Deaf view on a CI kid... its a bummer..

[Liebling:-)))]

Yea and what she isn't aware of is that cochlear implant person and a hearing person are not alike, cochlear implant takes some time and a great deal of effort to pick up sounds. It doesn't make you hear just like that when you snap your finger. It takes a lot of practice to learn how to hear through the cochlear implant. It's her problem that she doesn't have the knowledge of how cochlear implant really works.

Yes, that's correct.

I aware that the sound of CI, HA and hearing are not similar but they need their parent's help/support to develop.

The CI/HA users consider themselves as normal people who can speak and hear anything on the phone and deal at both world. I am not really interesting what and how exact difference sound between HOH and hearing people but mainly important is they are happy and can hear anything...

I am only against when anyone think CI users are being consider the same as hearing people.

 

[Angel]

I'm not even asking or telling you to thrown your beliefs down their throats, But, remind nor encourage the parents to use both communication skills that is available to them to use with their child isn't going to hurt anyone. If I had a blind child, I would take any advices from a person who had a blind child. That's me.

Exactly, none of us were doing that either, and I agreed on the part where you said " If I had a blind child.... " that's what I would do too....

 

[Cheri]

That is not ALL I think, though - you ASSUMED this is what I think, the way you ASSUMED about Neecy,

even though Neecy ALWAYS said the same thing over and over. ALWAYS. same as me.
nobody pays attention to what she says, though. or me or Cloggy or Rick, for that matter. like I've said- everybody are looking for what they WANT to see.

And.. You never did any of that? Every person on this board had assumed, misunderstood even yourself, Fuzzy.

It wasn't even necessary to point fingers at certain members, when You can't understand their posts, and another member cannot understand yours. Everyone reads differently. Sometimes people are not being clear on their point of view, All this person can do it explain their point of view a little bit better next time. How hard can that be?

It seems to me even so that you get ticked off so easy. Maybe this forum isn't for you. Learn to control your temper. Hummm?

 

[Liebling:-)))]

And.. You never did any of that? Every person on this board had assumed, misunderstood even yourself, Fuzzy.

It wasn't even necessary to point fingers at certain members, when You can't understand their posts, and another member cannot understand yours. Everyone reads differently. Sometimes people are not clear on their point of view, All this person can do it explain their point of view a little bit better next time. How hard can that be?

See the example of her post...:

She see your post different and claimed that you insult hearing parents because her parents are hearing which we see your post different than her.

Misunderstood? *shrug*

 

[Cheri]

See the example of her post...:

She see your post different and claimed that you insult hearing parents because her parents are hearing which we see your post different than her.

Misunderstood? *shrug*

Ahh Yea, Thanks for pointing that out.

 

[Angel]

I am sorry Angel but I am confused here - I am asking
1/
""How is that related to my general opinion of.... """

RELATED -

Main Entry: related
Function: adjective
Date: circa 1663
1 : connected by reason of an established or discoverable relation
2 : connected by common ancestry or sometimes by marriage
3 : having close harmonic connection —used of tones, chords, or tonalities
— re·lat·ed·ly adverb
— re·lat·ed·ness noun


and
2/
- why is it assumed that non-signing parent will not let his child sign?


and you are sending me off to signing classes?

I don't understand?

Fuzzy

No, not you, the non-signing parents , IF the hearing parents does not know sign language, then they should learn it so they can teach their CI children sign language because without their implants they're still deaf...

 

[Liebling:-)))]

No, not you, the non-signing parents , IF the hearing parents does not know sign language, then they should learn it so they can teach their CI children sign language because without their implants they're still deaf...

Yes, that's right many hearing parents take signing class lesson and contact deaf people at family club that's where I was member when my both boys were babies. I withnessed them in real life... how to expose their deaf children... It's their decision either they implant their child with CI or wear HA on them... All what we help them how to develop deaf children with language skill...

The problem is Fuzzy see different than us and think we misunderstand her posts that's because we see different as her. *sigh*

 

[Angel]

They can use gestures invented by and comprehensible for both the child and the parent. They can draw pictures, they can write if the child is old enough to read, they can speak directly into their ear if possible, they can speak with careful lip movement. That's for starters.

Whats wrong with sign language? It's fun for the whole family...

 

[Angel]

Yes, that's right many hearing parents take signing class lesson and contact deaf people at family club that's where I was member when my both boys were babies. I withnessed them in real life... how to expose their deaf children... It's their decision either they implant their child with CI or wear HA on them... All what we help them how to develop deaf children with language skill...

The problem is Fuzzy see different than us and think we misunderstand her posts that's because we see different as her. *sigh*

Exactly Liebling ....

 

[Angel]

they can speak directly into their ear if possible

How is that possible? when they can not hear without their implants...

 

[Liebling:-)))]

How is that possible? when they can not hear without their implants...

Yes I know *sigh*

the problem is we talk different... All what she talk about is EAR itself...

Oh Well..

 

[Angel]

Yes I know *sigh*

the problem is we talk different... All what she talk about is EAR itself...

Oh Well..

You know what so funny? Someone here mentions of trying to correct mistruths or false statement, yet they only going after us folks not those who are defending these hearing parents...I don't get it..

 

[jillio]

Whats wrong with sign language? It's fun for the whole family...

What I don't stand is why a parent would be satisfied using all home signs that aren't a true language when they have a completely developed, linguistically correct language available to them----ASL. Using home signs doesn't help the child to develop language uise, and does not assist them in developing English skills. ASL does.

 

[shel90]

How is that possible? when they can not hear without their implants...

My mom tried speaking to me in my ear when my HA batteries were out. Couldnt hear her at all..LOL! I am sure that would go the same for children with implants..without their implants, they will hear nothing unless the parents scream in their ear.

 

[Audiofuzzy]

Would you please refrain from making assumptions ...*I* already apologized to Neecy because I misunderstood her post , there's no way I was trying to manipulating or twisting her sentences....

You screwed up this one too!

I don't care about your apology to Neecy, I am NOT suggesting you try to twist or manipulate her words and sentences -I AM NOT.

I am asking you HOW in the heck am I supposed to know you asked me about CI failing, where?
in the QUOTE YOU PROVIDED as your "support" what "Fuzzy claims". the QUOTE is NOT ABOUT CI?

Please explain, I want to understand.

Let's analyze:

Angel quoted:

And as to saying that nobody here is recommending complete immersion in deaf culture or ASL -

And as to saying - means: somebody is claiming

Nobobody here - No ONE on this board, forum

is recommending -is proposing, suggesting


complete immersion - full aplication, total use only


in deaf culture or ASL -that one is pretty evident- ASL and deaf culture.



and for this, ANGEL replied:

Are you 100% sure? hmm maybe you should re-read Fuzzy's post again...


Please explain, where in this you, Angel suggest it's about Ci failing?
Please also show the post where I recommend FULL IMMERSION IN ASL AND DEAF CULTURE?
How am I supposed to know you here meant CI failing?

PLEASE.
PLEASE SHOW ME WHAT AM I MISSING.


and then, in your reply to my question WHAT IN YOUR OPINION am I recommending according to FULL IMMERSION you replied with this:

This >

Originally Posted by Audiofuzzy
I for one, don't think a hearing parent is REQUIRED to learn sign language.
Fuzzy

What the heck one has to the other? In the first part, the quote is talking about FULL IMMERSION OF ASL AND DEAF CULTURE.
and as proof That I am pro that, you quoted my opinion on PARENTS USE OF ASL? a completely unrelated subject...?

I can't make tails or heads out of it. Please explain.

Fuzzy

 

[Cloggy]

Shel,
Could you post your life-story in a separate thread.?

 

[Cloggy]

WOW...

SO many posts...

and so many of them in serious denial about CI...

Some don't want children to have it because they never had it themself,
Some need to get confirmation from the Deaf world that the choice NOT to implant the child was a good one,
Some don't like it because of being scared for any operation,
Some just need to confirm to themself over and over again that there are only bad sounds....

Time to face reality.!!
When you're deaf, you are handicapped. (you're missing a sense..)
A stage in the process of acceptance is denial. ("life is better without hearing..)
Living with deafness does not exclude wanting to hear..

An you what's so great about all the CI-nonsense that is produced by the anti-CI gang lately:

I read the crap you are writing, look at my deaf daughter and I'm grinning from face to face..
You suckers are so wrong !!

 

[shel90]

Shel,
Could you post your life-story in a separate thread.?

nope cuz I wont do anything for someone who looks down on my views and experiences.

 

[Audiofuzzy]

Liebling, see here, please;

08-09-2005, 12:46 PM #59 (permalink)
Audiofuzzy
Registered User


Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 1,275 Ok, Liebling. I have no way to check by myself what German pet food is made of so I have to believe you.
But just so you know, the word "meat" written on the label on a can or dry food may mean anything, It may mean exactly the scraps I've mentioned and sometimes it says "meat meal" which still is not the choice meat but some better parts of an animal (very little of it) but labelling this way make the consumer thinks it's meat.
That's why I said research german sites that check what really is in pet food.
If really from good parts (prime meat) then I'll want you to send me your pet food here I pay

BTW the canned food here looks like it have parts of "meat", too.


Oooops you completely misunderstood. I was reffering to animal parts, not the end products. I am sorry for being unclear.
I meant - do you think pet food is made from parts of animal like ham, steak, sirloin- raw, unprepared cuts?

I understand you prefectly but I can't convince how different system we have in our countries.

You completely, completely DO NOT understand what I mean!

No ham in pet foods because they are made with salt.

I am not talking about this:


I am talking about the PART of animal that a ham is made of.


No steak/sirloin in pet foods but beef/pork.

Steak and sirloin is beef.
http://www.uglybrothers.net/RECIPES/rtlcuts.jpg

And that exaclty I am talking about- there is no that kind of meat in pet food.
No steak, no hams, raw or cooked.

Did you know that steak/sirloin related part of cow or pig?

Now I had to laugh Liebling, because all that time I am trying to explain what parts of a cow or pig I am talking about, and you ask me if I know..

I hope you understand now- there is no steak and sirloin parts of a cow or pig in pet food.
That's why I am trying to convey most.

AND YOUR REPLY:

thank you for correction about ham... I confused those American langagues. I thought you mean Ham... I wasn´t realize that you mean different... Thank you for clarify

I´m sorry to misunderstand you over ham... Occhhh!!!

THAT is what I am talking about.

THIS is what is happening all over again.

Take note, in the cat food discussion HOW LONG it TOOK ME to get you understand!
if I haven't thought of pictures you would NEVER get it.

yet look, look, look,

on now TWO FULL pages already there are new and FALSE assumptions are made about me by many people!!.



And both the funniest and saddest at once is this:

I agreed, that's one reason why I don't read all her posts....

and I am sure more people is like that - yet they KNOW! my opinions better than me!. must be clairvoyant....

and THIS is crowning it all:

You know what so funny? Someone here mentions of trying to correct mistruths or false statement, yet they only going after us folks not those who are defending these hearing parents...I don't get it..

yeah... if only YOU would open your mind for a minute you would realise how hoplessly wrong you are.

Fuzzy

 

[Audiofuzzy]

nope cuz I wont do anything for someone who looks down on my views and experiences.

You know I'm curious... why would you assume someone will look down upon it? because you see it happening again and again, like for Cloggy, for example?

Fuzzy