Court of public opinion looms large in George Zimmerman murder trial

Foxrac said:
Not really, it is still matter if you go after suspicious person and it is dangerous to do it.

If I spot a suspicious person so no way for me to risk my life by go after them like Zimmerman did.

There were several suspicious activities in DC but I didn't bother to go after them or call police because too much hassle with DC police, also call on relay was too difficult while on street to Gally. I hopefully someone reported it.
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Again....it is not illegal, therefore it doesn't matter in a criminal case.
 
CrazyPaul said:
From the same link you posted:
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Well, Zimmerman told them that he was on way to truck, but I don't know if his story is real. The jumping isn't lead to attack and the attack was happened after confrontation.

That how is dangerous when you go after suspicious person.

It is up to court to take GZ's story or not.
 
Foxrac said:
Zimmerman killed Martin in confrontation.

Now, Zimmerman is criminal and he has to prove that killing is self defense or not.
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Nope, the burden of proof is on the prosecution. And, as I explained before, under FL law it doesn't matter if there was a confrontation. Even if GZ is the "aggressor" he is protected if he feels his life is threatened and has no other option.


http://www.alldeaf.com/2202052-post153.html
 
TXgolfer said:
Nope, the burden of proof is on the prosecution. And, as I explained before, under FL law it doesn't matter if there was a confrontation. Even if GZ is the "aggressor" he is protected if he feels his life is threatened and has no other option.

http://www.alldeaf.com/2202052-post153.html
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You can believe what you want.

I see Zimmerman's case as more manslaughter, however the prosecutor said otherwise.
 
Foxrac said:
Well, Zimmerman told them that he was on way to truck, but I don't know if his story is real. The jumping isn't lead to attack and the attack was happened after confrontation.

That how is dangerous when you go after suspicious person.

It is up to court to take GZ's story or not.
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Do you believe the witness, Rachel Jeantel's testimony? I don't. She said that she heard hard breathing on the phone during the confrontation and said it was GZ breathing hard. That's a LIE! It was TM breathing hard after he ran around to hide in the bushes and jumped out of the bushes to confront GZ. BINGO!
 
CrazyPaul said:
Do you believe the witness, Rachel Jeantel's testimony? I don't. She said that she heard hard breathing on the phone during the confrontation and said it was GZ breathing hard. That's a LIE! It was TM breathing hard after he ran around to hide in the bushes and jumped out of the bushes to confront GZ. BINGO!
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That why witness isn't always reliable.

Trial isn't finished yet, thorough.
 
Foxrac said:
You can believe what you want.

I see Zimmerman's case as more manslaughter, however the prosecutor said otherwise.
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It's not about beliefs, it is about law. Can you cite a law that GZ broke?
 
Foxrac said:
Not really, it is still matter if you go after suspicious person and it is dangerous to do it.

If I spot a suspicious person so no way for me to risk my life by go after them like Zimmerman did.

There were several suspicious activities in DC but I didn't bother to go after them or call police because too much hassle with DC police, also call on relay was too difficult while on street to Gally. I hopefully someone reported it.
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You would not report any "suspicious" people prowling around?....but you are hoping that "somebody else did"....Feel that just means "I don't want to get involved"...no matter what anybody does...And if everybody felt the way you did, this world would be so full of criminals...killings...breaking and enterings....robbery...domestic violences.....child abuctions...whatever.

I don't feel the way you do...I report crimes, prowlers, domestic violence...whatever. And surely hope that if ever I'm a victim, someone will call the police for me also, perhaps even save my Life, and feel it's our American duty to do so..
 
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TXgolfer said:
Babyblue said:
I think you got that backwards. GZ profiled and stalked TM. Therefore GM was committing the crime. Even after the 911 operator told him to stop following him. But believe what you want.
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What was the crime?
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Stalking is illegal, the last time I checked. He preyed on a child because in his twisted mind he thought TM was up to no good.
 
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Jiro said:
TXgolfer said:
Observation is vigilantism now? :lol:
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that's not what he did - IMO.

you believe he was merely observing. I believe he took matter into his own hands. that's what vigilantism is. people get hurt. let's not forget that so I don't have to keep repeating this like I'm talking to Memento guy.
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I agree, he was NOT simply observing. He got out of the vehicle and continued to go after TM even when the 911 operator told him to back off and not follow him. He wanted to catch TM so badly and took matters in his own hand.
 
TXgolfer said:
It's not about beliefs, it is about law. Can you cite a law that GZ broke?
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No need - he got charged with 2nd degree murder and he's on trial right now.

You can believe what you want, but I don't think 2nd degree murder does fit for him.
 
Babyblue said:
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Stalking is illegal, the last time I checked. He preyed on a child because in his twisted mind he thought TM was up to no good.
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Stalking? You realize that observing someone for a short amount of time does not meet the criminal definition of "stalking", right?


More Information on Stalking Laws

Code Section 784.048
Stalking Defined as Willful, malicious, and repeated following or harassing. (704.048(2)); Aggravated stalking: willful, malicious and repeated following or harassing another with credible threats with the intent to place person in reasonable fear of death or bodily injury; or willfully, maliciously, repeatedly follows or harasses minor under 16; or after injunction for protection or any court-imposed prohibition of conduct, knowingly, willfully, maliciously and repeatedly follows or harasses another person.



- See more at: Florida Stalking Laws - FindLaw
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rockin'robin said:
You would not report any "suspicious" people prowling around?....but you are hoping that "somebody else did"....Feel that just means "I don't want to get involved"...no matter what anybody does...And if everybody felt the way you did, this world would be so full of criminals...killings...breaking and enterings....robbery...domestic violences.....child abuctions...whatever.

I don't feel the way you do...I report crimes, prowlers, domestic violence...whatever. And surely hope that if ever I'm a victim, someone will call the police for me also, perhaps even save my Life, and feel it's our American duty to do so..
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You got wrong idea - I don't have "I don't want to get involved" attitude and I was advised to not go after suspicious person. DC is very dangerous place at night and you will likely to get killed or injured if you go after suspicious person. I was victim of few crime and no way for me to go after them for my safety.

My communication is very limited - I only fluent in ASL and have zero knowledge with oral language. It is very dangerous to texting on street of DC because you can robbed and there is high theft rate for smartphone. Dial 911 via relay wasn't reliable and very time consuming because operator had troubled to understand about what I'm saying and DC police couldn't get it.

I did report to 911 about drunk driving in my state and it wasn't happened until I got home because it is dangerous to text and drive at same time. The police officers couldn't find them after I gave destination about where they were last seen. That was too late because of my limited communication.
 
Babyblue said:
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I agree, he was NOT simply observing. He got out of the vehicle and continued to go after TM even when the 911 operator told him to back off and not follow him. He wanted to catch TM so badly and took matters in his own hand.
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And the lead investigator testified that getting out of the car and following...even questioning, would not be illegal.

Also the words of the operator were... "We don't need you to do that" and as was pointed out in court, the operator also said "let me know if he does anything else" which the lead investigator himself said would indicate that the operator was saying "Keep an eye on him"
 
Foxrac said:
Your question doesn't consistent with my post. :dunno:
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It most certainly does. You said "the trial isn't over" so I asked what you are expecting that would make things different.
 
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