deaf 2 years old kids wear CI

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etalton said:
Having only become deaf within the last year, I am the first to admit I don't understand ASL. Having been hearing for so long, and having a grandmother that was an English teacher, I had "proper English grammar" drummed into me since I was a child. Therefore, I don't always understand posts from those that only communicate using ASL. When I first read the start of this thread, I felt those choosing CI's were being attacked. Gut reaction. I didn't comment, as I realized I could be wrong and the fact that I didn't comment was the best choice.
Reading further, I realized it wasn't an attack on those wearing CI's but anger and frustration from a parent who's child was hurting. A deaf child should be taught ASL, with or without a CI. Actually, it would be great if it was offered as a second language in mainstream schools. My oldest learned some while in Kindergarten as the teacher had a deaf child. She still remembers the little she learned.
All that being said, given the fact that choosing a CI can be a touchy subject to start with, it is not surprising that someone with a CI felt threatened and responded to their own gut reaction.
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shel90 said:
Sometimes, in many cases, I think they should cuz it is the children who are being deprived of language access at home and at the school which can adversly affect them for a lifetime especially in the area of literacy development. The child ends up living a life of poverty unable to support him or herself ..all because the parents make the decisions using their hearing point of view.
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that may be true for some children, but it's not the case for all. remember, there *are* ci success stories of children who strictly use the oral only approach.
 
damienmommy said:
heyhey, i did said that but i don't means to hate ci, I just feel upset and said that. which I don't meant it. Someone said kids with ci is still deaf. But I think, why didn't kids with ci learn the signs if they want kids attend in deaf program or go to deaf school or being in deaf community. They teach kids how to talk as oral, not signs, then why they are in deaf program? That what I don't understand.

And they telling me that my son is in wrong school huh..that school used to have kids who know signs, but now this year, none..just him. and they telling me that son should be move other school..so I feel like they trying to replace the kids with ci with oral only to move in this deaf program and my son should go to other school. That's offended me.
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It's unfortunate that times changed now unlike it was in their past over there. CIs are fire-spreading out of control those days... I don't care much for those teens and above who choose CIs, really BUT I do mind with those toddlers which is the difference. (on CI-only approach only, I meant)
 
jillio said:
She is simply asking a question about why the CI children who are not using sign in any form are not in an oral environment, such as a mainstreamed one with hearing kids.
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exactly what I trying to say.
 
damienmommy said:
heyhey, i did said that but i don't means to hate ci, I just feel upset and said that. which I don't meant it. Someone said kids with ci is still deaf. But I think, why didn't kids with ci learn the signs if they want kids attend in deaf program or go to deaf school or being in deaf community. They teach kids how to talk as oral, not signs, then why they are in deaf program? That what I don't understand.

And they telling me that my son is in wrong school huh..that school used to have kids who know signs, but now this year, none..just him. and they telling me that son should be move other school..so I feel like they trying to replace the kids with ci with oral only to move in this deaf program and my son should go to other school. That's offended me.
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I understood what you were trying to say in your first post. Maybe those who understood you right on the spot are fluent in ASL and understand the implications of a situation like yours and knew you were just venting but your words came out as if you were attacking CI users. That was how the whole drama with people thinking others are attacking them began. If people took the time to ask you what you mean by that then the whole thing could have been avoided.
 
damienmommy said:
heyhey, i did said that but i don't means to hate ci, I just feel upset and said that. which I don't meant it. Someone said kids with ci is still deaf. But I think, why didn't kids with ci learn the signs if they want kids attend in deaf program or go to deaf school or being in deaf community. They teach kids how to talk as oral, not signs, then why they are in deaf program? That what I don't understand.

And they telling me that my son is in wrong school huh..that school used to have kids who know signs, but now this year, none..just him. and they telling me that son should be move other school..so I feel like they trying to replace the kids with ci with oral only to move in this deaf program and my son should go to other school. That's offended me.
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As a parent with a Deaf child, I understand how frustrating it is to try to get appropriate services and the right kind of education for your child. I have no idea where my daughter would be if a brave group of (mostly Deaf) parents hadn't stood up to the school for the Deaf 10 years ago and said "Enough is enough, our children need a different kind of school". We are very lucky that we have a bi-bi school where all Deaf kids are welcome, and that everyone uses ASL as the means of communication.
I think that people were asking what kind of school your child was in, not because they thought he shouldn't be there, but to see if it was an oral-only, TC, or bi-bi school.
 
web730 said:
I concur. It's just unfortunate situation about those deaf children in other end even despite we agree that it's their parents' rights to decide so. Like we discussed before in other thread, it's high time to educate those parents about the methods and such along with the truths, etc.

I'm glad that damienmommy foresee the problem at his son's school which she wasn't pleased. Ah, times has changed over there so I think it's better for them to find other school to fit their wish well.
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well, i think children with ci's have just as much a right to attend a deaf school as any other child. after all, the child is still deaf.
 
web730 said:
It's unfortunate that times changed now unlike it was in their past over there. CIs are fire-spreading out of control those days... I don't care much for those teens and above who choose CIs, really BUT I do mind with those toddlers which is the difference. (on CI-only approach only, I meant)
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Again, by waiting to do a CI until teen years, you are choosing to have it work less successfully. While I have mixed feelings on very early implantation, (6-8 months old) the research shows that earlier is better. Please, do not judge parents who make very well informed decisions for their children.
 
web730 said:
It's unfortunate that times changed now unlike it was in their past over there. CIs are fire-spreading out of control those days... I don't care much for those teens and above who choose CIs, really BUT I do mind with those toddlers which is the difference. (on CI-only approach only, I meant)
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ci's aren't "fire-spreading out of control." it may seem as if every toddler, child and adult has a ci, but that's not the case.
 
Hear Again said:
but where does the problem with socialization (with hearing peers) come in when a child is educated orally? i don't understand. are you talking about a child having difficulties socially because they weren't taught sign? if so, that i *can* understand.
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I just completed a 15 page lit review on just this topic, Hear Again. I'll be glad to send you my references. The findings are very consistent, and I compared findings from programs in the U.S., programs in the U.K., and programs in Sweden.
 
Hear Again said:
well, i think children with ci's have just as much a right to attend a deaf school as any other child. after all, the child is still deaf.
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Of course, I agree with that but I also can see from the OP's point of view...why dont these children understand sign language? It seems to me that the parents or whoever is allowing this to happen are expecting to reform the Deaf schools into oral-only programs? Just my assumption and I could be wrong but it sure feels like it from reading of the OP's description and in addition to my own personal experience of what I am seeing out there in real life.
 
etalton said:
Having only become deaf within the last year, I am the first to admit I don't understand ASL. Having been hearing for so long, and having a grandmother that was an English teacher, I had "proper English grammar" drummed into me since I was a child. Therefore, I don't always understand posts from those that only communicate using ASL. When I first read the start of this thread, I felt those choosing CI's were being attacked. Gut reaction. I didn't comment, as I realized I could be wrong and the fact that I didn't comment was the best choice.
Reading further, I realized it wasn't an attack on those wearing CI's but anger and frustration from a parent who's child was hurting. A deaf child should be taught ASL, with or without a CI. Actually, it would be great if it was offered as a second language in mainstream schools. My oldest learned some while in Kindergarten as the teacher had a deaf child. She still remembers the little she learned.
All that being said, given the fact that choosing a CI can be a touchy subject to start with, it is not surprising that someone with a CI felt threatened and responded to their own gut reaction.
JMHO
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Thank you for taking the time to reread the OP and make the effort to understand what the OP was saying instead of allowing your gut reaction to guide you.
 
jillio said:
I just completed a 15 page lit review on just this topic, Hear Again. I'll be glad to send you my references. The findings are very consistent, and I compared findings from programs in the U.S., programs in the U.K., and programs in Sweden.
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i'd be very interested in reading that, jillio. if you could send that to me via pm, i would appreciate it because i really do want to understand. thanks! :)
 
faire_jour said:
Again, by waiting to do a CI until teen years, you are choosing to have it work less successfully. While I have mixed feelings on very early implantation, (6-8 months old) the research shows that earlier is better. Please, do not judge parents who make very well informed decisions for their children.
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Well, I understand your point about the early auditory development, yes but those who don't teach sign language along is not good enough.

For those parents who were well informed, I am not against therefore... good. But please remember that many of them weren't well informed. fyi
 
shel90 said:
Of course, I agree with that but I also can see from the OP's point of view...why dont these children understand sign language? It seems to me that the parents or whoever is allowing this to happen are expecting to reform the Deaf schools into oral-only programs? Just my assumption and I could be wrong but it sure feels like it from reading of the OP's description and in addition to my own personal experience of what I am seeing out there in real life.
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i honestly don't think parents are trying to turn deaf schools into oral-only environments. after all, it's the deaf schools who are designing curricula that are specifically aimed at children with ci's.

by the way, i agree with you 100% about sign.
 
web730 said:
Well, I understand your point about the early auditory development, yes but those who don't teach sign language along is not good enough.

For those parents who were well informed, I am not against therefore... good. But please remember that many of them weren't well informed. fyi
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Why do you assume that they aren't? Do you spend a lot of time talking to parents of ci users? Do you ask them about the information they got, the things they studied, and the people they talked to?
 
damienmommy said:
heyhey, i did said that but i don't means to hate ci, I just feel upset and said that. which I don't meant it. Someone said kids with ci is still deaf. But I think, why didn't kids with ci learn the signs if they want kids attend in deaf program or go to deaf school or being in deaf community. They teach kids how to talk as oral, not signs, then why they are in deaf program? That what I don't understand.

And they telling me that my son is in wrong school huh..that school used to have kids who know signs, but now this year, none..just him. and they telling me that son should be move other school..so I feel like they trying to replace the kids with ci with oral only to move in this deaf program and my son should go to other school. That's offended me.
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Yes, I understood what you meant when you said those words. And I agree with you. I felt the same frustration when my son was little. And I also agree that it just doesn't make sense.
 
If I could say something...

I got my CI when i was about 8 years old. It's not my parent's decision to get me an CI. I decided that for myself. I decided to get a cochlear implant because I wanted to be able to hear. And From what I know, Most kids decide for themselves if they want one or not. And I think It's important. If you are a parent with a deaf child and you're thinking that you should get your child a cochlear implant..Stop and think for a minute. Ask your child if he or she wants one. Tell him/her that if she wants one, she would have to go through surgery and that it's permament. But I'm not saying that getting a cochlear implant is a bad thing. It can be good too. Like, You're a deaf parent with a deaf child who has a cochlear implant, and that child can be able to do the things that may help you out. I'm 15 years old believe it or not. And I love having a cochlear implant. It's my opinion. But The first thing I wanted to hear when i got my implant was hearing the birds sing, the waves crash, hearing my sister's voice, my mom and dad's voice, the dogs bark, everything that's happening in mother nature. I had to work hard on my cochlear implant to be able to hear things right, to be able to listen to words without having to depend on Closed Captions to make sense to me. Sometimes I use Close Captions. Sometimes I don't. With a cochlear implant can be handy, because In my class we had to watch a video and the video was a few years old and it didn't have captions. And I had to live without it and depend on my cochlear implant. I didn't want to be in a deaf school because I didn't like it. I'm not saying that I'm spoiled and that I should suck up on it for being in a deaf school. I didn't like it because I was so far away from home and there was just signing and having to get up so early in the morning just to go to school. I wanted there to be noises. And so i went back into hearing schools. Having a cochlear implant also helped me with my speech skills. I have improved SO much. When i was 3 I couldn't talk. Now with speech thearpy my parents can't get me to shut the hell up :giggle:

With the help of the cochlear implant, you don't know how much it has totally helped for all of us who has one. Some people don't like it but some people do. I understand that. But you guys can't really complain how you see that a 2 year old child or a 8 year old kid or whatever age has a cochlear implant. You can be happy for them. But don't worry, Having a cochlear implant is NOT going to affect their deaf history on them. I have a hearing family and a Deaf family. I go back and forth. They can do the same too. Even you. I'll admit, If i'm totally annoyed by my sister i'll just shut off my cochelar implant and my hearing aid off and i'm into the deaf world. Thats one thing I like being deaf. And we all have a advantage to that. In my school I have to leave my "ears" on all day. Even though sometimes they hurt me I have to focus on school. And I have to suck it up. But If my "ears" does hurt me then I would ask my interpreter if I could take off my HA or CI for a few mins and she would let me. Because she knows I would have to put them back on eventually. But Please give the cochlear implant arguement a chance? I don't really like it when I see my deaf family fighting over how my deaf family is so Deaf proud. I'm deaf proud too. But I don't make judgements whether I decide for you NOT to have a cochlear implant. How would you feel if your deaf family told you Not to get one and let you be the way you are when you're thinking about having one? That might change your life in a good way forever?? Think about that coming from a 15 year old girl. No matter who I am, I'll always be part of my deaf family and my hearing family. I'm just different by my personality. Not by my ears.
 
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