaf children, but they are HUMBLE about it and do not complain about stress.

Many deaf parents do work hard for their hearing children, too. Often they don't complained if their children refused to sign. They know it is the peer pressure from the hearing world.

Hearing parents spend WAY MORE time and effort on their deaf children. Especially those with CI.

Hearing parents can enjoy their deaf children if they sign along with other family members. If the hearing world decided it is worthwhile to sign (Remember Martha's Vineyard?), us deaf people won't be a "burden" on them. Right now, the hearing world is a big burden on us deaf people. (Discrimination, pushing us into menial jobs, not informing us of anything that is very important to us, like health, etc.)

 

[Cloggy]

Give it time, cloggy.......your daughter hasn't even started school yet. You've got many obstacles left for you, and for her.

I know! Isn't that great!
Looking forward to it!

Thanks for the support.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Just for at least once be fair Shel.
You don't even have to say that publicly, I will be satisfied if you will THINK IT, just think it for yourself.

Just look at how I am trying to explain how I feel Liebling is not getting my point. I am trying to get something to her.

The language barrier that is between her and me makes it impossible to communicate well. Contrary to what Liebling thinks, I do get her point, but by her ANSWERS I see she doesn't get mine.
Finally in desperation I found proof for her that she is as not getting me now, as she didn't back then.

And just for that, I am offered a medication for paranoia. Maria asks "innocent question". how does that concerns her, anyway? that was private part for Liebling. She would know what I am talking about.

That is just fanastic example of courtesy and understanding on the part of those who cry of being abused by Cloggy and me.
Love and mercy flowing from your side. Yup.

Fuzzy

*speechless*

I can´t see why you are panic over that confuse with languages between British and American. I thought I convinced you there but I wasn´t realized that you can´t accept it. It shows the best proof is your bitter and angry.

I really have no idea why you can´t accept and then continue to talk about 2 years old subject and then pasted my 2 years old post to threw on my face here and bitch on me over that languages and then label it as language barrier.

I thought I did convinced you at 2 years ago. Now I do it again...

Pork - British language
Ham - American language.

I thought you talked about Ham
http://www.machineshed.com/docs/HamMD.jpg

It has nothing do with language barrier but confused with British and American language.

Example:

Rugby - British langauge
Football - American langauge

Football - British langauge
soocer - American language

Got it?

I sometimes confused those languages and suggest Americans to put "American football" then I will know it´s Rugby.

It doesn´t meant that I misunderstand your posts that´s because I see your post in different way and prefer to post different way than insult/belittle you like what you did to posters here.

Example: You see Cheri´s post as insult post toward hearing parents because your parents are hearing but I see her post different as you.


Now I lost my respect on you total, Fuzzy!!!!!

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Talkin' about cow/pig.. yikes - what does that have to do with CI ?

Yeah,

I thought we talked about CI issues here but she confused pigs with CI... :roll: who language barrier? :roll:

 

[Cloggy]

And here's some irony for you....if he admits his daughter is deaf, and then makes his view of deaf as handicapped so obvious, he obviously sees his daughter as handicapped. And when she gets a bit older and tries to explain her negative experiences to him, he will label them crap. Sad, isn't it?

This conclusion from someone doing a masters....
Are you really... ???? I think you're just bluffing.

Son out of the house.... too much time on your hand.... asking Deaf society "did I do the right thing.."

Sad, really

 

[Liebling:-)))]

An you what's so great about all the CI-nonsense that is produced by the anti-CI gang lately:

I read the crap you are writing, look at my deaf daughter and I'm grinning from face to face..
You suckers are so wrong !!

That's one perfect example..that we all write "crap". That is disregarding our opinions, experiences and concerns. If u dont think that is looking down then I dont know what it is.

This was about when we expressed our concerns, opinions or share our experiences, it is called "crap." Nothing about him and his daughter.

Yes it´s annoy.... It got me part of anger when I read the whole posts since my last post yesterday. It shows itself is their uneducation and ingorant.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Did you say we Deaf People are HANDICAPPED?

MMmmm.... are we DEAF people SUCKERS? Sure if ya like as like i care nah :roll:
look at ya say * I'am grinning from face to face*... Should it say *I'm grinning from ear to ear?

Yeah finally ya admit that you say your *DEAF* daughter

I like your post...

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I am not suprised you don't understand. You picked from my entire, long post something that is convenient to Maria only.

here is the explanation:

I had prolonged discussion with Liebling about hearing, and other things.
I tired to explain something to her and she is not getting it, BUT she thinks she do. She is convinced she do.
So, to illustrate to Liebling what is happening, I showed her part of our old discussion where the same thing happened - she couldn't get my point
for SO LONG, and only when I found the picture to show her what I mean, ONLY THEN SHE UNDERSTOOD.

Now you know why I am talking about pigs here. To remind Liebling how she couldn't understand me back then. as she doesn't now.



BTW, they way you formed your question, shows clearly that you WANTED TO PUT ME DOWN.


Fuzzy

It shows yourself is an ignorant!!!

You talk about EAR and I talk about LANGUAGE SKILL. Why? Because your posts make no sense over ear.. .keep on talk about sound, what exact.. blah blah blah blah... I am not interesting to follow your posts but pick the example of your posts to post in different way... I want to remind you that I am DEAF and has no clue what an exact sound is, but share my positive experience what and how I did with my hearing children, etc. since you asked me question at other thread. All what you keep on repeat about exact sound... blah blah blah... I am very patience with you and tried to change something to explain you the examples... You want me to answer the exact about the sound... How`? I am DEAF!!!!

Now you compared my posts with pig situtation and tried to convince posters that I have the problems with language barriar... NO NO NO... The problem is confused between American and British language over that HAM... example about football, etc. It´s very disrespect of you ignore my explain about confused British and American language which I thought you understood and accept it but I am wrong about you.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

There is medication available to help you with that paranoia.

Yes, she really need it badly.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I thought you asked me why I am talking about pigs here?
what about my reply to this? no comment from you?

Fuzzy

She do not need to say anything because this thread here over pig issues do not relate the title of the thread here. If you want to talk about pig then create a new thread.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Why are you accusing me of starting fight?
All I am doing are endless facts straightening, and explanations of what I REALLY said here or here.

I just proved to you that you were wrong of expecting me to know how you had CI I failure in mind when you reffered to me in your reply to Neecy.
did you apologize?of course not.
I receive nasty personal and unprofessional remarks from Jillio. The rest of you is only to happy to applaud.

Fuzzy

The problem is you are interesting in "Science" etc than accept people´s real life experiences situation. The way of your posts treat us stupidity and belittle us and then accused us to mislead the information, etc. It´s very annoy... Like what Jillo say: Nothing unprofessional at all. In fact, it was a very professional assessment based on your behavior.

 

[CutePommie]

This conclusion from someone doing a masters....
Are you really... ???? I think you're just bluffing.

Son out of the house.... too much time on your hand.... asking Deaf society "did I do the right thing.."

Sad, really

Hey careful what saying here as when your *DEAF* daughter growing up to find out what you been say about us DEAF people will make her feel that you also critize her too because she is DEAF and she will know now that's why you want her to be hear because you are the *DEAF HATER* or she will feel upset because think you will also feel ashame for your daughter is deaf like us.

So please just becareful and dont try to be clever thinking your *DEAF* daughter will not gonna to find out what sort of FATHER you are.

have a nice day

 

[CutePommie]

I like your post...

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I see the hearing community as a closed minded, self-serving society. 1) Refusing to learn sign language even though I learned to speak. 2) Eugenic movement where in some states the laws used to allow parents to have their disabled kids sterilized. You don't believe me? Look up "Mother Father Deaf" by Paul Preston - page 18. 3) Some of us was punished for using sign language. 4) Implanting kids. I see implanting replacing sterilization since the sterilization laws were taken off the books.

Innocent Deaf kids and adults were being wronged big time in the past and now. This is the truth.

I have seen some hearing stranger asked a hearing child to do some translation for the child's parent countless times. Heck, once my mother was with me as I need her to drive me to the doctor's office when I was dizzy so the doctor can figure out what was making me dizzy. My mother monopolized the doctor for 20 minutes. I didn't have a chance to asked my questions. On the way home, I asked my mother questions and she couldn't answer any of my questions. That is the last time I saw that doctor. Fortunately, my dizziness disappeared over years.

I am glad that there is relay, VP so the hearing children won't be used as interpreters. The children should be children.

Then why the deaf people are expected to change into speaking ones while their natural "habitat" is deaf and signing?


Many deaf parents do work hard for their hearing children, too. Often they don't complained if their children refused to sign. They know it is the peer pressure from the hearing world.

Hearing parents can enjoy their deaf children if they sign along with other family members. If the hearing world decided it is worthwhile to sign (Remember Martha's Vineyard?), us deaf people won't be a "burden" on them. Right now, the hearing world is a big burden on us deaf people. (Discrimination, pushing us into menial jobs, not informing us of anything that is very important to us, like health, etc.)

Excellent post...

It really annoy when someone think it´s easy for deaf parents to bring hearing children up than hearing parents to their deaf children because of visit to therapy to therapy etc.

I (deaf mother) accompanied my oldest hearing son to therapy to therapy for in the past.

Anyway, I find sad when the deaf or hearing parents complaint how hard they work on their children that because their children are different as them. For me, I like to help my hearing children without complaint because I want it. It´s not stress/good stress because I want it.