Cop Rookie shot a naked black man

[Angel]

Okay, I re-read the link, I provided in my last post yesterday could be not right because it didn't written which states... You stated that you have police protection in area where you live which it's good, perhaps not other states...

You can't expect to every link on the web site to be true, and another thing the police officer takes the oath to promise to protect and to serve all citizen and if it was only my hometown, then it should not be printed on ALL the police cars...


Again you provide a link saying " Police does not have to take all the calls, and does not have to protect you.... "

 

[Angel]

Sorry I has to disagree to this. How do you feel if you know that you are not protect by police when you call for the help?

Remember he said he has a gun to protect himself, and therefore he doesn't need the cops help, I wouldn't be darn surprise if he took the matter in his own hands.....


Btw, sometimes when people do that, some of them end up in prison :-/

 

[Liebling:-)))]

You can't expect to every link on the web site to be true, and another thing the police officer takes the oath to promise to protect and to serve all citizen and if it was only my hometown, then it should not be printed on ALL the police cars...

Yes that's correct. That's what I said in my last post that the link I provided yesterday could be not right because it didn't written which states. I said it could be other states than your area because you stated what you know about police protection in your area which it's good...

Again you provide a link saying " Police does not have to take all the calls, and does not have to protect you.... "

I re-read again but it didn't say anything but

You have no right to expect the police to protect you from crime. The police don’t even have to come when you call.
Depending solely on police emergency response means relying on the telephone as the only defensive tool. Too often, citizens in trouble dial 911 . . . and die.

Americans increasingly believe, however, that all they need for protection is a telephone. Dial 911 and the police, fire, and ambulance will come straight to the rescue.

Incredible as it may seem, the courts have ruled that the police are not obligated to even respond to your calls for help, even in life threatening situations!

Police do very little to prevent violent crime. They investigate crime after the fact.

To be fair to our men in blue, most officers really do want to save lives and stop dangerous situations before people get hurt. But the key point to remember is that they are under no legal obligation to do so.

You have no recourse if the police fail to respond or fail to protect you from injury!
http://flyservers.registerfly.com/members5/policecrime.com/policeprotection.html

http://www.alldeaf.com/showpost.php?p=455820&postcount=38

 

[Heath]

First duty is to yourself

By Dimitri Vassilaros
TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Sunday, February 5, 2006


The law says you must act like a coward. In your own home. Even when your life is threatened.
Many states have criminal-friendly "duty to retreat" laws. A victim in his house is mandated to retreat from an attacker until he is cornered. Only then is the prey allowed to use lethal force on the predator. Prosecutors in those states have been known to victimize the victim (such as charging him with manslaughter) who prefers to fire back rather than to back off.

The National Rifle Association has been trying to end the insanity state by state.

Florida came to its senses last year. It enacted a law based on the "Castle Doctrine" -- that one's home is one's castle. A person now is not legally required to be hunted down room by room by an intruder before the victim pulls the trigger. The law allows the victim to shoot back without fear of being prosecuted for being overzealous about protecting his life. And it prohibits criminals from suing their more aggressive victims. All their victims, actually.

"Somebody should not be twice victimized, first by the assailant and then by the legal system trying to destroy his life," says Larry Pratt, executive director of Gun Owners of America, the largest organization representing gun owners after the NRA.

But the Florida law does more.

Car-jackers beware; now one's car is his mobile castle. And better still, if a victim is not in a home or car, now he legally can use deadly force. Sunshine State criminals without a death wish might want to consider career counseling. Or take Horace Greeley's advice to go west. But if they do, they had better hurry.

Wyoming is the latest battleground. The NRA is lobbying there and in 11 other states to repeal duty-to-retreat laws.

Pennsylvanians have that so-called duty if they are attacked outside the home, according to Kim Stolfer, legislative committee chairman of the Allegheny County Sportsmen's League. House Bill 2213 takes aim at the "duty" and prohibits prosecution for defending yourself. It also prohibits lawsuits by a criminal who was injured while attacking the victim. And it prohibits lawsuits by the criminal's survivors if the victim gunned him down.

Arthur C. Hayhoe, executive director of the Florida Coalition to Stop Gun Violence, essentially spoke for liberalism when he said in published reports that "What they've done is legalize manslaughter here in Florida. It (the new law) promotes irresponsible, aggressive and even illegal use of firearms."

Why are we even having this debate?

How could anyone actually believe that you should not defend yourself until you've run out of room to flee? When did it become a person's duty to scurry into the basement like a cockroach fleeing the exterminator?

A duty-to-retreat law is the ultimate debasement of man.

It means that your life is not worth protecting except as a last resort. It also means that your intruder's life is worth protecting except as a last resort. You are little better than your tormentor.

The Castle Doctrine rightly says that your bricks and mortar are sacrosanct. But is there an equivalent doctrine for your flesh and blood?

You have no "duty" to retreat when threatened in your house, car or anywhere else. Your life is no less precious when you are outdoors.

A man's home is his castle. A man's duty is to himself.
http://pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/opinion/columnists/vassilaros/s_420318.html

also check out

http://www.nraila.org/News/Read/InTheNews.aspx?ID=7164

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Remember he said he has a gun to protect himself, and therefore he doesn't need the cops help, I wouldn't be darn surprise if he took the matter in his own hands.....


Btw, sometimes when people do that, some of them end up in prison :-/

*goose bumps*

 

[Angel]

Yeah Heath but that when someone breaks in people's homes, then yeah they have the right to shoot....

But the point is, not in all cases where you can shoot someone like for an example when there's a situation going on in the household, like an abuse is happening, a woman was arrest for shooting her husband serveral times cause she was fearing for her own life, but she went to prison cause the juries felt she could have left anytime she wanted to if she was fearing for her own life, but as her lawyer tried to explain the side of it as her husband would have find her no matter where she goes, either way her life would still be in a harm way.....But the juries don't see it that way, that why the woman was send off to prison for shooting her husband several times....

So like I said, not every cases will allow you to shoot or take the matter in your own hands...It's depend on the situation itself....

 

[Heath]

Angel and Liebling, Please see #106. The NRA and the Gun Owners of America are trying very hard to fight for all of us in the courtroom and in Washington DC Congress & Senate to pass a very safe and effective law so that we can shoot the theif , rapist or a killer without fear of prosecution and going to the big house. People are getting fed up with crime. The tide is turning especially in Deaf people's favor. I support the Castle Doctrine. I encourage you to support the Castle Doctrine.

 

[Angel]

Also you have to remember not all people owns a gun, that because of alot of reason, some people don't want guns cause they don't want their children to get ahold of them, also some people just can not touch a gun cause gun can be quite dangerous to handle, and some people dont want to shoot the wrong person , like if a mother had an oldest son who was away in college decide to come home and surprise his mother, but he try to get the door open and the mother thinking that someone is trying to break into her home, she gets a gun out of her drawer and then go down the steps slowly and shoot a person in the dark that was trying to open the door, by the time the person finally fall on the ground, then the mother turn the light on and relized that she just killed her own son......Things like that could happen, and some people just dont want to take that chances.....


That why most of us relay on the police to take care of the problem rather than taking care of it themselves...

 

[Angel]

Angel and Liebling, Please see #106. The NRA and the Gun Owners of America are trying very hard to fight for all of us in the courtroom and in Washington DC Congress & Senate to pass a very safe and effective law so that we can shoot the theif , rapist or a killer without fear of prosecution and going to the big house. People are getting fed up with crime. The tide is turning especially in Deaf people's favor. I support the Castle Doctrine. I encourage you to support the Castle Doctrine.

Sorry Heath, you still do not get it, I DO NOT support guns and therefore I WILL not support it....

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Angel and Liebling, Please see #106. The NRA and the Gun Owners of America are trying very hard to fight for all of us in the courtroom and in Washington DC Congress & Senate to pass a very safe and effective law so that we can shoot the theif , rapist or a killer without fear of prosecution and going to the big house. People are getting fed up with crime. The tide is turning especially in Deaf people's favor. I support the Castle Doctrine.

Let me say the example... Please answer what you think of this...

What if poor people are hungry and break in your property to steal foods? Would you shot them because they are thief? I find that they have to die because they want foods to support their poor family. Yes I know you will say that they have no right to steal something which it´s not belong to them but they are just thief/burglar, not killer.

Rapist and killer are understandable... you has the right to defend yourself against them... but thief?

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Sorry Heath, you still do not get it, I DO NOT support guns and therefore I WILL not support it....

Yes, I´m with you... I dont like to have gun in my house... No Way...

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Also you have to remember not all people owns a gun, that because of alot of reason, some people don't want guns cause they don't want their children to get ahold of them, also some people just can not touch a gun cause gun can be quite dangerous to handle, and some people dont want to shoot the wrong person , like if a mother had an oldest son who was away in college decide to come home and surprise his mother, but he try to get the door open and the mother thinking that someone is trying to break into her home, she gets a gun out of her drawer and then go down the steps slowly and shoot a person in the dark that was trying to open the door, by the time the person finally fall on the ground, then the mother turn the light on and relized that she just killed her own son......Things like that could happen, and some people just dont want to take that chances.....


That why most of us relay on the police to take care of the problem rather than taking care of it themselves...

that´s what I feel.

 

[Cheri]

Oh shoot! I posted my comment in the wrong thread.


Here is it. http://www.alldeaf.com/showpost.php?p=456507&postcount=47

Ok I talked to my ex boyfriend who is a police officer, He said that yes, The cops are supposed to protect and serve, in fact they are supposed to protect all citizens to the safely and lives of all people when they are in dangerous. If they get a call and a report is made that someone broke in the house, The police will rush over right away and will do anything to get the victims out of the house first before the crazed gunman.


And about high-speed chases, The police would want to get the vehicle that is on a high-speed chases off the roads for the safely of all people. Sometimes things gone bad when the driver ran into walk-way people and crashed into someone's mail box or house or damaged other vehicles. They want to get this guy off the street and throw in jail.

 

[Angel]

Thank you sis, the lady at the police department said pretty much the same thing as what your ex boyfriend told ya....

 

[Maria]

Also you have to remember not all people owns a gun, that because of alot of reason, some people don't want guns cause they don't want their children to get ahold of them, also some people just can not touch a gun cause gun can be quite dangerous to handle, and some people dont want to shoot the wrong person , like if a mother had an oldest son who was away in college decide to come home and surprise his mother, but he try to get the door open and the mother thinking that someone is trying to break into her home, she gets a gun out of her drawer and then go down the steps slowly and shoot a person in the dark that was trying to open the door, by the time the person finally fall on the ground, then the mother turn the light on and relized that she just killed her own son......Things like that could happen, and some people just dont want to take that chances.....


That why most of us relay on the police to take care of the problem rather than taking care of it themselves...

You are watchin' the movie too much. FYI, I don't buy it. We are headin' towards the Military State Police. This is what the Government is waitin' for when the Police Departments started bein' crooked.... no matter, if they protect and serve American citizens or not. Once they did wrong like shootin' American citizen on purpose - the law will start makin' a new law to take away people's rights to arms. I support NRA for many reasons. Charles Heston supported NRA. He voiced people to support guns against evil to protect American citizens themselves. Under Constitution, the American citizens have the rights to arms to protect themselves.

I don't trust the police - no matter, if they are good cops or not. It's all about American citizens' rights.

 

[Angel]

You are watchin' the movie too much. FYI, I don't buy it. We are headin' towards the Military State Police. This is what the Government is waitin' for when the Police Departments started bein' crooked.... no matter, if they protect and serve American citizens or not. Once they did wrong like shootin' American citizen on purpose - the law will start makin' a new law to take away people's rights to arms. I support NRA for many reasons. Charles Heston supported NRA. He voiced people to support guns against evil to protect American citizens themselves. Under Constitution, the American citizens have the rights to arms to protect themselves.

I don't trust the police - no matter, if they are good cops or not. It's all about American citizens' rights.

You need to re-read it carefully did I said it was from a movie? no, I had given an example and I do not care if you don't buy it or not, it CAN happen...

If you do not trust the police at all , no matter if they're good cops or not, then it looks like you're on your own, I suppose you would need to learn to protect yourself in order to save your own butt since you don't want a cop helping you out or if you are in a situation where you happen to be in serious harm, then what are you going to do about it, ask Heath to buy you a gun?.....

It seem to me you're being quite stuborn, cause you keep saying I do not trust any cops whether they're good or bad ones, you got to learn to trust some good cops out there cause they do protect and serves citizen....

If you still do not trust the " good " cops out there, then don't bother calling them for help!

 

[Maria]

You need to re-read it carefully did I said it was from a movie? no, I had given an example and I do not care if you don't buy it or not, it CAN happen...

If you do not trust the police at all , no matter if they're good cops or not, then it looks like you're on your own, I suppose you would need to learn to protect yourself in order to save your own butt since you don't want a cop helping you out or if you are in a situation where you happen to be in serious harm, then what are you going to do about it, ask Heath to buy you a gun?.....

It seem to me you're being quite stuborn, cause you keep saying I do not trust any cops whether they're good or bad ones, you got to learn to trust some good cops out there cause they do protect and serves citizen....

If you still do not trust the " good " cops out there, then don't bother calling them for help!

I did not say that you said it was from a movie. I said that to tell you. Do I need to ask Heath to buy me a gun ? No thanks. I used to live in Alaska, remember ?

Well, to be honest with you, I am not stubborn, because I've seen some cops doin' their dirty works. Believe me or not, you be the judge yourself. Not all the cops are tellin' the truth. You just wait and see for yourself in 10 or 20 years later.

 

[IslandGal]

I did not say that you said it was from a movie. I said that to tell you. Do I need to ask Heath to buy me a gun ? No thanks. I used to live in Alaska, remember ?

Well, to be honest with you, I am not stubborn, because I've seen some cops doin' their dirty works. Believe me or not, you be the judge yourself. Not all the cops are tellin' the truth. You just wait and see for yourself in 10 or 20 years later.

You say not all cops are telling the truth....well, you got to admit that there are several good cops out there. Sure there are some bad cops but not ALL. BTW, do you have a proof that we are heading towards the Miltary Police? I doubt that it will happen. You may like to own a gun but you need to remember NOT everyone likes to own one. I am one of them who hate the idea of owning a gun.

 

[Mookie]

Ladies, take it easy and thank you...

 

[Angel]

I did not say that you said it was from a movie. I said that to tell you. Do I need to ask Heath to buy me a gun ? No thanks. I used to live in Alaska, remember ?

Well, to be honest with you, I am not stubborn, because I've seen some cops doin' their dirty works. Believe me or not, you be the judge yourself. Not all the cops are tellin' the truth. You just wait and see for yourself in 10 or 20 years later.

CyberRed,

I don't believe you have read this entire thread or have read some of the posts carefully, then you wouldn't be asking me those questions, as I said before I am very much aware that there are some cops out there that went above the law, and lies too, but you are making it sounds like you can not trust every cop out there when most of the cops are good ones.....

I think you're putting too many little things in your head of yours, and no I'm not going to sit here and wait 10 to 20 years to see what happens, I have faith in those good cops out there, and I trust them period, Cops makes mistakes and so for you and I, remember that dear!