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CSign said:
Well, you are presuming. The experience of one does not equal the experience of another. There are always extenuating circumstances. Not sure why you insist on taking such a "combative" tone with me all the time. I sure ignite some passion in you, don't I?
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Just to let you know, I had same problem with link or I thought. After waiting a moment, it finally went to link. I thought it was wrong also and was about to inform Jiro.
 
Secretblend said:
Just to let you know, I had same problem with link or I thought. After waiting a moment, it finally went to link. I thought it was wrong also and was about to inform Jiro.
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LOL- you're right. I didn't wait long enough.

Check that comment about the link.
 
GrendelQ said:
It's a tough one , Cloggy. On one hand, you'll have a thread full of posters saying: "Don't do what my parents did to me, I suffered. No one asked me what I thought. Don't let your child grow up like me." And you'll change the variables and the situation immensely for your child, and say, "I'm not doing what your parents did to you, he/she isn't suffering as you did. I ask her what she thinks all the time. She won't grow up like you." And you'll have several posters jump on you, "defending" themselves or the original poster in outrage by saying "What's wrong with [Shel, AlleyCat, and so on]? He/She's a successful [teacher, rockstar, whatever the person is, etc.] -- how dare you suggest she's not as good as your child, I'll send you recordings of my perfect speech, and so on...?!
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Spot On.!!
 
DeafCaroline said:
BG - Let's look at the entire post by Cloggy:
Cloggy said:
"I didn't know that the success of a 9-year old deaf girl can be so intimidating for you (and many others)...
Sorry that she can meet the hearing kids' needs.

How about being happy that Lotte and her peers will not grow up like you..??? "
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It's an offensive and unkind post.
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It is not how bad your childhood was, it is about how you can be happy for the possibilities for deaf children, instead of insisting that parents nowadays do the same thing as your parents did.. but then with ASL..
Why can't you be happy for Lotte and her peers?
 
Let me paint an extreme picture ---

A child has a father as an abuser. He beats the child when the child messes up but hey. The child has a different life. The child has good grades in school. The child is disciplined.

Then the father tells people; "Hey, my child has good grades in school, behaves well. Why can't you be happy for my child?"

Now, not saying that you're abusing your daughter at all. It's the question you're presenting that has of a message behind it - no matter what we're bad people if we don't answer or answer it.

BTW - I'm going to express disappointment in Lotte's peers for not adjusting their ways for Lotte's natural being.
 
Cloggy said:
It is not how bad your childhood was, it is about how you can be happy for the possibilities for deaf children, instead of insisting that parents nowadays do the same thing as your parents did.. but then with ASL..
Why can't you be happy for Lotte and her peers?
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we are not at all insisting parents nowadays do what our parents did. my parents raised me oral and mainstreamed. believe me, I don't insist on this.

once again, the message is consider your child's deaf side, not just her assisted hearing side. did you ever take advantage of the free sign language course offered to parents of deaf children in Norway? Or consider that there's a good reason why this 40 week program is being offered for free by the government?

Of course I am happy if Lotte is doing well, but would be happier if she wasn't the only deaf person she knew and that her family learns sign for her sake.
 
DeafCaroline said:
we are not at all insisting parents nowadays do what our parents did. my parents raised me oral and mainstreamed. believe me, I don't insist on this. Good point..

once again, the message is consider your child's deaf side, not just her assisted hearing side. did you ever take advantage of the free sign language course offered to parents of deaf children in Norway? Or consider that there's a good reason why this 40 week program is being offered for free by the government?
If you have been reading my posts... you would know that I participated in that 40-week program... We used sign.. Not any more..

Of course I am happy if Lotte is doing well, but would be happier if she wasn't the only deaf person she knew and that her family learns sign for her sake. She knows that. Actually, last week a program showed a deaf-school dorm and ghosthouse being build for free..("Driver... move that bus..!!) Showed it to Lotte, all those people signing, she liked it, she asked, I answered..
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Cloggy said:
And why would I like to change a happy hearing child.
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She's DEAF. and I am not asking you to CHANGE her. Forget it. I am not sure why you're here on alldeaf when apparently you don't need any input from deaf people and you consider your child "hearing".
 
posts from hell said:
Let me paint an extreme picture ---

A child has a father as an abuser. He beats the child when the child messes up but hey. The child has a different life. The child has good grades in school. The child is disciplined.

Then the father tells people; "Hey, my child has good grades in school, behaves well. Why can't you be happy for my child?"

Now, not saying that you're abusing your daughter at all. It's the question you're presenting that has of a message behind it - no matter what we're bad people if we don't answer or answer it.

BTW - I'm going to express disappointment in Lotte's peers for not adjusting their ways for Lotte's natural being.
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Man, what a depressing post.
 
Cloggy said:
Ah.. you took it literally...
Read it again, and think "metafore"...

Do we expect that?
Do Chinese people expect Americans to know Chinese when they come to China?
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As tourists, no. If they moved to China, good idea. I was in the deaf school where the hearing teachers are in the minority yet they expected us to speak. Still.... I learned to speak and most hearing people don't reciprocated by learning sign language. They have two working hands while I have ears that don't work without the hearing aids (crutches).
 
Buffalo said:
As tourists, no. If they moved to China, good idea. .....
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Precisely..
China is a society where they speak Chinese. The Chinese are not required to learn English, even though it is nice to know and talk to the english-speaking strangers....
 
DeafCaroline said:
She's DEAF. and I am not asking you to CHANGE her. Forget it. I am not sure why you're here on alldeaf when apparently you don't need any input from deaf people and you consider your child "hearing".
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Sorry.. You didn't. My mistake.
I realised that you werent asking that and changed the post while you were replying. Again, my apologies..

Oh, there's lots of good information on AllDeaf, thats why I'm here. And to use that info raising my daughter....
I just have to filter it out from all the insults, wild accusations, straightforward lies and groundless assumptions..
But looking through alll that crap.. there's lots of excellent information here...

But.. the "hearing" thing again.....
 
GrendelQ said:
I think this has come up on the boards before, which is what I'm going by, that the majority of those with hearing loss are oral and promote either oral or mainstreaming educational approaches. Several people have refined that a bit to exclude mild or moderate folks, and yet the majority of these still hold those views.

Do you think that seems off, that if we were to poll the majority of deaf ( people who identify as hoh, deaf, Deaf, but excluding those who are not severe or profound ) we'd find that the worldwide view is the same as you find as the majority view of the 40 or so frequent posters on AD?
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I think you polled only deaf oral kids when you should poll deaf oral adults who also know ASL fluently. This is a little like asking the virgins whether they promote virginity or not. They need to experience both sides before deciding on which side. I prefer adults because they have seen the real life outside the school while the kids generally don't.
 
CSign said:
So just to clarify and understand your position. You don't find it necessary or important to be proficient in English?

If that's the case, that makes sense why you don't align with the use of SEE to help DHH students acquire English.
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If you are in China, are you going to speak English in Chinese grammar? Why not as it will help you acquire Chinese later on???
 
posts from hell said:
......BTW - I'm going to express disappointment in Lotte's peers for not adjusting their ways for Lotte's natural being.
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Man... Express away.. That's sad...

especially since Lotte's peers have nothing to do with Lotte's natural being..

OK.. I'll help you before you make an assumption again, and have to make a second apology:
peer noun
1. a person of the same legal status: a jury of one's peers.
2. a person who is equal to another in abilities, qualifications, age, background, and social status.
3. something of equal worth or quality: a sky-scraper without peer.
4. a nobleman.
5. a member of any of the five degrees of the nobility in Great Britain and Ireland (duke, marquis, earl, viscount, and baron).
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Cloggy said:
I didn't know that the success of a 9-year old deaf girl can be so intimidating for you (and many others)...
Sorry that she can meet the hearing kids' needs.

How about being happy that Lotte and her peers will not grow up like you..???
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There! That is the most audist remark I ever heard. Shel90 can speak and sign and yet you don't want Lotte to be like Shel90 or any Deaf who can speak.
 
Buffalo said:
If you are in China, are you going to speak English in Chinese grammar? Why not as it will help you acquire Chinese later on???
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Buffalo, all due respect but that analogy doesn't hold any weight.
 
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