Cop Rookie shot a naked black man

Heath,

When do police have a Constitutional duty to protect? If a boy is being abused by his father and the police did not remove the boy from the house where the Domestic Violence were occur at, If the boys dies, the police will be at blame for not protecting the boy. What is that boy supposed to do? Put the law in his own hands and kill his own father just to defend himself? If he does, what happens? The boy will get arrest and be charge with first degree murder. Don't tell me the police will not be held to be liable for the safely of the citizen if they arrive on the property when someone is getting hurt. I know for matter of fact that police does protect the citizen because I have phoned cops all the time whenever I have a problem, and you know what they tell me everytime that they stopped by, They said if I need them again if this person is bothering me again, I can call them back and they're come right over. They wouldn't be saying that if they didn't have to protect me. Thank-you. ;)
 
Heath said:
Let me be clear.

I said.... The police are required to answer all 911 calls

then I said that the police are not required to protect you.
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Well sorry to bust your bubble there cause I called and ask my local police department myself and the lady said all police officers are to protect and to serve all citizens....

Beside you're not a police officer so I'm not listen to you! afterall you expect everyone to own a gun and protect ourselves if someone break in our home, or rape us , abused, attacked, kindnapped etc etc.....Police officers are to take all calls and to protect innocent victims, we do not take the matter in our own hands cause sometimes people end up in prison when they do...
 
Isn't the police officers suppose to take oath to promise to protect and to serve all citizens?.....
 
It is clear you did not understand or read what I said or understand or read what Liebling said.

The police will do their best to protect you and yes they take the oath

but you can't except the police at your door. You still have to take positive action to stop the criminal while the police is en route to your house or place of business.
 
Heath said:
The police are there to protect and serve. The police officer will save them but if there is a more severe emergency then they will have to leave and throw the bad guy in the backseat of the car and to go to another calls. I have seen it happen.
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I've never seen a police officer comes to arrest someone and then just leave, they take notes to put on the police report, question witness or victims, they stay as longer as it's necessary to bulid up their case against the person they are arresting....

And they make sure the victims is alright before they leave....
 
Not when the police shot a person for wrongfully death or beat some good citizens up like the one the cops did to a black man in years before. It was on news everywhere. Gee - I've seen many policemen are crooked. Not all of them are really 100% good cops.
 
Look here, I don't want Deaf people to be under the impression that the police will come to your door or place of business to protect you that automatically.

You still have to fight in self defense to protect yourself while the police is en route to your house or place of business.
 
Heath said:
It is clear you did not understand or read what I said or understand or read what Liebling said.

The police will do their best to protect you and yes they take the oath
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Don't start twisting your words around again. We have said it from the begin what the police's duty was requirement for, protect and serve, You the one who said that they cannot protect us, now you saying they can, and they will try their best. :roll:


^Angel^, Do me a favor, Let's just ignored Heath he kept going around the circle denying his words and twisting them around too often. ;)
 
Heath said:
It is clear you did not understand or read what I said or understand or read what Liebling said.

The police will do their best to protect you and yes they take the oath

but you can't except the police at your door. You still have to take positive action to stop the criminal while the police is en route to your house or place of business.
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Be careful Heath, cause you said the police officer doesn't have to protect anyone and beside the police must come to the home or buisness if a crime is happening, they are order to take all calls, follow up on them, etc to protect and to serve all citizens....

Pardon me? you expect us citizen to take the matter in our own hands what if there are victims around? its like we are putting the victims in a harm way....

If I was at a store with my children and then somebody suddenly decide to rob the store while I am in there shopping, do I expect the store clerk to shoot the robbers or try to get the robber out of the store, then he is putting the victims in a harm way, robbers can kill and shoot if someone try to be a hero by trying to take the matter in their own hands.....

I don't believe people should take the mater in their own hands, unless they are clearly to do so, but sometimes cases like that it can get you in huge trouble...

As I remerber a story about a woman who was abused by her husband so many times to the point he wanted to kill her, so one night, he came home drunk starting hitting his wife over and over, she took the gun and shot him, and guess what? the police arrest her for shooting the husband serveral times, she said she was only trying to protect herself ...
 
Cheri said:
Don't start twisting your words around again. We have said it from the begin what the police's duty was requirement for, protect and serve, You the one who said that they cannot protect us, now you saying they can, and they will try their best. :roll:


^Angel^, Do me a favor, Let's just ignored Heath he kept going around the circle and deny his words and twisting them around too often. ;)
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You need to go back and read the whole thread again then you will see what I was saying. I have said nothing that would twist my words. They have to answer 911 calls but they can't protect you all the time. You have to be pro-active.
 
Heath said:
You need to go back and read the whole thread again then you will see what I was saying. I have said nothing that would twist my words. They have to answer 911 calls but they can't protect you all the time. You have to be pro-active.
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Honestly, I think you need to re-read your posts again, cause Cheri is right you keep twisting your words around tsk tsk....
 
^Angel^ said:
Honestly, I think you need to re-read your posts again, cause Cheri is right you keep twisting your words around tsk tsk....
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:werd: I agree with ya and Cheri.
 
sad but true...

most cops are not very good cops.

I also find some parts kinda confusing in the article, which leads me to see the cop who isn't 100% honest about what happened, even though there was a tape and shots were fired, etc...but perhas the 22 year old cop, who can still be pretty young, and yet could still be stupid, would make those sounds to make him look innocent, we never know but it's possible. because we dont see the whole thing on video either.

The cop says he was emotionless, but what the hell does that mean when I read this one in the article? (The naked man turned. His eyes "appeared to be as big as golf balls," Pleasant said, "like he was looking through my eyes and beyond me.") a man with such wide eyes and looking at someone in the eyes can be part of emotion or physical contract, etc stuff like that. and the man didnt scream when he was shot either. WTF?!! of course somebody has to scream in great pain if they were shot! and still no expression after that either? that 22 year old police officer is making me have second thoughts of him rather than a "hero" but of a "racist crooked cop" instead.

I believe the young police office wasn't fully trained to fight physically, which is a poor excuse for the police department for him to go out on a job like that, and is a poor excuse for the department to let him go after a number of shots he made on the naked suspect and he was already dead with no chance of getting help for his drug problems, his behavior, and spend more time with his g/f and his son but now he's gone and the boy would someday go "where's dad?" then she would have to take him to the grave and see for himself.

I also remember a similar situation like this but it's not another naked suspect but another sitation where the mother called the cops when his son was so pissed as fuck he was holding a knife and when they arrived at the scene, they find him in the basement and he got so pissed off he ran up the stairs with a knife in his hand and you know what the cops did next? both of them shot him more than once. about three or 4 times at the least and did he survive? obvioulsy, no. so the mother lost his son at such a young age. I dont know how old he was but I can say he was a teenager. he was black, but he was also deaf too! the mother didnt fully explain to the police that his son is deaf so I suppose she should have, but that still leaves no excuse for the cops to shoot the suspect with the knife in the first place. they should have shot him in the legs, then attack him and grab the knife away from him but instead they are just too lazy and shoot him more than once and leave him dead like nothing happened.
the cops were left with no criminal acts to the action either so they were free also. :roll:

like I said before, most cops are never really good cops and they aren't much of help to anyone these days.

so FUCK those pigs. :fu:
 
Heath said:
You need to go back and read the whole thread again then you will see what I was saying. I have said nothing that would twist my words. They have to answer 911 calls but they can't protect you all the time. You have to be pro-active.
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I've read the whole thread...

Heath you are twisting in every direction...

Police take an oath to protect & serve. They are there to protect evryone. They show up when called...

there are mistakes but officers are only human. mistakes happen. there are some bad cops. The good officers out number the bad ones at least 10 to 1. unfortunately it is the bad ones that end up in the news. :smoking:
 
who we really need would be the savage dragon! the police officer from chicago police department. :D

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Whoa... ok my opinion. We are in the 21st century. Ok remember that? thanks.
 
mattmgolf said:
Whoa... ok my opinion. We are in the 21st century. Ok remember that? thanks.
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what does that have to do with cops killing unarmed people? it still happens all the time! even in pervious centuries.
 
^Angel^ said:
No heath isn't right, it just a link, we have laws policy here, police are to protect and served period, read Heath link again, it say " Police has a right to ignore the calls, and they do not have to come to your house to protect you "...

That's BS!! because the police has to take ALL calls no matter what....
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Okay, I re-read the link, I provided in my last post yesterday could be not right because it didn't written which states... You stated that you have police protection in area where you live which it's good, perhaps not other states... :dunno:


Taylor, I hope you answer to this... I can't beleive what link written that police are not obligated to respond people's calls for help, even in life threatening... :confused:

I found other links...

You have no right to expect the police to protect you from crime. Incredible as it may seem, the courts have ruled that the police are not obligated to even respond to your calls for help, even in life threatening situations!.
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http://home.pacbell.net/dragon13/policeprot.html

Do You Have A Right to Police Protection?
http://centre.telemanage.ca/links.nsf/articles/13C0955BF8B7245B85256B22006F7E5A
 
Heath said:
They have to answer 911 calls but they can't protect you all the time. You have to be pro-active.
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Sorry I has to disagree to this. How do you feel if you know that you are not protect by police when you call for the help?
 
Steel X said:
The cop says he was emotionless, but what the hell does that mean when I read this one in the article? (The naked man turned. His eyes "appeared to be as big as golf balls," Pleasant said, "like he was looking through my eyes and beyond me.") a man with such wide eyes and looking at someone in the eyes can be part of emotion or physical contract, etc stuff like that. and the man didnt scream when he was shot either. WTF?!! of course somebody has to scream in great pain if they were shot! and still no expression after that either? that 22 year old police officer is making me have second thoughts of him rather than a "hero" but of a "racist crooked cop" instead.
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Yes, I second that... :(
I also remember a similar situation like this but it's not another naked suspect but another sitation where the mother called the cops when his son was so pissed as fuck he was holding a knife and when they arrived at the scene, they find him in the basement and he got so pissed off he ran up the stairs with a knife in his hand and you know what the cops did next? both of them shot him more than once. about three or 4 times at the least and did he survive? obvioulsy, no. so the mother lost his son at such a young age. I dont know how old he was but I can say he was a teenager. he was black, but he was also deaf too! the mother didnt fully explain to the police that his son is deaf so I suppose she should have, but that still leaves no excuse for the cops to shoot the suspect with the knife in the first place. they should have shot him in the legs, then attack him and grab the knife away from him but instead they are just too lazy and shoot him more than once and leave him dead like nothing happened.
the cops were left with no criminal acts to the action either so they were free also. :roll:
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Oh yes, you remind me about deaf black boy... The debate thread about him was removed at 2 years ago. :(
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