Deaf view on a CI kid... its a bummer..

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Audiofuzzy said:
Why Maria? what did I do wrong? Don't I have rights to express my opinions, ask questions and ask for explanations just like YOU?
Fuzzy
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Oh, yeah ? Like ME ? Well, I expressed my opinions nicely without name callin', or whatever that you did to others such as manipulatin', liar, and so forth. I asked questions nicely, too and I don't revoke others just like you. I even explained nicely as well, not like YOU what you have done to others.

I don't point " YOU " and call that person a NAME CALLIN' or whatsoever. That would make you a bully.
 
Liebling:-))) said:
Yeah,

I thought we talked about CI issues here but she confused pigs with CI... :roll: who language barrier? :roll:
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Yeah, I know. I can see that myself. I think she needs a break from CI forum for couple of days and cool her head off elsewhere.

I know you can speak a few languages in sign language and I think it is awesome ! :hug:
 
You talk about EAR and I talk about LANGUAGE SKILL.
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Not quite. I talked about SOUND, because I wanted explain something to you, and after I that I wanted to explain something else.
It is true that you didn't follow me, but talked about your own thing.


Why? Because your posts make no sense over ear.. .keep on talk about sound, what exact.. blah blah blah blah...
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My posts didn't make sense to you because you didn't understand what I wanted to say.



I am not interesting to follow your posts but pick the example of your posts to post in different way...
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EXACTLY, you are NOT interested in what I have to say - you only want to push your opinion on ME.
If you were interested in what I wanted to say, you'd listen.

This is sad how you never give me chance to actually say something to you.



I want to remind you that I am DEAF and has no clue what an exact sound is,


Yes I know that, and this is why I wanted to explain something to you, and after you understand, from there I wanted to explain something else,
but since you are not interested.. shrug.

but share my positive experience what and how I did with my hearing children, etc. since you asked me question at other thread.
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Yes I know, I never denied that - actually I always praised you for being a great mother.

All what you keep on repeat about exact sound... blah blah blah...
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Yes because I could see you don't get my point -LIKE WITH THE PIG HAM.
Why is that you never believe me? I told you over and over and over - you don't understand about the Ham. And you were like "oh yeah, yeah, I do"! Then I showed you the picture.

and you are doing it again now with different subject. why not believe me?
Sadly, I don't have any picture to prove this time.

I am very patience with you and tried to change something to explain you the examples...
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No, actually you wanted patiently to tell me YOUR POV, not listen to MINE.


You want me to answer the exact about the sound... How`? I am DEAF!!!!
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Exactly, and that is part of what I tried to explain, because I needed that before explain something else.
All you had to do was let me DO IT. Not push your opinion on me.



Now you compared my posts with pig situtation and tried to convince posters that I have the problems with language barriar... NO NO NO...
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I abolutely did not that to convince other posters. That was between me and you. Should I have PM you? You could have tell me to.
I did that to GET YOU TO UNDERSTAND. To remind you how once you were convinced you got my POV but you DIDN'T.

The problem is confused between American and British language over that HAM... example about football, etc.
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I am aware of that, and I agree, but this has nothing to do with WHY I brough this old post up - I brought this back because I wanted to show you YOU DON'T get MY POV.

It´s very disrespect of you ignore my explain about confused British and American language which I thought you understood and accept it but I am wrong about you.
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I DID understand, understand NOW, and always WILL understand and accept about the differences about British and American langauge.


Fuzzy
 
It doesn´t meant that I misunderstand your posts that´s because I see your post in different way and prefer to post different way than insult/belittle you like what you did to posters here.
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Once again, the kind of English -British or American - doesn't matter.
What matter is, when I tell you "Liebling, I can see by your responses to me, you don't get my POV" - and you say "yes I do! yes I do!'
I say "NO Liebling you don't get it, I can see it". You say - "yes I DO! don't twist and manipulate my words, you learn about literacy!"

So, I went back and dig up the old post to PROVE YOU DON'T GET ME.

And you immediately accuse me of being ignorant, belittling and whatever, Fine.



Fuzzy
 
She do not need to say anything because this thread here over pig issues do not relate the title of the thread here. If you want to talk about pig then create a new thread.
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Once again:
I brought back an old thread NOT to talk about pigs or whatever, but to make you Liebling realise that you didn't get my point.
That's all.



Fuzzy
 
This conclusion from someone doing a masters....
Are you really... ???? I think you're just bluffing.
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Actually, Cloggy......
Just think about it. First she boasted about moving a couple states for her son.
Then somebody pointed out how she severed all close relationship her son had by moving away. Immediately another relatives at a new place resurfaced.
I briefly wondered if she is a psychologist, and yes, you guess it :) - of course immediately she became one :)
She claimed to know all about AVT until somebody pointed out it doesn't use sign language. Then immediately she is at Bill Wilkerson Speech and Hearing Center???
If you showed a link about sneezing being beneficial for a deaf development she probaly would immediately come up with having a few degrees on the subject.

I guess after an hour or two on Google, anyone can quickly become an expert....

Fuzzy
 
Once again. Ubeliveable. I just read posts I've missed:

Just the page 7:

She didn't answer my question about lileracy... but denial. It look like that she don't know what she should answer to our questions.
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I'm just thriller that none of these hearing parents here are like you, it seem you would put yourself first before your deaf child, how sad....
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*nodding sadly* I noticed from her posts that the fact come first before deaf child/adult's feeling.
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Fuzzy think "hear" itself help to develop children's language and speech skill.
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Yea and what she isn't aware of is that cochlear implant person and a hearing person are not alike,
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cochlear implant takes some time and a great deal of effort to pick up sounds.
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. It's her problem that she doesn't have the knowledge of how cochlear implant really works.
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The problem is Fuzzy see different than us and think we misunderstand her posts that's because we see different as her.
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What a bunch of bull, and NONE of this is even TRUE!!

What the heck do you guys think talking like that about me? NONE of it it's true! NONE.

Do you realise how pathetic you are in your silly, unfounded assumptions?


and you are suprised I am p..d off ??

Unbefreakingliveable.

Fuzzy
 
Yeah finally ya admit that you say your *DEAF* daughter
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Cloggy ALWAYS admited his daughter is DEAF. Even WITH CI

Shows how much you know.

Fuzzy
 
Audiofuzzy said:
Actually, Cloggy......
Just think about it. First she boasted about moving a couple states for her son.
Then somebody pointed out how she severed all close relationship her son had by moving away. Immediately another relatives at a new place resurfaced.
I briefly wondered if she is a psychologist, and yes, you guess it :) - of course immediately she became one :)
She claimed to know all about AVT until somebody pointed out it doesn't use sign language. Then immediately she is at Bill Wilkerson Speech and Hearing Center???
If you showed a link about sneezing being beneficial for a deaf development she probaly would immediately come up with having a few degrees on the subject.

I guess after an hour or two on Google, anyone can quickly become an expert....

Fuzzy
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It is strange, and let's face it, we hardly keep a profile of anyone, so any claims made are forgotten quickly. Because, one cannot be bothered with going back and find the statement.
Like, she said her son, being so HOH that CI was an option, can use the cellphone. When someone asked her to prove that statement and let her son get in contact with him, she wiggled her way out of it. Actually, she really avoided the subject.... and we forget about it.

Basically, she's here to gather applause for her decision to go into the Deaf world to raise her son. Or is it to get a confirmation that she made the right choice? Seeing all the stories of hoh people and children with CI, I can imagine that she realises that SHE made the decision for her son to grow up deaf. Not her son.

Ah, who cares... She's happy, her son is happy (according to her), so that's good.
 
Cloggy said:

Here's a challenge for you...

Find a post by me where I denied that my daughter was deaf....
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Look you said your daugther WAS deaf huh no she is still DEAF always will be no she is not hearing with CI on. She only can hear when she put her CI on which it doesn't mean she is hearing get it!!
LOL nice try Cloggy.!!! I didn't say that you DENIED. You just wouldn't type* deaf* with capital D.

..look at thread *Why Cochlear Implant Hurt Deaf Culture?*

Post 420/426/431.

You quoted said your daughter hearing. :roll:
 
Excellent post, Buffalo :thumb:

And Cloggy, a numeric of times, You've said "My daughter can hear with cochlear implant" nor "My daughter was deaf but now hears with cochlear implant" with a statement like that can really confused people.

And I don't think jillio made decision for her son be in the deaf world, I think she did it for her son because of who he is and this is what I applause her for. ;)
 
Buffalo said:
I see the hearing community as a closed minded, self-serving society. 1) Refusing to learn sign language even though I learned to speak. 2) Eugenic movement where in some states the laws used to allow parents to have their disabled kids sterilized. You don't believe me? Look up "Mother Father Deaf" by Paul Preston - page 18. 3) Some of us was punished for using sign language. 4) Implanting kids. I see implanting replacing sterilization since the sterilization laws were taken off the books.

Innocent Deaf kids and adults were being wronged big time in the past and now. This is the truth.




I have seen some hearing stranger asked a hearing child to do some translation for the child's parent countless times. Heck, once my mother was with me as I need her to drive me to the doctor's office when I was dizzy so the doctor can figure out what was making me dizzy. My mother monopolized the doctor for 20 minutes. I didn't have a chance to asked my questions. On the way home, I asked my mother questions and she couldn't answer any of my questions. That is the last time I saw that doctor. Fortunately, my dizziness disappeared over years.

I am glad that there is relay, VP so the hearing children won't be used as interpreters. The children should be children.



Then why the deaf people are expected to change into speaking ones while their natural "habitat" is deaf and signing?




Many deaf parents do work hard for their hearing children, too. Often they don't complained if their children refused to sign. They know it is the peer pressure from the hearing world.




Hearing parents can enjoy their deaf children if they sign along with other family members. If the hearing world decided it is worthwhile to sign (Remember Martha's Vineyard?), us deaf people won't be a "burden" on them. Right now, the hearing world is a big burden on us deaf people. (Discrimination, pushing us into menial jobs, not informing us of anything that is very important to us, like health, etc.)
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Excellent post, Buffalo. If people think that we, in the Deaf community, are close minded and selfish, doesnt make sense that many of us have learned oral language to meet their hearing needs but not many of them are willing to learn sign language to meet our needs. That's how many of us see it. I dont think it is selfish on our part..I think it is asking for a compromise.
 
shel90 said:
Excellent post, Buffalo. If people think that we, in the Deaf community, are close minded and selfish, doesnt make sense that many of us have learned oral language to meet their hearing needs but not many of them are willing to learn sign language to meet our needs. That's how many of us see it. I dont think it is selfish on our part..I think it is asking for a compromise.
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That's correct that's all we are asking for.. is a compromise, If we learned their language, how about going half way to meet our needs. ;)
 
Audiofuzzy said:
Cloggy ALWAYS admited his daughter is DEAF. Even WITH CI
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"Was deaf, now hears with CI" Read for yourself in this thread I created a year or two ago. This just to show you how much you know. Deaf with cochlear implants

Cheri said:
Why am I seeing that some CIer's and hearing parents with deaf children stated that their children no longer are deaf, but hearing. Or themselves no longer deaf, but hearing.
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Cloggy said:
Since I am the "owner"of the quote I feel I should response.
Your definition for deaf or hearing is about having mechanical devices that help you to hear. With that in mind, my daugter is deaf.

My definition is about communication, and I wrote that when visual clues are not needed for communication, I defined it as hearing. With that in mind, my daughter can hear.
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I've debate with Cloggy in the previous past tense many number of times, and I remember most of his statement regarding about his daughter.
 
Maria said:
Oh, yeah ? Like ME ? Well, I expressed my opinions nicely without name callin', or whatever that you did to others such as manipulatin', liar, and so forth. I asked questions nicely, too and I don't revoke others just like you. I even explained nicely as well, not like YOU what you have done to others.

I don't point " YOU " and call that person a NAME CALLIN' or whatsoever. That would make you a bully.
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Very true...

Fuzzy,

You think you expressed your opinion like us but you accused us as a liar, mislead/false information, etc... because your books and hearing posters say so. Expression opinion?
 
Audiofuzzy said:
Cloggy ALWAYS admited his daughter is DEAF. Even WITH CI

Shows how much you know.

Fuzzy
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I am here to correct your confused post. It´s WAS, not IS.

Cloggy said that her daughter WAS deaf.
 
Cloggy said:
This conclusion from someone doing a masters....
Are you really... ???? I think you're just bluffing.

Son out of the house.... too much time on your hand.... asking Deaf society "did I do the right thing.."

Sad, really
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Bluffing as in how? Obviously, you don't understand the meaning of the words you are attempting to use. And the comment about deaf peple being handicapped is yours, cloggy, not mine. The conclusion is perfectly logical.

"My daughter is deaf. Deaf people are handicapped. My daughter is handicapped."

Take a couse in logic, dude.

I don't need to ask community if I did the right thing, as the evidence that I did was presented years ago, and continues today. It is you who should be asking that question. Particularly regarding your view of the deaf as handicapped. Loose the bigotry, and the underserved superiority complex based on your hearing status.
 
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