deaf 2 years old kids wear CI

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Hear Again said:
i honestly don't think parents are trying to turn deaf schools into oral-only environments. after all, it's the deaf schools who are designing curricula that are specifically aimed at children with ci's.
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Ehhh...what I am seeing in real life, I am not sure if I share the same feelings as you are. Too many subtle hints are telling me that deep down the parents want oral-only at all times for their children at the Deaf schools. I cant elaborate but there have been some situations popping up where oralism took predendence...

I saw my friend in Philly today...she used to be a teacher for the Deaf but she quit her job cuz of the whole push for oralism at her place of work in which holds the BiBi philosophy. She got tired of the BS involved with the push for more oralism than ASL so she lost respect for the field of Deaf ed and quit. I told her I was starting to have the same feelings too.
 
deafskeptic said:
As would I. CI can be very helpful but it's not the same as normal hearing so even if I implanted a deaf kid, I'd make sure they learn sign language as well. Language and being able to communicate with others is vital for deaf.

I've seen CI adults who were implanted very young and the CI hasn't prevented some of them from having language delays - nor has it always helped with speech. I think Shel can cite quite a few cases based on her experience as a teacher for the Deaf.

Many hearing parents place so much importance on speech they don't notice that the child might have language delays, problems with socializing with others, etc. That is why I REQUIRE the knowledge of sign for deaf children with CIs. Language is more important than CIs. I love my CI but it's not a cure for my deafness.
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I agree with you.
 
coolgirlspyer90 said:
If I could say something...

I got my CI when i was about 8 years old. It's not my parent's decision to get me an CI. I decided that for myself. I decided to get a cochlear implant because I wanted to be able to hear. And From what I know, Most kids decide for themselves if they want one or not. And I think It's important. If you are a parent with a deaf child and you're thinking that you should get your child a cochlear implant..Stop and think for a minute. Ask your child if he or she wants one. Tell him/her that if she wants one, she would have to go through surgery and that it's permament. But I'm not saying that getting a cochlear implant is a bad thing. It can be good too. Like, You're a deaf parent with a deaf child who has a cochlear implant, and that child can be able to do the things that may help you out. I'm 15 years old believe it or not. And I love having a cochlear implant. It's my opinion. But The first thing I wanted to hear when i got my implant was hearing the birds sing, the waves crash, hearing my sister's voice, my mom and dad's voice, the dogs bark, everything that's happening in mother nature. I had to work hard on my cochlear implant to be able to hear things right, to be able to listen to words without having to depend on Closed Captions to make sense to me. Sometimes I use Close Captions. Sometimes I don't. With a cochlear implant can be handy, because In my class we had to watch a video and the video was a few years old and it didn't have captions. And I had to live without it and depend on my cochlear implant. I didn't want to be in a deaf school because I didn't like it. I'm not saying that I'm spoiled and that I should suck up on it for being in a deaf school. I didn't like it because I was so far away from home and there was just signing and having to get up so early in the morning just to go to school. I wanted there to be noises. And so i went back into hearing schools. Having a cochlear implant also helped me with my speech skills. I have improved SO much. When i was 3 I couldn't talk. Now with speech thearpy my parents can't get me to shut the hell up :giggle:

With the help of the cochlear implant, you don't know how much it has totally helped for all of us who has one. Some people don't like it but some people do. I understand that. But you guys can't really complain how you see that a 2 year old child or a 8 year old kid or whatever age has a cochlear implant. You can be happy for them. But don't worry, Having a cochlear implant is NOT going to affect their deaf history on them. I have a hearing family and a Deaf family. I go back and forth. They can do the same too. Even you. I'll admit, If i'm totally annoyed by my sister i'll just shut off my cochelar implant and my hearing aid off and i'm into the deaf world. Thats one thing I like being deaf. And we all have a advantage to that. In my school I have to leave my "ears" on all day. Even though sometimes they hurt me I have to focus on school. And I have to suck it up. But If my "ears" does hurt me then I would ask my interpreter if I could take off my HA or CI for a few mins and she would let me. Because she knows I would have to put them back on eventually. But Please give the cochlear implant arguement a chance? I don't really like it when I see my deaf family fighting over how my deaf family is so Deaf proud. I'm deaf proud too. But I don't make judgements whether I decide for you NOT to have a cochlear implant. How would you feel if your deaf family told you Not to get one and let you be the way you are when you're thinking about having one? That might change your life in a good way forever?? Think about that coming from a 15 year old girl. No matter who I am, I'll always be part of my deaf family and my hearing family. I'm just different by my personality. Not by my ears.
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The whole point of the thread is not about choosing the CIs..it is about the OP's concern about her son's need to meet other deaf signers at his school. That's all it is about.
 
Hear Again said:
i'd be very interested in reading that, jillio. if you could send that to me via pm, i would appreciate it because i really do want to understand. thanks! :)
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My paper, or the references? There are several articles that I used. My paper is a review and sythesization of the articles. Of course, references are attached.
 
shel90 said:
The whole point of the thread is not about choosing the CIs..it is about the OP's concern about her son's need to meet other deaf signers at his school. That's all it is about.
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Exactly.
 
that's right, coolgirlspy. ci's don't prevent a child from participating in the deaf community or using asl. parents do.
 
shel90 said:
Ehhh...what I am seeing in real life, I am not sure if I share the same feelings as you are. Too many subtle hints are telling me that deep down the parents want oral-only at all times for their children at the Deaf schools. I cant elaborate but there have been some situations popping up where oralim take predendence...
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*if* a child is successful using the oral only approach, i see nothing wrong with that.

at the same time, i'm of the opinion that all implanted chldren should learn sign. the more communication tools they have available to them, the better.
 
shel90 said:
100% oral or TC? How are those deaf children who do not benifit from their CIs or even those who do get their needs fully met? That's the WHOLE point of the whole thread..the OP is concerned about her son's needs getting met and instead she got attacked. I find that a huge shame.
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I do too and it was why I spoke up.
 
jillio said:
My paper, or the references? There are several articles that I used. My paper is a review and sythesization of the articles. Of course, references are attached.
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i'm sorry jillio. i'd like to read your paper.
 
Hear Again said:
that's right, coolgirlspy. ci's don't prevent a child from participating in the deaf community or using asl. parents do.
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Yep, I agree with u that. It is never the CI's fault...just the people who hold the audist views who determine whether the children get to be exposed to Deaf culture, ASL, and the Deaf community or not. *When I say "audist", it is not meant as an insult but as a fact of life. *
 
Hear Again said:
whoa, shel. hold on a minute. i'm not attacking anyone here.

in fact, if you read my post in a different thread (it may have even been this one...i can't remember), i said that if i had a d/Deaf child who i decided to implant, i would teach them to listen, speak AND sign. if they struggled with speech therapy, i would drop it immediately in favor of asl.

having said that, if a child with a ci is able to learn 100% via oral means, what is the incentive to learn sign? i'm not saying this is right, but some parents don't feel the need to teach their child sign if they are using oral methods successfully. i've also heard of parents whose children were initially taught asl, but the child was the one who decided to drop the use of sign. what do you do when a child refuses to continue using sign? then what?

again, i'm not trying to be argumentative here. i think ALL ci children should learn sign in addition to oral methodology.
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:gpost:
 
Oceanbreeze said:
I do too and it was why I spoke up.
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And why I spoke up as well. And if you read the most recent posts from damienmommy, she has clarified the fact that others totally misunderstood what she was saying, and therefore, attacked her on nothing more than their gut reaction instead of trying to relate to her.
 
i never attacked the op. if she hates ci's, she has every right to feel that way.
 
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