'Company Policy: We are not hiring until Obama is gone'

[jillio]

How do you know that inequities won't happen under Obamacare?

You've never heard of people being dropped or denied services who were under government healthcare plans?

What do you think will happen when government funds are running low (or run out)?

For one thing, pre-exisiting condition clauses would be outlawed. That would be a huge improvement right there. They use absurdities under the pre-exisiting condition clause. For another, no one would be considered "uninsurable", another way the insurance companies keep their profit margins in the billions.

The same thing that happens now when government funds are running low. When was the last time your health insurance benefits were reduced?

 

[TXgolfer]

Oh well, hopefully the Supreme Court will make all of this moot in the next few months anyway.

 

[jillio]

Oh well, hopefully the Supreme Court will make all of this moot in the next few months anyway.

You do realize, don't you, that even if the Supreme Court rules against the mandate, many of the features of health care reform under Obama will remain? The Supreme Court is not being asked to throw the reform out lock, stock, and barrel, but merely to look at the constitutionality of requiring all citizens to have health care insurance. A decision probably will not be handed down before June. And first, constitutionality must be decided.

 

[Beowulf]

Ah yes....so much better to give that responsibility to cubicle-ensconsed government worker.

I would prefer that instead of a mandate to cut corners healthwise. A healthy nation is a prosperous one.

 

[jillio]

I would prefer that instead of a mandate to cut corners healthwise. A healthy nation is a prosperous one.

No doubt. Plus you have removed profit driven motive for denial. Not to mention the many other clauses used by the private insurers.

 

[Banjo]

For starters, those who have healthcare in the USA can use it anytime they so choose. They also get better care without waiting periods or being denied in most cases. Ask the Canadians why they come to America for their healthcare?

Well, I'll be more than glad to answer that for you. I don't come to the USA to get healthcare, I get it here in Canada.

Anyway, the term, "waiting periods" is used very loosely as if it applies to everything. The fact is, waiting periods vary based on the location, what health condition you have, what type of treatment you are seeking and more. Now, being denied in most cases? That is a BIG FAT LIE.

It's not as cut and dry as you are making it out to be.

 

[Banjo]

I think you have it reversed. More are going into Canada for healthcare and lower cost prescription medicines than the other way around.

It's not that easy for Americans to take advantage of the Canadian healthcare system. All of the Canadians are issued health cards, which you are required to carry with you at all times. You would not be able to access the healthcare system without the card itself. Exceptions may apply though, for instance, having a heart attack, getting injured in a auto collision, etc. Anything that is not considered an emergency and first priority, don't count on getting treated for it without a health card.

Americans may be able to receive some type of treatment in Canada provided that they go to a private sector health clinic.

 

[sallylou]

The worst part about being sick is that some people blame you for being ill. Like I somehow caused myself to have bone problems?

 

[jillio]

It's not that easy for Americans to take advantage of the Canadian healthcare system. All of the Canadians are issued health cards, which you are required to carry with you at all times. You would not be able to access the healthcare system without the card itself. Exceptions may apply though, for instance, having a heart attack, getting injured in a auto collision, etc. Anything that is not considered an emergency and first priority, don't count on getting treated for it without a health card.

Americans may be able to receive some type of treatment in Canada provided that they go to a private sector health clinic.

Yes, I understand. But even private sector in Canada is more available and less expensive than health care in the U.S. in many cases.
It is a shame that American citizens are finding it cheaper to travel out of country to get medical care and to purchase needed prescription medications. Where is the concern for these individuals, many of whom have worked and contributed to this society all of their lives? The concern only appears to be for some mythical business owner who might have to pay a few dollars contributing to a health care plan.

 

[Banjo]

Yes, I understand. But even private sector in Canada is more available and less expensive than health care in the U.S. in many cases.
It is a shame that American citizens are finding it cheaper to travel out of country to get medical care and to purchase needed prescription medications. Where is the concern for these individuals, many of whom have worked and contributed to this society all of their lives? The concern only appears to be for some mythical business owner who might have to pay a few dollars contributing to a health care plan.

True, but it is very restricted in most parts from what I know There are laws in some provinces curbing or severely restricting private sector healthcare.

The majority of Canadians have health insurance which is usually received through employment.

 

[airportcop]

How is it going to end if the government offers a plan for coverage for all. Anyone who is satisfied with their insurance coverage can continue with that insurance coverage.

Where to you get the idea that most rich pay for their own health insurance? And that most middle class have company paid insurance?

If the government offers health coverage then companies will drop it like a rock to save money.

Well, I happen to know a few rich folks. I'm not talking about the rich folks working for someone else (by the way they're aren't that many rich folks working for someone else). Where did you get the idea they weren't paying for it? For one thing, I have never had a decent job that didn't offer health care coverage and I'm 47 and middle class.

 

[sallylou]

And as you are the center of the universe, your experience must be universal?

 

[airportcop]

"It's not that easy for Americans to take advantage of the Canadian healthcare system. All of the Canadians are issued health cards, which you are required to carry with you at all times. You would not be able to access the healthcare system without the card itself. Exceptions may apply though, for instance, having a heart attack, getting injured in a auto collision, etc. Anything that is not considered an emergency and first priority, don't count on getting treated for it without a health card.

Americans may be able to receive some type of treatment in Canada provided that they go to a private sector health clinic.
True, but it is very restricted in most parts from what I know There are laws in some provinces curbing or severely restricting private sector healthcare.

The majority of Canadians have health insurance which is usually received through employment."


WRONG and WRONG AGAIN jillio!!!!

 

[airportcop]

What does you living in one state and him living in another have to do with whether the two of you can be logged on at the same time? I live in a different state than many posters here, but you will see us online at the same time.

You have lost your mind if you think we are planning this! We are in different time zones as well. We only talk on Facebook and another forum.

How would you feel if I said your husband's military service was just "LIP SERVICE"??? You are sick and need a doctor!

You really ought to read the Constitution of the United States sometime.

 

[Jiro]

Most rich pay for their own insurance. Most middle class have company paid private insurance as well if they are working. That may end if the government gets involved.
I know the older folks get Medicare too. Maybe that's what your speaking of?

in case you didn't know - the riches do not pay for their own insurances. they are covered by their own corporations.

dude... they are rich because they are clever with their money. they would not be rich if they have to pay for everything themselves.

 

[Jiro]

Yes, or maybe some would consider it government since I work for the city and they pay for mine while I pay for my family but it is private insurance company.

would it devastate you financially if your insurance coverage has high deductible?

 

[Steinhauer]

snopes.com: An Open Letter to President Obama - Lou Pritchett

 

[Jiro]

The problem with a national policy is that it also gives the government the power to control whatever it doles out.

Whatever the Feds giveth, they can taketh away.

with Obamacare, the Feds giveth more than they taketh away. same for private insurances. It is of a great joy for me to see ALL sick people to be covered and not be denied due to their preexisting conditions.

So, you would prefer that profit driven insurance companies have that power instead? Because that is where it stands currently. Just ask anyone who has paid into their private plan for 40 years and then had their claim denied when they were diagnosed with a catastrophic illness.

Ask the woman whose insurance company denied payment for treatment for broken bones because she was a known victim of domestic violence, which they used as a "pre-existing condition" to deny coverage.

Oh, I could go on and on and on and on.

precisely. Obamacare closes dozens of loopholes that health insurance companies can use to screw people and take their money to avoid paying for their expensive medical expense.

How do you know that inequities won't happen under Obamacare?

You've never heard of people being dropped or denied services who were under government healthcare plans?

What do you think will happen when government funds are running low (or run out)?

we can ask same thing for all other funds - social security, Medicare/Medicaid, defense fund, city fund, etc. what's new?

 

[Jiro]

"It's not that easy for Americans to take advantage of the Canadian healthcare system. All of the Canadians are issued health cards, which you are required to carry with you at all times. You would not be able to access the healthcare system without the card itself. Exceptions may apply though, for instance, having a heart attack, getting injured in a auto collision, etc. Anything that is not considered an emergency and first priority, don't count on getting treated for it without a health card.

Americans may be able to receive some type of treatment in Canada provided that they go to a private sector health clinic.
True, but it is very restricted in most parts from what I know There are laws in some provinces curbing or severely restricting private sector healthcare.

The majority of Canadians have health insurance which is usually received through employment."


WRONG and WRONG AGAIN jillio!!!!

correct. it is not easy but there are Canadians who sympathized and they do cheat around by claiming them as common partners or something. I forget the term they used but in Canadian law, they can be classified as common partners but not married.

It is cruel and demoralizing to see people dying away when they can be fixed with simple medications but unfortunately.... that "simple" medications in America is gonna cost you a life. Americans who caved in to pay for expensive medications will get better but will have to face lifetime of slavery to pay off their medical debt along with the possibility of losing their home.

Believe me - you are the poor. Maybe you don't feel it that way because maybe you are a member of union. One day when something happens such as a disastrous medical emergency where your medical expense will be as high as $500,000 or more, all these "feel-good" thing you've had it going in your life will be forgotten. You will be left behind. You will get a "sorry-too-bad-hope-you'll-get-thru" pat on your back. Under Obamacare, you will not lose your home and you will not die because you cannot afford simple medication. we will cover you. It is a social responsibility to take care of each other. Please do not confuse "social responsibility" with socialism or fascism or communism.

Believe me - I'm not a big fan of Obamacare but it's better than what we have now. Entire Obamacare law will not become effective immediately until several years later. It will takes time and there's enough time for legislators to fix it. Have some faith

 

[airportcop]

in case you didn't know - the riches do not pay for their own insurances. they are covered by their own corporations.

dude... they are rich because they are clever with their money. they would not be rich if they have to pay for everything themselves.

Jiro,

I'm glad we can be civil with each other and still disagree. Thanks

But if the rich own their own companies and the company buys the insurance then they themselves are in essence paying for their own insurance.