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Cloggy said:
I didn't know that the success of a 9-year old deaf girl can be so intimidating for you (and many others)...
Sorry that she can meet the hearing kids' needs.

How about being happy that Lotte and her peers will not grow up like you..???
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Ouchie. What's wrong with Shel? She's a successful teacher.

That's just awful. "Not grow up like you". You're a bully.
 
For many years I secretly thought I was crazy because mom would actually tell people: she can hear some things like a dog barking and the coffee maker. It was really confusing because I was constantly worried I wasn't using my ears right. I would strain to hear and even had my aids turned up so loud that my ears would ring for hours afterwards. The truth was- I never could hear the dog and I didn't know how the hell a boring coffee maker could be making noise. I do cringe when a parent or teacher of a deaf child is quick to say how much the child can hear. The audiogram isn't something set in stone, as it is simply a snapshot.
 
shel90 said:
I have a student whose first language is ASL and he is proficient with 4th grade English at 3rd grade. ASL did not interfere with his ability to master English. He had no SEE.

I've never stated that ASL interferes with ones ability to master English. There are bright students in all placements, regardless of the mode of communication that student uses.

Some of the kids who have transferred to our program with literacy deficits were in SEE programs. It is NOT a language. It is a teaching tool, that's it.
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I'm not sure when that will no longer be held over my head, but I hope it will be sooner than later. It's getting kind of tiring. I made it clear on page one I believe, that it was another mode of English. As to some students having deficits who used SEE, well that doesn't surprise me. There are deficits in students across all modes of communication. There are always extenuating factors involved, including parental involvement.
 
posts from hell said:
Let's not get personal but theres a different perspective:

AT 7 years old:

Shel: Her mom thought she does, Her needs are met, she's happy, BIG time.
Lotte: Her mom thought she does, Her needs are met, she's happy, BIG time.
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At 30-some years old:

Shel: My mom thought she did, My needs were not met, I suffered, BIG time.
Lotte: -------

There's no way of telling what Lotte's future may be like however looking at majority of ADers' experiences... I say most likely same as Shel's and mine.

But why bother? Norway and Cloggy got it all figured out so Norway must be a peachy place to live for deaf people. Perhaps I should consider living in there and not deal with bullshit in America.
 
AlleyCat said:
Ouchie. What's wrong with Shel? She's a successful teacher.

That's just awful. "Not grow up like you". You're a bully.
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It's a tough one , Cloggy. On one hand, you'll have a thread full of posters saying: "Don't do what my parents did to me, I suffered. No one asked me what I thought. Don't let your child grow up like me." And you'll change the variables and the situation immensely for your child, and say, "I'm not doing what your parents did to you, he/she isn't suffering as you did. I ask her what she thinks all the time. She won't grow up like you." And you'll have several posters jump on you, "defending" themselves or the original poster in outrage by saying "What's wrong with [Shel, AlleyCat, and so on]? He/She's a successful [teacher, rockstar, whatever the person is, etc.] -- how dare you suggest she's not as good as your child, I'll send you recordings of my perfect speech, and so on...?!

Just by adding a cochlear implant into the mix, you'll elicit outrage -- no matter what choices you make for your daughter in terms of primary language, educational placement, peer/mentor involvement, and so on (apart from packing away the CI) -- because you are expressing some value you hold for spoken language. Many people who give "bilingual approaches" lip service don't really mean it when when you are talking about anything more than the written mode of a language.

It's a no-win discussion. There's just such a diverse group of opinions here among Deaf people -- some felt that their upbringing was 'just right' and we need to replicate what was done 40 years ago exactly and will take it as a personal insult if you say you are changing it up, and others think what comprised deaf ed 40 years ago was hell on earth. I tend to fall in with the latter and want to see a better way. Today, deaf ed is very different from what it was 40, 20, 10, even 5 years ago. I do see some really great educational opportunities for deaf kids at deaf schools, in regional programs, in the mainstream, and outside traditional schools. Lots more work to do, though.
 
shel90 said:
Then why not have both ASL and speech? Why just one...which tends to be speech?
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The problem with having good speech for a deaf person is that their auditory receptive abilities usually lag behind their speech skills. This is where ASL comes in handy.
 
shel90 said:
Not grow up like me? See that's why many Deaf people don't respect u.
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Shel, YOU were the one who complained about how you grew up! So Cloggy is saying his daughter "will not grow up" *like that.* Will not grow up as you did.

He did not say his daughter "would not grow up to be like you," which would be a different thing entirely.

Since you were the one complaining about how you grew up, wouldn't it be a GOOD thing to not have a child grow up *in that way?*
 
Beach girl said:
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Shel, YOU were the one who complained about how you grew up! So Cloggy is saying his daughter "will not grow up" *like that.* Will not grow up as you did.

He did not say his daughter "would not grow up to be like you," which would be a different thing entirely.

Since you were the one complaining about how you grew up, wouldn't it be a GOOD thing to not have a child grow up *in that way?*
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BG - Let's look at the entire post by Cloggy: "I didn't know that the success of a 9-year old deaf girl can be so intimidating for you (and many others)...
Sorry that she can meet the hearing kids' needs.

How about being happy that Lotte and her peers will not grow up like you..??? "

It's an offensive and unkind post.
 
Beach girl said:
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Shel, YOU were the one who complained about how you grew up! So Cloggy is saying his daughter "will not grow up" *like that.* Will not grow up as you did.

He did not say his daughter "would not grow up to be like you," which would be a different thing entirely.

Since you were the one complaining about how you grew up, wouldn't it be a GOOD thing to not have a child grow up *in that way?*
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Just a food for thought: Shel grew up orally. Lotte is too.

E-Hug sent.
 
Beach girl said:
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Shel, YOU were the one who complained about how you grew up! So Cloggy is saying his daughter "will not grow up" *like that.* Will not grow up as you did.

He did not say his daughter "would not grow up to be like you," which would be a different thing entirely.

Since you were the one complaining about how you grew up, wouldn't it be a GOOD thing to not have a child grow up *in that way?*
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Again..I grew up orally and in a hearing environment.

If Lotte is growing up being a part of both worlds, then I am happy. Don't want deaf kids growing up in a hearing environment only.

However, lottte is growing up in that environment only just like me.

I don't tolerate people insulting me like that and I will be ugly right back.

Sorry that many of u don't like it but I don't like his offensive post towards me so it is mine and his problem, not all of yours.
 
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Beach girl said:
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Shel, YOU were the one who complained about how you grew up! So Cloggy is saying his daughter "will not grow up" *like that.* Will not grow up as you did.

He did not say his daughter "would not grow up to be like you," which would be a different thing entirely.

Since you were the one complaining about how you grew up, wouldn't it be a GOOD thing to not have a child grow up *in that way?*
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can you understand that the perspective for 9 years old and 30 years old is different?

both have same perspective as 9 years old but the difference is... shel has grew older and wiser and looked back at her 9 years old perspective....
 
Jiro said:
can you understand that the perspective for 9 years old and 30 years old is different?

both have same perspective as 9 years old but the difference is... shel has grew older and wiser and looked back at her 9 years old perspective....
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It's a bit presumptuous to say that Lotte feels the exact same way as Shel. There is really no way to know how Lotte feels, and the person closest to her on this forum is in the best position to gauge her perspective.
 
It's presumptive to declare and determine what another person can and cannot hear. To determine that parroting means comprehension.
 
CSign said:
It's a bit presumptuous to say that Lotte feels the exact same way as Shel. There is really no way to know how Lotte feels, and the person closest to her on this forum is in the best position to gauge her perspective.
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good morning. did you have a morning coffee yet?

Please refer to my previous Post #444 (linked for your convenience). I do not presume nor assume like you. I do have a direct experience with this subject and so do dozens of ADers in here. It's too bad that you don't know what it's like.
 
Jiro said:
good morning. did you have a morning coffee yet?

Drinking it now, thank you.
Please refer to my previous Post #444 (linked for your convenience).
So, did you link me to the wrong post by mistake, or were you attempting to make a point?
I do not presume nor assume like you. I do have a direct experience with this subject and so do dozens of ADers in here. It's too bad that you don't know what it's like.
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Well, you are presuming. The experience of one does not equal the experience of another. There are always extenuating circumstances. Not sure why you insist on taking such a "combative" tone with me all the time. I sure ignite some passion in you, don't I?
 
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