Deaf view on a CI kid... its a bummer..

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Just for at least once be fair Shel.
You don't even have to say that publicly, I will be satisfied if you will THINK IT, just think it for yourself.

Just look at how I am trying to explain how I feel Liebling is not getting my point. I am trying to get something to her.

The language barrier that is between her and me makes it impossible to communicate well. Contrary to what Liebling thinks, I do get her point, but by her ANSWERS I see she doesn't get mine.
Finally in desperation I found proof for her that she is as not getting me now, as she didn't back then.

And just for that, I am offered a medication for paranoia. Maria asks "innocent question". how does that concerns her, anyway? that was private part for Liebling. She would know what I am talking about.

That is just fanastic example of courtesy and understanding on the part of those who cry of being abused by Cloggy and me.
Love and mercy flowing from your side. Yup.

Fuzzy
 
Audiofuzzy said:
You screwed up this one too!

I don't care about your apology to Neecy, I am NOT suggesting you try to twist or manipulate her words and sentences -I AM NOT.

I am asking you HOW in the heck am I supposed to know you asked me about CI failing, where?
in the QUOTE YOU PROVIDED as your "support" what "Fuzzy claims". the QUOTE is NOT ABOUT CI?

Please explain, I want to understand.

Let's analyze:

Angel quoted:



And as to saying - means: somebody is claiming

Nobobody here - No ONE on this board, forum

is recommending -is proposing, suggesting


complete immersion - full aplication, total use only


in deaf culture or ASL -that one is pretty evident- ASL and deaf culture.



and for this, ANGEL replied:

Are you 100% sure? hmm maybe you should re-read Fuzzy's post again...


Please explain, where in this you, Angel suggest it's about Ci failing?
Please also show the post where I recommend FULL IMMERSION IN ASL AND DEAF CULTURE?
How am I supposed to know you here meant CI failing?

PLEASE.
PLEASE SHOW ME WHAT AM I MISSING.


and then, in your reply to my question WHAT IN YOUR OPINION am I recommending according to FULL IMMERSION you replied with this:





What the heck one has to the other? In the first part, the quote is talking about FULL IMMERSION OF ASL AND DEAF CULTURE.
and as proof That I am pro that, you quoted my opinion on PARENTS USE OF ASL? a completely unrelated subject...?

I can't make tails or heads out of it. Please explain.

Fuzzy
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Wow, I think you need nice long vacation.....:ugh3:


This is gonna to be my last post to you because all you're trying to do is start a fight and I'm not interesting hon.....
 
Put you down ? How do you know that for sure ?
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I thought you asked me why I am talking about pigs here?
what about my reply to this? no comment from you?

Fuzzy
 
Audiofuzzy said:
Whatever. So he got finally angry, too. Do you want me to dig out quotes where Cloggy was abused by some of you. too?

I personally was reffered to as "Audiofucker" and told to f..k off, shown fingers, put in straightjacket, recommended therapy for EXPRESSING and defending MY VIEWS and POV.

As for Cloggy and his signing I was talking in general. You don't have to apply everything to you personally.

Fuzzy
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You seem to.
 
Audiofuzzy said:
Just for at least once be fair Shel.
You don't even have to say that publicly, I will be satisfied if you will THINK IT, just think it for yourself.

Just look at how I am trying to explain how I feel Liebling is not getting my point. I am trying to get something to her.

The language barrier that is between her and me makes it impossible to communicate well. Contrary to what Liebling thinks, I do get her point, but by her ANSWERS I see she doesn't get mine.
Finally in desperation I found proof for her that she is as not getting me now, as she didn't back then.

And just for that, I am offered a medication for paranoia. Maria asks "innocent question". how does that concerns her, anyway? that was private part for Liebling. She would know what I am talking about.

That is just fanastic example of courtesy and understanding on the part of those who cry of being abused by Cloggy and me.
Love and mercy flowing from your side. Yup.

Fuzzy
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Now I am totally lost!! What does your question to me and my answer to you have to do with Liebling and Maria??

Well, those mean comments werent right. If u want me to tell those people they were wrong for saying those stuff to u, then say it instead of making all these comments about how everyone picks on u. If u want me to make posts to tell them that they are wrong, all u had was to tell me. Yes, those comments were mean but I am not responsible for what other people say to u.
 
This is gonna to be my last post to you because all you're trying to do is start a fight and I'm not interesting hon.....
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Why are you accusing me of starting fight?
All I am doing are endless facts straightening, and explanations of what I REALLY said here or here.

I just proved to you that you were wrong of expecting me to know how you had CI I failure in mind when you reffered to me in your reply to Neecy.
did you apologize?of course not.
I receive nasty personal and unprofessional remarks from Jillio. The rest of you is only to happy to applaud.

Fuzzy
 
Audiofuzzy said:
Just for at least once be fair Shel.
You don't even have to say that publicly, I will be satisfied if you will THINK IT, just think it for yourself.

Just look at how I am trying to explain how I feel Liebling is not getting my point. I am trying to get something to her.

The language barrier that is between her and me makes it impossible to communicate well. Contrary to what Liebling thinks, I do get her point, but by her ANSWERS I see she doesn't get mine.
Finally in desperation I found proof for her that she is as not getting me now, as she didn't back then.

And just for that, I am offered a medication for paranoia. Maria asks "innocent question". how does that concerns her, anyway? that was private part for Liebling. She would know what I am talking about.

That is just fanastic example of courtesy and understanding on the part of those who cry of being abused by Cloggy and me.
Love and mercy flowing from your side. Yup.

Fuzzy
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No, dear, you were offered medicationfor accusing people of being "out to get you!" Perhaps it is you that has a problem understanding what is written.
 
Yikes, Fuzzy. :ugh:

I am hopin' that one of the moderators will PM you.
 
Audiofuzzy said:
Why are you accusing me of starting fight?
All I am doing are endless facts straightening, and explanations of what I REALLY said here or here.

I just proved to you that you were wrong of expecting me to know how you had CI I failure in mind when you reffered to me in your reply to Neecy.
did you apologize?of course not.
I receive nasty personal and unprofessional remarks from Jillio. The rest of you is only to happy to applaud.

Fuzzy
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Nothing unprofessional at all. In fact, it was a very professional assessment based on your behavior.
 
:ugh: @ Fuzzy's bitching/whining ranting.

One more thing, Cloggy and I don't have any conflicts with each others. His opinion is just different than mine, But I'm sure he doesn't hold a grudge the way you do.
 
I know that my opinions here may of be no consequence to some, but I am going to state them anyway...
To the person who said that in the movie "Sound and Fury" there were no hearing paretns who taught their child sign language... ( I am paraphrasing right now).. Well, you are wrong, because I AM ONE OF THOSE parents....
I am a CODA... I have learned to sign before I learned to speak... I went to Speech Therapy for many years because I sounded like a deaf person..... I was and am my parents interpreter, advocate, etc. I was the child who grew up without a childhood...I was the "parent' and my parents were my children.... Because of my parents deafness, they were completely immeeresed in the Deaf world, but never once (while I was growoing up ) would come and interact with my friends, go to a football game with me to see me dance, come to a concert to see me sing............My parents (now my parent ) is Deaf and proud.. With that came a very high price..... I understand my mother's frustration with the "hearing world"... I understand her resentment... My dad didn't learn sign language until he was in his teens... my mother was one of the children who would have her hands slapped if she signed............... I swore that if I had a child who was deaf I would immediately place him/her in a bi-bi program..........Thought at the time that it would be the best choice................

Then I had a child who was deaf, and EVERYTHING changed. I did my research, as well as my husband... We talked with the experts.... We did sign to my child..........And we decided for ur, the best option would be to have him implanted............

My son is now 9 and speaks very well..Do I care?? No, I ma AMAZED and grateful that there is this technology that will help him. HE is still deaf...........but as I have said earlier, his deafness does not define who he is........He knows that he is deaf and says to me all the time that he is LUCKY>>>>>>>>>> He has the best of both worlds..... I don't regret my decision for a minute...... I am grateful for what he has accomplished and contintues to do so.... I get soo frustrated with people who say their way is better. there are many on this board that are extreme............Too many actually to count... but then there are people like Shel who try to understand ....

I know I am babbling....... but I just wanted to say my peace before I go and pick up my deaf, ci son (along with his 3 other brothers) at football practice...........Life is good.
 
doubletrouble said:
I know that my opinions here may of be no consequence to some, but I am going to state them anyway...
To the person who said that in the movie "Sound and Fury" there were no hearing paretns who taught their child sign language... ( I am paraphrasing right now).. Well, you are wrong, because I AM ONE OF THOSE parents....
I am a CODA... I have learned to sign before I learned to speak... I went to Speech Therapy for many years because I sounded like a deaf person..... I was and am my parents interpreter, advocate, etc. I was the child who grew up without a childhood...I was the "parent' and my parents were my children.... Because of my parents deafness, they were completely immeeresed in the Deaf world, but never once (while I was growoing up ) would come and interact with my friends, go to a football game with me to see me dance, come to a concert to see me sing............My parents (now my parent ) is Deaf and proud.. With that came a very high price..... I understand my mother's frustration with the "hearing world"... I understand her resentment... My dad didn't learn sign language until he was in his teens... my mother was one of the children who would have her hands slapped if she signed............... I swore that if I had a child who was deaf I would immediately place him/her in a bi-bi program..........Thought at the time that it would be the best choice................

Then I had a child who was deaf, and EVERYTHING changed. I did my research, as well as my husband... We talked with the experts.... We did sign to my child..........And we decided for ur, the best option would be to have him implanted............

My son is now 9 and speaks very well..Do I care?? No, I ma AMAZED and grateful that there is this technology that will help him. HE is still deaf...........but as I have said earlier, his deafness does not define who he is........He knows that he is deaf and says to me all the time that he is LUCKY>>>>>>>>>> He has the best of both worlds..... I don't regret my decision for a minute...... I am grateful for what he has accomplished and contintues to do so.... I get soo frustrated with people who say their way is better. there are many on this board that are extreme............Too many actually to count... but then there are people like Shel who try to understand ....

I know I am babbling....... but I just wanted to say my peace before I go and pick up my deaf, ci son (along with his 3 other brothers) at football practice...........Life is good.
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Thank you for sharing that with us. I know your decision was not made lightly. Your son is an extremely lucky boy to have a parent who understands that exposure to both worlds is important for him. I don't think you'll find many here on AD who are anti-CI. We are simply portrayed that way because we are opposed to a strict oral, no exposure to Deaf Culture existence for a deaf child. It doesn't have anything to do with CI.

I wish your son the best, and much continued success.
 
Now I am totally lost!! What does your question to me and my answer to you have to do with Liebling and Maria??

Well, those mean comments werent right. If u want me to tell those people they were wrong for saying those stuff to u, then say it instead of making all these comments about how everyone picks on u. If u want me to make posts to tell them that they are wrong, all u had was to tell me. Yes, those comments were mean but I am not responsible for what other people say to u.
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It's in relation to this Shel:

That's one perfect example..that we all write "crap". That is disregarding our opinions, experiences and concerns. If u dont think that is looking down then I dont know what it is.
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Do you see any ONE person who is not picking apart and disregarding MY opinion, looks down on me? just how many times Jillio (who has no business to comment every single time I talk to YOU or ANGEL or anyone else) berated me up to this point? I don't see her doing it to ANYBODY ELSE. nor I see anyone to tell her to stop it, on the contrary! - she got applaused by double laughing gifs. yeah, so funny, hahahaha.


You complain of being looked down upon? Well, open your eyes and see what's happening to me. When somebody called me Audiofucker and told me to f.off, what happened? he got supported for insulting me! did anybody run to report HIM for using foul langauge on me? pffftt!
I just wanted to point your attention to the fact how the anti-Ci side is supporting each other, and high-five each other whenever they manage to put me or someone like me down, regardless if they are right or wrong.
I don't see any overwhelming support nor understanding for me or someone like me. why do you complain, then?


But what is even more important - no one seem to care I am just trying to get my point accros. It doesn't matter anyway. Whatever I say, whatever I do - it's been established prior that it will be wrong.

I don't need you or anybody to tell these people they were wrong - I just want them to be HONEST, and stop spreading false information about me. Fuzzy said this, Fuzzy did that.
I just proved that somebody was wrong about me - and see what happens - she is reporting me to the mods, already. how pathetic.



No, dear, you were offered medicationfor accusing people of being "out to get you!" Perhaps it is you that has a problem understanding what is written.
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I do NOT accuse anyone of "OUT TO GET ME". I do not FEEL anyone is out to get me.
Please STOP spreading false information about you.


Nothing unprofessional at all. In fact, it was a very professional assessment based on your behavior.
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You are no professional. Real professional would NOT add to the already bad blood, flaming, general confusion and distress among members.

Fuzzy
 
doubletrouble said:
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To the person who said that in the movie "Sound and Fury" there were no hearing paretns who taught their child sign language... ( I am paraphrasing right now).. Well, you are wrong, because I AM ONE OF THOSE parents..
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You were on "Sound and Fury 2000"? Which parents are you in that movie?
 
doubletrouble said:
I know that my opinions here may of be no consequence to some, but I am going to state them anyway...
To the person who said that in the movie "Sound and Fury" there were no hearing paretns who taught their child sign language... ( I am paraphrasing right now).. Well, you are wrong, because I AM ONE OF THOSE parents....
I am a CODA... I have learned to sign before I learned to speak... I went to Speech Therapy for many years because I sounded like a deaf person..... I was and am my parents interpreter, advocate, etc. I was the child who grew up without a childhood...I was the "parent' and my parents were my children.... Because of my parents deafness, they were completely immeeresed in the Deaf world, but never once (while I was growoing up ) would come and interact with my friends, go to a football game with me to see me dance, come to a concert to see me sing............My parents (now my parent ) is Deaf and proud.. With that came a very high price..... I understand my mother's frustration with the "hearing world"... I understand her resentment... My dad didn't learn sign language until he was in his teens... my mother was one of the children who would have her hands slapped if she signed............... I swore that if I had a child who was deaf I would immediately place him/her in a bi-bi program..........Thought at the time that it would be the best choice................

Then I had a child who was deaf, and EVERYTHING changed. I did my research, as well as my husband... We talked with the experts.... We did sign to my child..........And we decided for ur, the best option would be to have him implanted............

My son is now 9 and speaks very well..Do I care?? No, I ma AMAZED and grateful that there is this technology that will help him. HE is still deaf...........but as I have said earlier, his deafness does not define who he is........He knows that he is deaf and says to me all the time that he is LUCKY>>>>>>>>>> He has the best of both worlds..... I don't regret my decision for a minute...... I am grateful for what he has accomplished and contintues to do so.... I get soo frustrated with people who say their way is better. there are many on this board that are extreme............Too many actually to count... but then there are people like Shel who try to understand ....

I know I am babbling....... but I just wanted to say my peace before I go and pick up my deaf, ci son (along with his 3 other brothers) at football practice...........Life is good.
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No, you are not babbling, in fact you are making more sense then most, myself included! Thanks for sharing and am so glad that all is going well.
Rick
 
Audiofuzzy said:
It's in relation to this Shel:



Do you see any ONE person who is not picking apart and disregarding MY opinion, looks down on me? just how many times Jillio (who has no business to comment every single time I talk to YOU or ANGEL or anyone else) berated me up to this point? I don't see her doing it to ANYBODY ELSE. nor I see anyone to tell her to stop it, on the contrary! - she got applaused by double laughing gifs. yeah, so funny, hahahaha.


You complain of being looked down upon? Well, open your eyes and see what's happening to me. When somebody called me Audiofucker and told me to f.off, what happened? he got supported for insulting me! did anybody run to report HIM for using foul langauge on me? pffftt!
I just wanted to point your attention to the fact how the anti-Ci side is supporting each other, and high-five each other whenever they manage to put me or someone like me down, regardless if they are right or wrong.
I don't see any overwhelming support nor understanding for me or someone like me. why do you complain, then?


But what is even more important - no one seem to care I am just trying to get my point accros. It doesn't matter anyway. Whatever I say, whatever I do - it's been established prior that it will be wrong.

I don't need you or anybody to tell these people they were wrong - I just want them to be HONEST, and stop spreading false information about me. Fuzzy said this, Fuzzy did that.
I just proved that somebody was wrong about me - and see what happens - she is reporting me to the mods, already. how pathetic.






I do NOT accuse anyone of "OUT TO GET ME". I do not FEEL anyone is out to get me.
Please STOP spreading false information about you.




You are no professional. Real professional would NOT add to the already bad blood, flaming, general confusion and distress among members.

Fuzzy
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When I feel someone is putting me down, I will speak up. It is up to u if u want to speak up if someone is putting u down but I dont go to others telling them no thanks for not supporting me. I just tell it directly to that person for putting me down and leave others out of it. I am not here to compare who is being put down the most or who is supporting who.

Ok Fuzzy, u win. Now, can we move on to the topic?
 
Audiofuzzy said:
It's in relation to this Shel:



Do you see any ONE person who is not picking apart and disregarding MY opinion, looks down on me? just how many times Jillio (who has no business to comment every single time I talk to YOU or ANGEL or anyone else) berated me up to this point? I don't see her doing it to ANYBODY ELSE. nor I see anyone to tell her to stop it, on the contrary! - she got applaused by double laughing gifs. yeah, so funny, hahahaha.

Just because people disagree with you does not mean they are picking on you. And, if you don't see me being sarcastic with anyone else, its only because you haven't looked. And, what I said was funny!


You complain of being looked down upon? Well, open your eyes and see what's happening to me. When somebody called me Audiofucker and told me to f.off, what happened? he got supported for insulting me! did anybody run to report HIM for using foul langauge on me? pffftt!
I just wanted to point your attention to the fact how the anti-Ci side is supporting each other, and high-five each other whenever they manage to put me or someone like me down, regardless if they are right or wrong.
I don't see any overwhelming support nor understanding for me or someone like me. why do you complain, then?

There you go agian, fuzzy. If you want others to respect you,then you must respect them. Respect must be earned, and you've done nothing to earn mine at this point. Example...still labeling me anti CI when nothing could be further from the truth. If you want support, stop feeling so damned sorry for yourself, and act like a civil human being.


But what is even more important - no one seem to care I am just trying to get my point accros. It doesn't matter anyway. Whatever I say, whatever I do - it's been established prior that it will be wrong.

I don't need you or anybody to tell these people they were wrong - I just want them to be HONEST, and stop spreading false information about me. Fuzzy said this, Fuzzy did that.
I just proved that somebody was wrong about me - and see what happens - she is reporting me to the mods, already. how pathetic.






I do NOT accuse anyone of "OUT TO GET ME". I do not FEEL anyone is out to get me.
Please STOP spreading false information about you.

You posted that someones only purpose or intent was to put you down when nothing oculd be further fromthe truth. That is accussing someone of being out to get you, no matter you choose to read it.



You are no professional. Real professional would NOT add to the already bad blood, flaming, general confusion and distress among members.

Ah, but fuzzy. Recommending that you get meds and therapy was to relieve the distress you cause not only yourself, but others. Therefore, it was a very ethical thing to do according to the guidelines of my profession.
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I know that my opinions here may of be no consequence to some, but I am going to state them anyway...
To the person who said that in the movie "Sound and Fury" there were no hearing paretns who taught their child sign language... ( I am paraphrasing right now).. Well, you are wrong, because I AM ONE OF THOSE parents....
I am a CODA... I have learned to sign before I learned to speak... I went to Speech Therapy for many years because I sounded like a deaf person..... I was and am my parents interpreter, advocate, etc. I was the child who grew up without a childhood...I was the "parent' and my parents were my children.... Because of my parents deafness, they were completely immeeresed in the Deaf world, but never once (while I was growoing up ) would come and interact with my friends, go to a football game with me to see me dance, come to a concert to see me sing............My parents (now my parent ) is Deaf and proud.. With that came a very high price..... I understand my mother's frustration with the "hearing world"... I understand her resentment... My dad didn't learn sign language until he was in his teens... my mother was one of the children who would have her hands slapped if she signed............... I swore that if I had a child who was deaf I would immediately place him/her in a bi-bi program..........Thought at the time that it would be the best choice................

Then I had a child who was deaf, and EVERYTHING changed. I did my research, as well as my husband... We talked with the experts.... We did sign to my child..........And we decided for ur, the best option would be to have him implanted............

My son is now 9 and speaks very well..Do I care?? No, I ma AMAZED and grateful that there is this technology that will help him. HE is still deaf...........but as I have said earlier, his deafness does not define who he is........He knows that he is deaf and says to me all the time that he is LUCKY>>>>>>>>>> He has the best of both worlds..... I don't regret my decision for a minute...... I am grateful for what he has accomplished and contintues to do so.... I get soo frustrated with people who say their way is better. there are many on this board that are extreme............Too many actually to count... but then there are people like Shel who try to understand ....

I know I am babbling....... but I just wanted to say my peace before I go and pick up my deaf, ci son (along with his 3 other brothers) at football practice...........Life is good.
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Hi and welcome to Alldeaf :)
Thank you for sharing your experience with us. I think it's terrific that you chose both worlds for your son - in our days and times I think this is the best that can be.
I am very sorry for your lost childhood. I think you are great person and particularly great daughter to be so understaning toward you parents, and not hold it against them.

Indeed, if we may know who you are please let us know. Although from what you've described, I think I know who you are.


I wish your son continuing success with CI, and good luck to your whole family :)

Fuzzy
 
Yikes, Fuzzy.

I am hopin' that one of the moderators will PM you.
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Why Maria? what did I do wrong? Don't I have rights to express my opinions, ask questions and ask for explanations just like YOU?



Fuzzy
 
doubletrouble said:
Because of my parents deafness, they were completely immeeresed in the Deaf world, but never once (while I was growoing up ) would come and interact with my friends, go to a football game with me to see me dance, come to a concert to see me sing............
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Thanks for your contribution. It was an interesting read. Is it common for CODAs to feel that way about their deaf parents i.e. that they would not be involved in their childrens' activities in the hearing world? I am a deaf adult with a hearing daughter so it's interesting to see your perspective.

I think for me, that's one of the things I like about having access to CI technology after my residual hearing got a lot worse. It does allow to to have greater access to my daughter's world - for example if she takes up musical instruments at school, I'd like to be able to hear what she has created at a concert or recital. I'm not at all musical but I suppose if it involves my daughter, I want to be a part of it because it's a part of her. I suppose that is where some people are coming from here with the desire to see hearing parents learn some form of sign.
 
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