Complain/Praise on Obama

[shel90]

They "deserve" whatever the market will bear.

If sports fans think their heroes are earning too much, then they should quit buying game tickets and team logo paraphernalia. If people think movie stars earn too much they should quit buying expensive movie tickets and DVDs.

As long as "stars" draw the money into their industries, they will be compensated. No one is forced to support them.

Yea, I love to watch football because I cant afford to go on luxury trips since I am a teacher with low pay. That's my only form of entertainment I can afford these days..watch football or movies on TV. Of course, I could boycott it by reading a book instead of watching TV but doesnt help when my hubby and kids have the TV on.

Just seems so much money and I wish theyw ould lower the costs of tickets so a family can go and enjoy the movies or games without breaking their banks.

 

[Reba]

yep -- and you don't hear reba complaining about that. hmmm.

I did exclude them in my post, didn't I? I'm against stealing, cheating and lying but what good is complaining about those who do? It just seems whiny and envious to complain.

 

[Hear Again]

I did exclude them in my post, didn't I? I'm against stealing, cheating and lying but what good is complaining about those who do? It just seems whiny and envious to complain.

i disagree. if conservatives actually stood up and did something about those who lie, cheat and steal, perhaps the system (i'm talking about government -- not citizens) could be changed for the better. unfortunately, conservatives choose to look the other way because of their devotion to a capitalistic viewpoint.

 

[Reba]

angelina jolie's in high demand just like paris hilton (the one mind you who thinks everything and everyone is "hot")? sorry, but i don't buy your argument, darkdog.

I don't follow all the movie news but I wasn't aware that Paris Hilton was in demand to make movies the way Angelina Jolie is.

Well, if people are willing to pay for their "talents", let them.

 

[Reba]

i don't go to the movie theater to watch movies and i hardly buy DVDs, so i can complain about actors and actresses who make too much money all i want.

Of course you can complain but it just makes you seem jealous and bitter when you do.

 

[shel90]

I don't follow all the movie news but I wasn't aware that Paris Hilton was in demand to make movies the way Angelina Jolie is.

Well, if people are willing to pay for their "talents", let them.

Paris is in no way in as much demand as Jolie is.

 

[Hear Again]

Of course you can complain but it just makes you seem jealous and bitter when you do.

i could care less.

 

[naisho]

Come on guys, let's not rip open this can of worms again.

The problem is just MONEY.
Money can make:

Good people Good
Good people Bad
Bad people Good
Bad people Bad

It is just this controversy of having to "split" people by distinction over how much money they earn, regardless of how they had to build that up. If you recall my "what's the thing with money" thread last month, $$$ are just digits and have evolved into a social way of stratifying of the capitalistic front. Things would be a whole lot damn simpler if the world wasn't based off the currency form we have today.

Thing is, not much is being done about it and good and bad people alike are getting shoved with stereotypes for either having a lot of money or having none. What are you going to do about it?

 

[Hear Again]

I don't follow all the movie news but I wasn't aware that Paris Hilton was in demand to make movies the way Angelina Jolie is.

Well, if people are willing to pay for their "talents", let them.

oic. paying paris hilton to say everything and everyone is "hot." i get it. :roll:

 

[Reba]

i disagree. if conservatives actually stood up and did something about those who lie, cheat and steal, perhaps the system (i'm talking about government -- not citizens) could be changed for the better. unfortunately, conservatives choose to look the other way because of their devotion to a capitalistic viewpoint.

We have laws against stealing and cheating for gain. What makes you think conservatives don't want those laws enforced? I fully support laws against stealing, and I want all the criminals prosecuted. I just don't see any benefit in complaining about rich people.

 

[Hear Again]

dollar signs aren't "just digits" when you're struggling to feed a family of 4 or trying to make ends meet because you have exhorbitant medical bills.

 

[Hear Again]

We have laws against stealing and cheating for gain. What makes you think conservatives don't want those laws enforced? I fully support laws against stealing, and I want all the criminals prosecuted. I just don't see any benefit in complaining about rich people.

including soon-to-be-ex-president bush?

 

[Reba]

oic. paying paris hilton to say everything and everyone is "hot." i get it. :roll:

I'm glad that you get it because I don't. I don't spend one cent on anything about Paris Hilton.

 

[Reba]

dollar signs aren't "just digits" when you're struggling to feed a family of 4 or trying to make ends meet because you have exhorbitant medical bills.

I understand that. But does complaining about rich people help the situation?

 

[Reba]

including soon-to-be-ex-president bush?

Do you have proof that he stole money? I hadn't heard anything about that.

 

[naisho]

dollar signs aren't "just digits" when you're struggling to feed a family of 4 or trying to make ends meet because you have exhorbitant medical bills.

You weren't comprehending...

Why are there even dollar signs on the medical bill in the first place?

If the dollar system was completely eliminated, all forms of currency was done in some form of "crediting", where you go to work, you get a specific form of credit given for the time spent working. Each and every person gets the same amount of credits, one no higher than the other. Enough to get what they want in life. What's the need to distinguish in this in the format of money?

Money is just used to socially rank people apart from another, for what reason I have no utter sense of understanding why else aside from making certain people stand out from others.

Think back to the 1500's if you can. Maybe the 1300's. Before coined currency was declared as a norm. People just worked on farms, did labor, got healthcare that was done for FREE out of GOODWILL that were free of monetary grasps (although not technologically advanced), without having to rely on cash.

Now do you see what my point is? Somewhere along the line, someone thought it would be cool to add another factor called "HOW MUCH MONEY DO YOU HAVE!?" and it messed up everyone for the future. Not so much for those that are getting along with minimal issues, but that's just the minority. The majority is still struggling to work with this system today.

USA doesn't have free healthcare
Canada's economy isn't as booming as the US's
Europe has to deal with whatever struggling problems they have
Asia is recovering from their archaic forms of government to adapt to the new capitalism (yet continue this growth again)

The fix isn't easy, but like I've said tirelessly over and over - people need to get educated over this first, that's the biggest factor that's involved at this point in time. Everyone is just blindly following the system and caring about other means of problems aside from the real problem itself.

 

[darkdog]

Kudos to your dad.

My dad was an electrical engineer with a few patents of his own. (Not big money makers but he did get some profit from them.) I respect and admire people who have that combination of creativity, focus, and technical skill.

Thanks. I'm proud of him. You're right about those three traits. My dad is a physicist who has spent over 30 years working in the oil industry. This invention is the culmination of years of expertise where everything came together and clicked in the middle of the night about ten years ago. Of course, he's had to jump over many hurdles since then on both the technical side and the business side.

And I excluded them, didn't I? People who steal, lie, or cheat for gain in any "echelon", upper or lower, should be penalized, of course.

There are many wealthy people who are fine, honest, generous, hard-working citizens.

Agreed. I suspect the crooked ones are the exception rather than the rule.

angelina jolie's in high demand just like paris hilton (the one mind you who thinks everything and everyone is "hot")? sorry, but i don't buy your argument, darkdog.

So what would you have the government do to fix the problem?

And, those are the ones, I am sure, that are already aware of and willing to accept some social responsibility for giving back to the system that has permitted them to become wealthy. Which means they aren't going to be doing a lot of complaining, and are no doubt already making sure that they take actions that contribute to the better functioning of society as a whole.

In the instance of my dad, society will be better off, as I illustrated above, even if my dad hoards every cent he makes and gives none of it to charity. The market is not a zero-sum game where the rich get rich at the expense of others. That's a common fallacy.

By the way, my dad will most likely give some of it away because he's just a charitable guy. But that's not a prerequisite for his ascension to wealth to benefit the rest of society.

 

[jillio]

Thanks. I'm proud of him. You're right about those three traits. My dad is a physicist who has spent over 30 years working in the oil industry. This invention is the culmination of years of expertise where everything came together and clicked in the middle of the night about ten years ago. Of course, he's had to jump over many hurdles since then on both the technical side and the business side.


Agreed. I suspect the crooked ones are the exception rather than the rule.


So what would you have the government do to fix the problem?


In the instance of my dad, society will be better off, as I illustrated above, even if my dad hoards every cent he makes and gives none of it to charity. The market is not a zero-sum game where the rich get rich at the expense of others. That's a common fallacy.

By the way, my dad will most likely give some of it away because he's just a charitable guy. But that's not a prerequisite for his ascension to wealth to benefit the rest of society.

My reply was generalized and in response to Reba's generalized statement. It has absolutely nothing to do with your father, or his social conscious.

And it isn't a pre-requisite, but unless he has a social conscious, the tax system will have one for him.

 

[Reba]

...Think back to the 1500's if you can. Maybe the 1300's. Before coined currency was declared as a norm.

You need to go back another 2,000 years, at least.

 

[darkdog]

If the dollar system was completely eliminated, all forms of currency was done in some form of "crediting", where you go to work, you get a specific form of credit given for the time spent working. Each and every person gets the same amount of credits, one no higher than the other. Enough to get what they want in life. What's the need to distinguish in this in the format of money?

Wow. I don't have time to respond to everything here, so I'll just ask about this. Under your system, who would clean up elephant crap at the zoo and deal with cleaning up raw sewage? Who would have more glamorous jobs like photographing models or being rock musicians? Do you really think the guy stuck in elephant dung all day is going to feel like he's on the same level as the rock star just because he's paid the same?

Also, who would bother to go through the gruelling work of medical school and medical residence if he could just get the same credits for picking grapes at a vineyard in California?