Cochlear recalls Nucleus CI500

Buffalo said:
There! That is the most audist remark I ever heard. Shel90 can speak and sign and yet you don't want Lotte to be like Shel90 or any Deaf who can speak.
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:roll: Sure.. pull it totally out of context... :roll:
 
Buffalo said:
There! That is the most audist remark I ever heard. Shel90 can speak and sign and yet you don't want Lotte to be like Shel90 or any Deaf who can speak.
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Not sure what your response has to do with cloggy, who said he doesnt want his child to suffer as Shel said she did, but are you actually arguing that NOT wanting your child to speak is audist?!
 
Cloggy said:
Beachgirl summed it up very nicely... here
But feel free to see it in any other way....
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Actually, I'm kinda helping you.. I can see it your way and I can see it their way. That's why I haven't said much.

I only said that just to clarify couple of things..

One thing I would like to remind people about is that ( I believe) English is not your first langauge and you are bound to say things incorrectly and I think that has happened few times here. Only thing is you haven't stepped on my toes and you have stepped on their toes. Have said that, they would be defensive and not take time to read what you really meant verses what you actually typed..

You may want to take little more time thinking about what you are saying.

We should take more time and think about what you are saying instead of taking it at face value.

(in Forest Gump voice) That is all I have to say about that!
 
Secretblend said:
Actually, I'm kinda helping you.. I can see it your way and I can see it their way. That's why I haven't said much.

I only said that just to clarify couple of things..

One thing I would like to remind people about is that ( I believe) English is not your first langauge and you are bound to say things incorrectly and I think that has happened few times here. Only thing is you haven't stepped on my toes and you have stepped on their toes. Have said that, they would be defensive and not take time to read what you really meant verses what you actually typed..

You may want to take little more time thinking about what you are saying.

We should take more time and think about what you are saying instead of taking it at face value.

That is all I have to say!
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It's appreciated.. and you're spot on...
And you're right.. I'm Dutch... but I will not use my knowledge of English as an excuse for writing something wrong.
btw.. A lot of posters here also have English as a second language...

But sometimes one is getting tired of tiptoeing through the feelings of the Deaf world, and is just answering.. Sometimes, this is precisely the reason why a poster is making a remark, statement, assumption. To trigger a quick reaction...

One of the most important things you said is.. "..they would be defensive and not take time to read what you really meant verses what you actually typed.." The same happens to me at times...

Your solution is only a partial one.. Apart from "You may want to take little more time thinking about what you are saying." there is also "They may want to take little more time thinking about what you are saying."
But again.. your post is really appreciated.. :ty:

I hope you will help others in the same way you are helping me...
 
I think a good amount of the disagreement comes from how people are thinking of a timeline. Some of us referring to what she went through during her growing up years and how she hated what she was put through. Others thinking in terms of what she is now. Two very different views from the same post.

I still think Cloggy is trying to present the first view regardless of how it is taken by some.
 
Going back

seems like there has been different interpretations of what Cloggy meant what he said to me this am...

I went back to reread it to try to see it from other people's perspective.

Ok, now I see it.

I think I know what set me off...it was this...

My comment:
Nothing new...
the deaf child has to adjust to meet the hearing kids' needs.
Nothing about the hearing kids having to adjust to meet the deaf child's needs.
The story of my and many others' lives.


Cloggy's comment:
I didn't know that the success of a 9-year old deaf girl can be so intimidating for you (and many others)...
Sorry that she can meet the hearing kids' needs.

How about being happy that Lotte and her peers will not grow up like you..???

I think the minute I processed the very first sentence...."I didnt know that the success of a 9 year old deaf girl can be so intimidating for you...."

and then got upset from then, then I read the 2nd comment...

"How about being happy that Lotte and her peers will not grow up like you??"

Because of that first sentence, I was already feeling offended so it set off for me to read the 2nd one as offensive as well.

Cloggy, I took it as you saying that you dont want Lotte and her peers be like any of us when they grow up. However, others saw it differently.

If I read it incorrectly, then my apologies but I hope you and others understand how offended I felt when I took it in the other way like I wasnt a good enough person. I wont tolerate anyone implying that I am not a good enough person because I cant hear. I will tell whoever says that "FUCK OFF" here on AD. I dont give a damn if it offends people with my vulgar language. Audism is an evil to me.

I really feel that I came out very successful and came out ok despite my very very very restrictive environment so if nobody can appreciate that...screw them. Yes, I am very passionate that all deaf children have that exposure to ASL and the Deaf community growing up as well as exposure to speech and hearing children.

However, another thinking was how is Lotte so different from me? She is being raised orally in an predomintatly hearing environment like I was. She is still deaf like me..jsut wears different devices so that is another reason why I felt offended by what you said this AM.
 
shel90 said:
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However, another thinking was how is Lotte so different from me? She is being raised orally in an predomintatly hearing environment like I was. She is still deaf like me..just wears different devices so that is another reason why I felt offended by what you said this AM.
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Thanks for that. Appreciate it.
I know you are succesfull and care for deaf children... I've crossed words with you long enough to know where you stand...
And when you - and many others - interpreted it in a different way that I intended, with the wording and assumptions used, I had no intention to write long posts explaining etc... Sometimes, anything, everything can (and will) be taken the wrong way...

Others did see what I meant, and that was good enough for me.. Glad you took the time to re-read the post.. and I'm sorry you took it unlike it was meant..

About your question..
Lotte is not so different from you. However, I think she hears far better than you did growing up.. She is in mainstream school and is doing good. Loves to go to school, finds safety there, has friends there etc...
So.. when you describe part of your childhood as "bad"... that is what we will do our best to prevent it happening to Lotte...

What do you think? Does she hear the same as you did?
 
Cloggy said:
Thanks for that. Appreciate it.
I know you are succesfull and care for deaf children... I've crossed words with you long enough to know where you stand...
And when you - and many others - interpreted it in a different way that I intended, with the wording and assumptions used, I had no intention to write long posts explaining etc... Sometimes, anything, everything can (and will) be taken the wrong way...

Others did see what I meant, and that was good enough for me.. Glad you took the time to re-read the post.. and I'm sorry you took it unlike it was meant..

About your question..
Lotte is not so different from you. However, I think she hears far better than you did growing up.. She is in mainstream school and is doing good. Loves to go to school, finds safety there, has friends there etc...
So.. when you describe part of your childhood as "bad"... that is what we will do our best to prevent it happening to Lotte...

What do you think? Does she hear the same as you did?
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I can see that you care about your daughter and all that which says a lot more than many of the absent fathers out there whom I know. I appreciate that more than anything above.

However, to the bolded..this is a very very sore subject with me. My best friend (deaf like me also) and I grew up being constantly compared based on how much we could hear by the adults and as a result, we started insulting each other by saying we could do this or that regarding to our hearing abilities as a result of having low self-esteems ourselves. It almost ruined our friendship. Thank god, we rose above that and are still best friends after 39 years of knowing each other. I just cannot do that..compare hearing levels.

Maybe others are willing but not me.
 
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Amazing how this thread mutated from N5 recall to a debate on oralism and childhood CIs.
I feel both sides have valid points. Having been hearing for most of my life and losing my hearing fairly recently I am used to having sound and being oral. I decided on the implants(including one N5) knowing that there is a small chance that someday one or both may fail. This debate and the recall have really made think about how would I function if one or both implants failed. If one failed, I could function with the other but I would not hear as well. I would be way more reliant on lip reading and would struggle. I actually just use the captions on TV to help practice with lip reading. If both failed, I would have to go to paper/pen and lip reading. I would also love to learn some ASL. Like Lotte I did have to come home from work one day to get some batteries but now I make sure to always have extras on me. I do so because I like to hear!

Parents deciding on CIs need to think about the possibility of the implant(s) failing and should make sure their child would have someway to communicate if the implant(s) fail(ed). I also agree that a deaf child should have some exposure to deaf peers. Only another deaf child will understand what a deaf child goes through. It seems that the parents on this board have done so.

I have to wonder if children implanted very young even remember what it is like to be deaf?
 
set2 said:
I have to wonder if children implanted very young even remember what it is like to be deaf?
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Wouldn't it be the same as those with HAs? When the HAs come off at night or weekends, or in water/bath/shower? Then there's silence, the same as those with HAs. (For example, I hear NOTHING without my HAs.)
 
AlleyCat said:
Wouldn't it be the same as those with HAs? When the HAs come off at night or weekends, or in water/bath/shower? Then there's silence, the same as those with HAs. (For example, I hear NOTHING without my HAs.)
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True..I didnt think of it that way. Memory laspe here. I have gotten so used to being told that deaf children with CIs are hearing that I forgot that they can still be deaf without their CIs! :lol:
 
set2 said:
Amazing how this thread mutated from N5 recall to a debate on oralism and childhood CIs.
I feel both sides have valid points. Having been hearing for most of my life and losing my hearing fairly recently I am used to having sound and being oral. I decided on the implants(including one N5) knowing that there is a small chance that someday one or both may fail. This debate and the recall have really made think about how would I function if one or both implants failed. If one failed, I could function with the other but I would not hear as well. I would be way more reliant on lip reading and would struggle. I actually just use the captions on TV to help practice with lip reading. If both failed, I would have to go to paper/pen and lip reading. I would also love to learn some ASL. Like Lotte I did have to come home from work one day to get some batteries but now I make sure to always have extras on me. I do so because I like to hear!

Parents deciding on CIs need to think about the possibility of the implant(s) failing and should make sure their child would have someway to communicate if the implant(s) fail(ed). I also agree that a deaf child should have some exposure to deaf peers. Only another deaf child will understand what a deaf child goes through. It seems that the parents on this board have done so.

I have to wonder if children implanted very young even remember what it is like to be deaf?
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Bold statement. Of course they remember what it is like to be deaf.... Because they are deaf. Take off the device or when the battery dies. They can not hear with out it.

You already know that. :)
 
Babyblue said:
Bold statement. Of course they remember what it is like to be deaf.... Because they are deaf. Take off the device or when the battery dies. They can not hear with out it.

You already know that. :)
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I knew that but I did forget. Maybe Set2 forgot as well. :giggle:
 
Guys, you have to remember I am late deafened. I was just putting the question out there. Now I know! Good point about the hearing aids. Yep, When I took mine off , things were definitely quiet.

Thanks
 
set2 said:
......I have to wonder if children implanted very young even remember what it is like to be deaf?
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Lotte doesn't know... but then again, the definition of "being deaf" is vague..
She realises she cannot hear without CI's and she's fine with that.. but she really wants to hear when around other people. Alone, waking up early in the morning, she can play for hours being "deaf" but even then I suspect her brain still "hears"...
 
Cloggy said:
Lotte doesn't know... but then again, the definition of "being deaf" is vague..
She realises she cannot hear without CI's and she's fine with that.. but she really wants to hear when around other people. Alone, waking up early in the morning, she can play for hours being "deaf" but even then I suspect her brain still "hears"...
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My brain still "hears" despite being very profoundly deaf but I still had deaf needs that werent being met. That is what I feel that many people dont really understand about deaf children.

Dont know if that makes sense but anyone feel free to elaborate on that because I am having a series of brain farts right now after forgetting that children with CIs can recall what it is like to be deaf once their devices are turned off.
 
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