'Company Policy: We are not hiring until Obama is gone'

[jillio]

If the government offers health coverage then companies will drop it like a rock to save money.

You really don't understand how the reform works, do you?
Well, I happen to know a few rich folks. I'm not talking about the rich folks working for someone else (by the way they're aren't that many rich folks working for someone else). Where did you get the idea they weren't paying for it? For one thing, I have never had a decent job that didn't offer health care coverage and I'm 47 and middle class.

A non-answer. :roll: Give some details from the actual reform leglislation that supports anything you are saying.

 

[TXgolfer]

feel free to provide examples such as clauses from Obamacare. I'd prefer that over blanket statement.

Try this.........Where do the feds get their money?

 

[Steinhauer]

Try this.........Where do the feds get their money?

Uh ... um ... uh ....

 

[jillio]

You should know better than to post this BS. You need to look in the mirror because anyone can look all through AD and come up with many post by you where you did name calling. That shows now true a hypocrite you are.

Rolling, rolling, rolling,
Keep dem doggies rolling...

 

[Jiro]

Try this.........Where do the feds get their money?

from us. just like how it's been for past centuries.

and?

 

[Steinhauer]

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/01/us/01ruling.html


just in case there are those that forgot - Obamacare was ruled unconstitutional twice ...

In his 78-page opinion, Judge Vinson held that the insurance requirement exceeded the regulatory powers granted to Congress under the Commerce Clause of the Constitution. He wrote that the provision could not be rescued by an associated clause in Article I that gives Congress broad authority to make laws “necessary and proper” to carrying out its designated responsibilities.

“If Congress can penalize a passive individual for failing to engage in commerce, the enumeration of powers in the Constitution would have been in vain,” the judge asserted.

 

[jillio]

You have lost your mind if you think we are planning this! We are in different time zones as well. We only talk on Facebook and another forum.

How would you feel if I said your husband's military service was just "LIP SERVICE"??? You are sick and need a doctor!

You really ought to read the Constitution of the United States sometime.

Dude, you are truly a disturbed individual. You have no business with a badge if this is the way in which you conduct yourself when faced with questions. Reminds me of someone else I know.

I have read the Constitution. The main point is that I have also understood it. Quite obviously, you have not.

 

[Jiro]

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/01/us/01ruling.html


just in case there are those that forgot - Obamacare was ruled unconstitutional twice ...

in case you didn't read.... a very specific clause from Obamacare was ruled unconstitutional and you'll have to read it to tell me what specific clause was I referring to.

The insurance mandate does not take effect until 2014. But many new regulations are already operating, like requirements that insurers cover children with pre-existing health conditions and eliminate lifetime caps on benefits. States are also preparing for a major expansion of Medicaid eligibility and the introduction of health insurance exchanges in 2014.

 

[jillio]

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/01/us/01ruling.html


just in case there are those that forgot - Obamacare was ruled unconstitutional twice ...

The Supreme Court will decide if those rulings were legal or not. And you are incorrect. The mandatory clause is all that was ruled on. You might want to know that does not affect the other tenets of health care reform.

 

[TXgolfer]

from us. just like how it's been for past centuries.

and?

How do they get that money from us?

 

[Steinhauer]

Perhaps the 2nd paragraph needs to be re-read?

But unlike a Virginia judge in December, Judge Roger Vinson of Federal District Court in Pensacola, Fla., concluded that the insurance requirement was so “inextricably bound” to other provisions of the Affordable Care Act that its unconstitutionality required the invalidation of the entire law.

maybe?

 

[Jiro]

How do they get that money from us?

thru taxes.

and?

 

[jillio]

"It's not that easy for Americans to take advantage of the Canadian healthcare system. All of the Canadians are issued health cards, which you are required to carry with you at all times. You would not be able to access the healthcare system without the card itself. Exceptions may apply though, for instance, having a heart attack, getting injured in a auto collision, etc. Anything that is not considered an emergency and first priority, don't count on getting treated for it without a health card.

Americans may be able to receive some type of treatment in Canada provided that they go to a private sector health clinic.
True, but it is very restricted in most parts from what I know There are laws in some provinces curbing or severely restricting private sector healthcare.

The majority of Canadians have health insurance which is usually received through employment."


WRONG and WRONG AGAIN jillio!!!!

Actually, I wasn't wrong. Banjo clearly stated that Canadians were not coming into the U.S. in droves to receive healthcare. Yet Americans are traveling out of the country not just to receive medical care, but dental care as well. Why? They can't afford the care in the U.S.

BTW...learn to use the quote feature.

 

[Jiro]

Perhaps the 2nd paragraph needs to be re-read?

maybe?

in case you don't understand what it means.... it's the judge's opinion and that he's saying legislators need to reconvene and discuss further. Read 4th paragraph and therein. maybe read whole thing before you talk to me? I'm beginning to think Cain will think you're a buffoon.

Meanwhile, entire Obamacare is still on-going which will take effect as of 2014.

 

[jillio]

Jiro,

I'm glad we can be civil with each other and still disagree. Thanks

But if the rich own their own companies and the company buys the insurance then they themselves are in essence paying for their own insurance.

Do you understand what "group coverage" means and the implications of such on premium costs?

 

[TXgolfer]

thru taxes.

and?

So...the Fed's can't actually giveth anything because they haveth nothing except that which they taketh making it quite impossible for them to giveth more than they taketh

 

[jillio]

The general feeling is that without the mandate the health care law will crumble. We will see.

Without the mandate, the effects of any health care reform will be seriously crippled. The greatest contributer to rising health care costs is treatment of the uninsured or the catastrophically ill whose insurance companies have denied claims.

 

[jillio]

So ... everyone is on the same page as Herman Cain?

"We don't have a health care crisis in America, we have a health care COST crisis in America" - Herman Cain

No, everyone is not on the same page as Herman Cain.

 

[Jiro]

So...the Fed's can't actually giveth anything because they haveth nothing except that which they taketh making it quite impossible for them to giveth more than they taketh

I'm not sure what you're saying.

The Fed giveth... and the Fed taketh. We pay in exuberant amount of taxes and what we get? minimal or nothing at all.

Did you think I was saying we should give nothing or something?

 

[jillio]

Meh, who's to say the government wont cut the same corners....or even more. HHS is already saying some elements of the bill are not sustainable

Because the health care reform bill has safeguards written into it that actually prevent it.

I have to ask: have you even read the legislation? Given some of the arguments you are using, I get the feeling that you haven't, and are just repeating what you have heard from someone else.

I know Jiro has read it. I know I have read it. I know a couple of others on this forum have taken time to read it. I'm just curious as to whether you are one of them.