Cop Rookie shot a naked black man

[Heath]

I wish to say the same as you... Unfortunlately Heath is right... See link on my post # 38 - "You Have NO Right to Police Protection"

Thank you Liebling... That was what I was trying to explain so more Deaf people know and save their own lives & take positive action to prevent violent crime from happening. Many Deaf people are under the impression that the police are supposed to protect them.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Thank you Liebling... That was what I was trying to explain so more Deaf people know and save their own lives & take positive action to prevent violent crime from happening.

Yes, I know but to my opinion, we (people) have the right to expect police to protect us from crimes. This is scary to know that police is not there for us...

To my opinion, it´s police´s job task to protect innoncent people from crimes. I was like after saw the link....

 

[Heath]

Hi Liebling, I am curious What does the German law say concerning this situation here in the USA?

 

[Taylor]

Taylor,

Still waiting for your respone for meeting you in southeast.....

I told you...been there, done that. Does it make you more manly to challenge me to a fight? You still haven't answered a simple question, yet you sit here demanding responses from me.

What would your point be in challenging me to a fight anyway?

 

[Mookie]

I told you...been there, done that. Does it make you more manly to challenge me to a fight? You still haven't answered a simple question, yet you sit here demanding responses from me.

What would your point be in challenging me to a fight anyway?

Just want to take a peek at you. Wondering what kind of man are you with your huge superego.

Then I will give you :fu2: and then walk away...

 

[Heath]

Taylor... Ignore Mookie. He wants nothing more than to cause trouble here on AllDeaf. He is not interested in debating.

 

[Mookie]

Taylor... Ignore Mookie. He wants nothing more than to cause trouble here on AllDeaf. He is not interested in debating.

Nope, Taylor wants me to stir the troubles so that he can issue the arrest on me....

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Hi Liebling, I am curious What does the German law say concerning this situation here in the USA?

Here is my answer on your question about Germany. I must admit that police law system between Germany and America is total different. Those link explains better.

Police

Branches of the police force include the general police force, the criminal police, the emergency police force and the water police. Their duties range from averting dangers to prosecuting crime. Whereas the general police force is mainly concerned with petty crime and minor offenses, the criminal police deal with serious crimes and criminal offenses. In the prosecution of crime, the police are subordinate to the public prosecutor's office in charge of the relevant proceedings. The police have special units, which are deployed mainly in the case of hostage-taking, for protection purposes during special events, and for observation and searches.

Every state maintains organizationally separate emergency police force units within its police force. These are supplied with the necessary control structures and operational equipment by the Federal government.

The emergency police forces are responsible for dealing with exceptional circumstances including dangerous situations in the case of natural disasters or accidents that endanger the territory of more than one state. (art. 35 para. 3, 91 para. 2 of the Basic Law), for assisting other states in dealing with exceptional circumstances including the above-mentioned dangerous situations, as well as for assisting with individual police duties.

The state emergency police forces were fundamentally reformed between 1993 and 1997. They currently number 15,871 law enforcement officers.


http://www.tatsachen-ueber-deutschland.de/698.0.html

http://www.interpol.int/Public/Region/Europe/pjsystems/Germany.asp

Police are there for us no matter what... It´s their obligation to be there to protect people... We have emergency police then we can call if any happened to us and there for us.

I would like to share my story... (Sorry off topic)

I remember the happened of summer 2004, a man went around my neighbor's house ask for us. My neighbor asked him to tell her what's my last name. (I don't have name in my mail box). He changed his subject and said that we are not home because I called him to come over. My neighbor told him to try again because she know I'm in home. A man thanked her and leave. My neighbor called police STRAIGHT WAY and police came STRAIGHT WAY to my gate. I saw a man at my neighbor from my window and thought it's saleman. I walked to my automaic gate to check with him as same time as police car came. I was like when Police asked me if I'm okay and then check with man and his ID card then question him why he is here... A man tried to convince police that he's saleman but it shown no proof that he's a saleman. Police told him to go police station with him. I asked Police what's wrong? Police explained me it's neighbor who called them and teach me to demand ID card from them in the future if they are really Salemen or not. I was like ookkkayyy and thank Police for their care. They told me that they are only doing their job. I went to check with my neighbor. She said she has no good feeling about him that why she called Police. I hug her and thank her for that, no matter what... I would do the same if I suspect people. I asked my neighbor why a man do nothing to her but me? She said because her husband is around, that's why. She beleive that a man would do something to her IF she is alone but he saw her husband around and make an excuse to ask for me.

It happened to me for a first time... Afterward Police informed my neighbour say that a man is really saleman, not crime. No matter, I appreciate my neighbor´s concern.


See, it´s police duty to protect people from crime...

 

[Taylor]

One thing to be careful of is Monday Morning Quarterbacking. I see it all the time whether an officer is correct or if he is wrong...its easy to sit back and weigh all the facts and say 'I would have done this' or 'I would have done that'. What people fail to realize is that the officer was responding to an active shooter who was shooting and this can be heard by the dispatcher on the phone. The officer was just exiting his vehicle when the guy ran up to him..charging at him. The fact that there are no powder burns means nothing other than the gun wasn't within inches of the skin.

From the article:

According to Thomas Mauriello, a criminologist at the University of Maryland who is not involved in the case, that finding suggests that Pleasant's weapon was at least three or four feet from Coates when the shots were fired.

Also, the article states that Naked people are some of the most dangerous people as its usually an indicator that the person is on PCP or other drug. When you get the chance to fight somebody who is on PCP, then you can tell me that you felt that you weren't in any danger, especially when it takes 5 officers to wrestle a 140lb skinny guy to the ground. Suspects on PCP have also been shot before and continue to run and fight...they don't just drop to the ground.

The officer here is going off the information that was available to him at the time. Some say the guy was just smoking pot, but running naked isn't indicative of just smoking pot (how many of you have smoked pot and then taken your clothes off and run down the street). The officer doesn't know what is in the guys system...just that a naked guy was charging at him.

So, lets say the officer didn't shoot and this guy was on PCP and hurts the officer and then gets his gun...then the guy goes down the street shooting people. Would everyone here still be saying that the officer did the right thing by not shooting or would you be pissed off that the cop didn't shoot him and prevent other people on the street from getting shot.

The thing is, this happened in May of last year...you have all the facts. Facts that were not available to the officer at that exact moment.

Mookie, you really don't have room to speak on this. You never answered about what to do when somebody is attacking you or a family member....so there is no point in me asking you what you would do if you were getting out of your car and a naked guy who had just been shooting is just feet from you and coming at you full steam. I guess you'd reach out and shake his hand?

 

[Taylor]

Just want to take a peek at you. Wondering what kind of man are you with your huge superego.

Then I will give you :fu2: and then walk away...

Can you give me an example of this huge superego? The only interaction you and I have is you calling me a racist, threatening to call my chief from some reason, and you telling me that I do not have the right to defend myself if somebody is coming at me with a knife. In response, I asked you what you would do in that situation. Apparently it would be wrong for me to shoot somebody who is stabbing me, so I wanted to find out what your correct solution would be. Instead of telling me, you keep playing games. I wouldn't call that a superego, but it takes nerve for you to call me names, threaten me, challenge me to a fight in DC and then tell me that I'm the one with the ego.

Nope, Taylor wants me to stir the troubles so that he can issue the arrest on me....

Uh....I'm not the one stirring troubles here.

 

[Mookie]

Can you give me an example of this huge superego? The only interaction you and I have is you calling me a racist, threatening to call my chief from some reason, and you telling me that I do not have the right to defend myself if somebody is coming at me with a knife. In response, I asked you what you would do in that situation. Apparently it would be wrong for me to shoot somebody who is stabbing me, so I wanted to find out what your correct solution would be. Instead of telling me, you keep playing games. I wouldn't call that a superego, but it takes nerve for you to call me names, threaten me, challenge me to a fight in DC and then tell me that I'm the one with the ego.

Wouldn't it be easier if I contact Internal Affair dept that you with a tin challenged me?

 

[Taylor]

Wouldn't it be easier if I contact Internal Affair dept that you with a tin challenged me?

Fine....would you like the number? Again, you would have to lie about it. When did I challenge you and what did I challenge you with? Are you referring to the time that you told me to leave my badge at home and come see you in DC? Or are you referring to your comments about me being a racist? Which part exactly are you referring to? Or are you referring to the time I asked you how you would handle a situation because you thought shooting somebody who is sticking a knife in your chest is uncalled for?

Seeing that you have some deep hatred for me when you don't even know me, please feel free to PM me and get whatever your issue is out in the open between us instead of turning every thread around. All you have done is tried to bait me the way you baited Heath. If you have something to say, then say it to me...if you have an issue with the way some cop didn't bend over and kiss your ass, then go ahead and tell me about it if it makes you feel better.

 

[Mookie]

Fine....would you like the number? Again, you would have to lie about it. When did I challenge you and what did I challenge you with? Are you referring to the time that you told me to leave my badge at home and come see you in DC? Or are you referring to your comments about me being a racist? Which part exactly are you referring to? Or are you referring to the time I asked you how you would handle a situation because you thought shooting somebody who is sticking a knife in your chest is uncalled for?

You prefectly knew...

 

[Taylor]

You prefectly knew...

That doesn't answer squat Mookie? You and I have interacted in 2 threads and I have challenged you to nothing. Are you going to start making crap up now and say I did things that I didn't? If thats the case, you have balls talking about that cop shooting somebody when you have no integrity of your own.

 

[Cheri]

Taylor,

Why don't you answer if a cops job are to protect and serve the citizens or not?

 

[Mookie]

That doesn't answer squat Mookie? You and I have interacted in 2 threads and I have challenged you to nothing. Are you going to start making crap up now and say I did things that I didn't? If thats the case, you have balls talking about that cop shooting somebody when you have no integrity of your own.

Taylor,

I do not need to answer regarding to Heath's thread.

You need to focus my thread regarding to Rookie's error.

Otherwise, I will have to ask Mods to delete your posts.

 

[Heath]

One thing to be careful of is Monday Morning Quarterbacking. I see it all the time whether an officer is correct or if he is wrong...its easy to sit back and weigh all the facts and say 'I would have done this' or 'I would have done that'. What people fail to realize is that the officer was responding to an active shooter who was shooting and this can be heard by the dispatcher on the phone. The officer was just exiting his vehicle when the guy ran up to him..charging at him. The fact that there are no powder burns means nothing other than the gun wasn't within inches of the skin.

From the article:


Also, the article states that Naked people are some of the most dangerous people as its usually an indicator that the person is on PCP or other drug. When you get the chance to fight somebody who is on PCP, then you can tell me that you felt that you weren't in any danger, especially when it takes 5 officers to wrestle a 140lb skinny guy to the ground. Suspects on PCP have also been shot before and continue to run and fight...they don't just drop to the ground.

The officer here is going off the information that was available to him at the time. Some say the guy was just smoking pot, but running naked isn't indicative of just smoking pot (how many of you have smoked pot and then taken your clothes off and run down the street). The officer doesn't know what is in the guys system...just that a naked guy was charging at him.

So, lets say the officer didn't shoot and this guy was on PCP and hurts the officer and then gets his gun...then the guy goes down the street shooting people. Would everyone here still be saying that the officer did the right thing by not shooting or would you be pissed off that the cop didn't shoot him and prevent other people on the street from getting shot.

The thing is, this happened in May of last year...you have all the facts. Facts that were not available to the officer at that exact moment.

Mookie, you really don't have room to speak on this. You never answered about what to do when somebody is attacking you or a family member....so there is no point in me asking you what you would do if you were getting out of your car and a naked guy who had just been shooting is just feet from you and coming at you full steam. I guess you'd reach out and shake his hand?

Hi Taylor and anothers,

F.Y.I.

Sometimes drug dealers lace their marijuana sales with PCP or cocaine powder or even tragically enough hair spray.

It goes to show that a person purchasing illegal drugs can not know what is inside the dime bag or a baggie for that matter.

They light up and smoke marijuana so many times like before with no problems then the person smokes the PCP laced marijuana joint.

Wham !!! He goes psycho.

People who fight high on PCP are so dangerous. That is one of the reasons I stopped smoking marijuana. I saw someone die smoking marijuana and he fell to the floor, dead. Brain damage and heart stopped. The drug dealers wanted to murder him by selling him a bag of " bad weed ". He did not need to kill the guy with a gun.

Hollywood likes to show drug dealers and cops having a shooting war. Yes, they are exciting to watch on TV for example, " Miami Vice ".

Most drug related murders in real life...are done with what is called " bad drugs ".

Guns do sometimes get involved.

For the most part in real life, it is the " bad drugs " that drug dealers use to murder people with.

( I smoked marijuana in my teenage years in high school and I have to Thank God nothing serious ever happened. I outgrew smoking marijuana and now I am 29 years old & have absoutely no interest in smoking or doing illegal drugs, after what I saw happened. )

 

[Taylor]

Taylor,

I do not need to answer regarding to Heath's thread.

You need to focus my thread regarding to Rookie's error.

Otherwise, I will have to ask Mods to delete your posts.

Your right...you don't have to answer, but is there a point in asking questions you (directed at me) when you cannot or refuse to answer the questions. All I asked you was what you would do in that situation...its a simple question. If you do not have a correct answer, that is fine (there really is no correct answer) but why get pissed if somebody does something one way and you do not have a way of doing it yourself?

Feel free to contact the Mods and have them remove my posts. Fine with me. In fact, why don't you ask them to ban me? I come to AD because I have many friends here and enjoy the company...it is a 'break' from my daily routine, however, if all its going to be is a Taylor bashing or a cop bashing, why should I come here to get it when I can get that on the street?

You talk about all these bad cops with integrity issues. There is only thing I've done in my career that I've regretted where I went too far. Pulled a guy over for doing 75 in a 35 with a school zone nearby. He called me every name in the book (I can deal with that). Spit at me and called my mother a whore. His next comment was the infamous " I PAY YOUR SALARY". So, I reached into my pocket, gave him a $5.00 bill and told him that this should cover our little 15 minute meeting today and I told him to keep the change (5 was too much for 15 minutes...cops don't make that much).

I went a bit too far, but there was a sense of satisfaction from it. Its funny that he complained that I was rude and did not consider his behavior rude.

Anyway, in regards to AD being my 'break' and I could get what you are giving me here out on the street, it doesn't make AD my getaway. Since you have singled me out on several occasions and have started this anti-cop thread posting, I will tell you the same thing I have told others. Contrary to what you believe as me being YOUR public servant, I don't have to take it. Will I be there when you call 911 calling for help? Yes, whether you like me or not or like cops or not, I still do my job because I enjoy it. It definately isn't the money....I do it because its what I do. And no matter what I do, you will be there to complain about it, and threaten to call my chief, and threaten to contact internal affairs and you could give a rats ass and not think twice about it. Because of that, I can't see this being an enjoyable experience, so go ahead and put a notch on your bedpost, you have won. Hang your head up high because you are one of the few who have beaten a cop. Bye.

 

[IslandGal]

Let's not get too personal against Taylor. Even though he may be a cop but it doesn't mean that he is a bad cop like some cops are. We got to remember that there are a lot good cops out there and we must thank them for doing a good job. I don't know Taylor but I think he is a good man.

 

[Cheri]

Thanks a lot Mookie, Now Taylor didn't answer my question.