deaf 2 years old kids wear CI

[LuciaDisturbed]

I am deaf, so my son is deaf too. He rarely wears hearing aids but he doesn't like to have them on for long..maybe just an hour then he take it off. Anyway, I want to share little something..

My son is 2 years old, he goes to school every 2nd Wednesday with about 8 deaf kids there. Most of them got CI, all of them have hearing parents. Kids can talk and can understand what they saying. BUT they doesn't know the signs, just very little bit. My son knows signs and he tried to talk to them but nobody paid attention to him. He feel kinda left out, but he still trying to play with kids.

I just wish kids know more signs and stop use CI or something. I want more deaf people come on the earth. Get big deaf world. but I noticed that there deaf world get small and smaller cuz of got CI and focus on talk voice than learning signs. I want to see my son to have social with kids who know signs and able to communicate with him. Than have son talk to adults all the times. He have deaf family on his dad's side, his cousins is hearing and same as his age, they know signs but he don't seen them everyday but I want to find other kids who live near me that know a lot of signs and same as his age, so he can chat with and play with. :-( I really hate CI, no offense.

Well, place your kid in a state school for the deaf, then. Most state schools for the deaf put emphasis on signing.

 

[damienmommy]

i agree that all kids with or without ci should learn sign even if hearing to communicate with deaf parents. but if my kids is deaf i would put ci on her/him after age 1 and teach her/him to talk AND sign.

Yeah, they should know both talk and signs. because some of parents want put kids with CI in deaf school, but never learn signs. Kids would feel lost and don't understand what most deaf teacher and deaf kids saying in signs. And they might become unhappy and have a hard time to social with deaf people or learn from teacher for education.

Parents said kids wearing CI is still deaf, so they should go to deaf school..but not learn signs..not make sense..Deaf school always use ASL.

 

[damienmommy]

damienmommy, i totally understand how you feel about kids being left out who relys on signing. curious have you ever talk to the teacher about putting him in the class where they can sign more and sit down and talk with teacher. It seems that they didn't have any program for deaf kids who didnt get CIs in deaf school. I feel that is unfair that deaf school is designed for deaf kids who rely on signing and if necessary to be encouraging to learn how to speech which is ok but design for deaf kids who signs. I have trouble understanding how teachers didn't think of deaf kids who didnt have cis and still be in the classroom with other ci kids who relys speaking in the deaf school. that doesnt make sense. the problem is that i am a deaf parent of hearing kids that i dont know much about deaf school. However i know for sure that deaf school is designed for deaf kids who signs and have speech therapy.
If i were you, i would try to talk to teacher to see if they know anything about how deaf kids with no CIs who get furious. If they know then ask them what are their plans to do with deaf kids and deaf kids with cis in the classrooms. they need to consider about what to do with deaf kids who rely on signing as well than focusing on deaf kids with cis too excessive.

Yeah, but my teacher did gave the hearing parents the paper for learning signs. And teacher tried to teach kids with CI to signs, kids ignored the teacher. Teacher was signing to read the book..Kids don't pay attention to teacher. So this school is right place for my kid. It not wrong place.

 

[damienmommy]

It sounds like your child may not be in the right school. Are there other deaf programs you could place your child in that use sign language?

No. It is right school. My friends who is deaf, they went that school when they was 2 years old, like 16 years ago. All kids know signs, but now this year, only one my son out of 8 kids.

 

[damienmommy]

Well, place your kid in a state school for the deaf, then. Most state schools for the deaf put emphasis on signing.

I wish but I couldn't live away from my family. My son need to grew up with family and know who they are.

 

[webexplorer]

I agreed with Oceanbreeze. I am appalled to read Vallee's posts.

My friend who works at a hospital as a nurse, and I was very lucky to have him, and he is not a certificated interpreter. He told me that he is strongly involved with a deaf culture 100 percent which really shocked me. His two little deaf children are amazing, and their parents are hearing. He told me that he and his wife do not want their children to get their CI implanted right away unless their children wish to have one in one day.

It is so important for CI and non-CI children to be involved in a social life. It is a sort of ideal that you are putting your CI child in a segregate school (separated CI and non-CI children) in the future, and then it could be a problem.

I am just saying that there is nothing wrong with CI. There are some controversial on health, education, and social issues related to CI that I won't discuss it here. Again, please use your common sense is that CI and non-CI should be combined for a social life.

Three years ago, I met a nice young lady about 20 years old, and she has a CI. She never taught in sign language, and a deaf woman was at a store. There was a communication problem with something at the store. The lady with CI was not able to communicate with her at all because of no ASL skill. The deaf woman wrote it down a note which was no problem. I was there, and I was embarrassed to see them just because they are "both deaf." What a bummer!

 

[shel90]

No..my friends is about my age, they told me that school is good place for deaf program, and they are too smart..they went to this school when they was 2. My best friend went there too when she was young. In the back, nobody wear CI because of course that time CI sucked but now this year, they got better CI, more techinally more than before which I don't blames them for have CI. So they go to same school where deaf kids used to go there. My son going to school as right one. It not wrong school for him. Just itself world changes, getting less for ASL and more oral coming now, for little kids. which is upset me. Where school that have deaf 2 years old kids who know signs? none. for in this city.[/QUOTE]

That is really a shame.

 

[damienmommy]

Have you asked the parents why they aren't signing? Did they tell you it was because it was too hard, or are you just assuming? Also, are you aure they aren't? How do you know what they do in their own homes? Maybe instead of being angry and judging them for their choices (which will only push them away from the Deaf community and ASL) you could be a resourse for them. Maybe they don't know how to begin to learn ASL. Maybe they need someone to practice with. You could help them find these things.

Again, I would like to say that I don't think this is the right school for your son. If the teacher and the other students are using speech and he can't, it is just unfair for him. He is missing out on social interaction AND his education.

I assumed that. I saw teacher gave paper that learn signs, to some of parents, and one of them said "oh I don't know how to remember all of them" with laughing. so I am sure it look hard to them for learn signs. This school is right one for my son. Teacher did tried to teach them the signs, teacher didnt teach my son how to talk. Teacher keep signs to my son a lot. Kids's parents shocked when they saw me and my son communication with signs. It is their first time to see older deaf person like me. I just hope they would change mind and teach kids the signs too than just talk. One parent is trying to learn signs, she know a little. She told my interpreter that she thought she know a lot of signs than everybody parents but shocked when she saw me signs a lot and said wow that I know many signs than her. She said she gonna try to learn a lot more. I like her, she's nice parent.

 

[webexplorer]

I assumed that. I saw teacher gave paper that learn signs, to some of parents, and one of them said "oh I don't know how to remember all of them" with laughing. so I am sure it look hard to them for learn signs. This school is right one for my son. Teacher did tried to teach them the signs, teacher didnt teach my son how to talk. Teacher keep signs to my son a lot. Kids's parents shocked when they saw me and my son communication with signs. It is their first time to see older deaf person like me. I just hope they would change mind and teach kids the signs too than just talk. One parent is trying to learn signs, she know a little. She told my interpreter that she thought she know a lot of signs than everybody parents but shocked when she saw me signs a lot and said wow that I know many signs than her. She said she gonna try to learn a lot more. I like her, she's nice parent.

Wow!

 

[Hear Again]

Yeah, they should know both talk and signs. because some of parents want put kids with CI in deaf school, but never learn signs. Kids would feel lost and don't understand what most deaf teacher and deaf kids saying in signs. And they might become unhappy and have a hard time to social with deaf people or learn from teacher for education.

Parents said kids wearing CI is still deaf, so they should go to deaf school..but not learn signs..not make sense..Deaf school always use ASL.

actually, more and more schools for the deaf are starting programs specifically designed for students who have ci's, so the curriculum isn't entirely asl based.

instead, they are 100% oral or tc.

 

[shel90]

actually, more and more schools for the deaf are starting programs specifically designed for students who have ci's, so the curriculum isn't entirely asl based.

instead, they are 100% oral or tc.

100% oral or TC? How are those deaf children who do not benifit from their CIs or even those who do get their needs fully met? That's the WHOLE point of the whole thread..the OP is concerned about her son's needs getting met and instead she got attacked. I find that a huge shame.

 

[Hear Again]

100% oral or TC? How are those deaf children who do not benifit from their CIs or even those who do get their needs fully met? That's the WHOLE point of the whole thread..the OP is concerned about her son's needs getting met and instead she got attacked. I find that a huge shame.

whoa, shel. hold on a minute. i'm not attacking anyone here.

in fact, if you read my post in a different thread (it may have even been this one...i can't remember), i said that if i had a d/Deaf child who i decided to implant, i would teach them to listen, speak AND sign. if they struggled with speech therapy, i would drop it immediately in favor of asl.

having said that, if a child with a ci is able to learn 100% via oral means, what is the incentive to learn sign? i'm not saying this is right, but some parents don't feel the need to teach their child sign if they are using oral methods successfully. i've also heard of parents whose children were initially taught asl, but the child was the one who decided to drop the use of sign. what do you do when a child refuses to continue using sign? then what?

again, i'm not trying to be argumentative here. i think ALL ci children should learn sign in addition to oral methodology.

 

[web730]

I agreed with Oceanbreeze. I am appalled to read Vallee's posts.

My friend who works at a hospital as a nurse, and I was very lucky to have him, and he is not a certificated interpreter. He told me that he is strongly involved with a deaf culture 100 percent which really shocked me. His two little deaf children are amazing, and their parents are hearing. He told me that he and his wife do not want their children to get their CI implanted right away unless their children wish to have one in one day.

It is so important for CI and non-CI children to be involved in a social life. It is a sort of ideal that you are putting your CI child in a segregate school (separated CI and non-CI children) in the future, and then it could be a problem.

I am just saying that there is nothing wrong with CI. There are some controversial on health, education, and social issues related to CI that I won't discuss it here. Again, please use your common sense is that CI and non-CI should be combined for a social life.

Three years ago, I met a nice young lady about 20 years old, and she has a CI. She never taught in sign language, and a deaf woman was at a store. There was a communication problem with something at the store. The lady with CI was not able to communicate with her at all because of no ASL skill. The deaf woman wrote it down a note which was no problem. I was there, and I was embarrassed to see them just because they are "both deaf." What a bummer!

After catching up on this topic and is appalled by Vallee, too.

It's something so appalling that those people who are CI-only approach supporters continue failing to admit that they do have difficult social lives later on. Yet they still say it's the better way... so lame of them!

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Damienmommy, keep teaching your son ASL and hope that you will find a better solution (school & social) for him... since this school apparently is heading toward oralism/TC whatever therefore you might need to seek other school, likely.

 

[faire_jour]

After catching up on this topic and is appalled by Vallee, too.

It's something so appalling that those people who are CI-only approach supporters continue failing to admit that they do have difficult social lives later on. Yet they still say it's the better way... so lame of them!

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Damienmommy, keep teaching your son ASL and hope that you will find a better solution (school & social) for him... since this school apparently is heading toward oralism/TC whatever therefore you might need to seek other school, likely.

Wait a sec, I didn't see anyone here saying that oral only was the way to go.

 

[shel90]

whoa, shel. hold on a minute. i'm not attacking anyone here.

in fact, if you read my post in a different thread (it may have even been this one...i can't remember), i said that if i had a d/Deaf child who i decided to implant, i would teach them to listen, speak AND sign. if they struggled with speech therapy, i would drop it immediately in favor of asl.

the only thing i differ on is this: if a child with a ci is able to learn 100% via oral means, what is the incentive to learn sign? i'm not saying this is right, but some parents don't feel the need to teach their child sign if they are using oral methods successfully. i've also heard of parents whose children were initially taught asl, but the child was the one who decided to drop the use of sign. what do you do when a child refuses to use sign? then what?

again, i'm not trying to be argumentative here. i think ALL ci children should learn sign in addition to oral methodology.

I know u werent attacking anyone ..was just asking u how it would work if all Deaf schools or deaf programs became oral only or TC again?

Again, it all goes back to one's definition of what success means. That's where children can easily slip thru the cracks and end up with much more problems later on with literacy, socio-emo development, and etc..

Was just curious of your opinion on it.

 

[shel90]

I assumed that. I saw teacher gave paper that learn signs, to some of parents, and one of them said "oh I don't know how to remember all of them" with laughing. so I am sure it look hard to them for learn signs. This school is right one for my son. Teacher did tried to teach them the signs, teacher didnt teach my son how to talk. Teacher keep signs to my son a lot. Kids's parents shocked when they saw me and my son communication with signs. It is their first time to see older deaf person like me. I just hope they would change mind and teach kids the signs too than just talk. One parent is trying to learn signs, she know a little. She told my interpreter that she thought she know a lot of signs than everybody parents but shocked when she saw me signs a lot and said wow that I know many signs than her. She said she gonna try to learn a lot more. I like her, she's nice parent.

Sounds like a nice parent, inheed! I have met hearing parents like the one you just described.

 

[Hear Again]

After catching up on this topic and is appalled by Vallee, too.

It's something so appalling that those people who are CI-only approach supporters continue failing to admit that they do have difficult social lives later on. Yet they still say it's the better way... so lame of them!

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Damienmommy, keep teaching your son ASL and hope that you will find a better solution (school & social) for him... since this school apparently is heading toward oralism/TC whatever therefore you might need to seek other school, likely.

where do you get the idea that ci users have difficulty socializing in adulthood? i received my first ci at age 34, my second at age 35 and yet i don't have any difficulties with socialization.

 

[Bottesini]

where do you get the idea that ci users have difficulty socializing in adulthood? i received my first ci at age 34, my second at age 35 and yet i don't have any difficulties with socialization.

I think that was referred to oral only approach for deaf children. I am the living example of that.

 

[web730]

Wait a sec, I didn't see anyone here saying that oral only was the way to go.

I know... not the ones posted here but out there.

 

[Hear Again]

I know u werent attacking anyone ..was just asking u how it would work if all Deaf schools or deaf programs became oral only or TC again?

Again, it all goes back to one's definition of what success means. That's where children can easily slip thru the cracks and end up with much more problems later on with literacy, socio-emo development, and etc..

Was just curious of your opinion on it.

oh, okay. thanks for clarifying.

my opinion is that ALL children with ci's should learn sign and have what dd calls a "full toolbox" approach.

however, i also think that each parent has the right to decide for his or her child what communication mode(s) is/are best.

after all, i don't have the right to speak for another parent about what choices are best for their child.