Cochlear recalls Nucleus CI500

:confused: about metaphor???
 
Shel, No you are not having "brain farts" my question was not put the way it should have been and was taken literally. The question should have been put as follows;

Would a child implanted very young remember life without the implant(s) and find life with the implant abnormal?

Here are some other questions:

Will a child implanted early identify as deaf, Deaf or hearing?

Would a child implanted early see the world as "Us" Vs "Them" and hate the fact
that the hearing world does not accommodate the Deaf/deaf as much as it should?

Would a child implanted early hate the fact that they are deaf without the implants or embrace the silence?
 
set2 said:
Shel, No you are not having "brain farts" my question was not put the way it should have been and was taken literally. The question should have been put as follows;

Would a child implanted very young remember life without the implant(s) and find life with the implant abnormal?

Here are some other questions:

Will a child implanted early identify as deaf, Deaf or hearing?

Would a child implanted early see the world as "Us" Vs "Them" and hate the fact
that the hearing world does not accommodate the Deaf/deaf as much as it should?

Would a child implanted early hate the fact that they are deaf without the implants or embrace the silence?
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Yes, according to several of our students who were implanted young.

They may not see the "Us" vs. "Them" yet but they do embrace the silence, identify themselves as Deaf (those who are teenagers now) and understand that the hearing world isnt as kind.
 
shel90 said:
But the funny thing is that "these" hearing people invented them to be used as teaching tools and then somehow it got to the point where people started replacing natural languages with them which caused all these problems.
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Hmmm.. Have a look for "Laurant Clerc: The Story of His Early Years" by Cathryn Carroll - 2002
 
Secretblend said:
No it's not irelevent. you are being defensive again. Please think about this..


The point he is making is that Chinese has hundreds of dialects but they choose one dialects so they can understand each other..same with sign language. Sign language is not based on English. It is its own language.. Others that was invented was to try to teach english to deaf kids using language they understand which is ASL..

If you want to teach them english do so under english.

but if you want to teach sign language, teach it as ASL as it is it's own language..

Lets put it this way..

you are teaching someone from American your mother langugage ( not sure what it is) would you add your language to English language and change it around so teach them your language? I don't think so, cause that would confuse them even more!


Teach the language as they stand on their own apart from each other..
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Whoa. Not quite true. China has hundreds of different dialects, but the Chinese people don't "choose one so they can understand each other." People in different regions speak their own language and/or dialect.

The interesting thing is that written characters can be understood by speakers of various dialects who could not understand each other if they spoke. That is a fascinating thing to me, and I've often wondered why the various sign languages for the deaf don't work the same way.

In other words, if in one sign language there exists a sign for "man," why isn't that sign universal, for all deaf everywhere? After all, it's not like you need to say "man, "l'uomo," "el hombre," and so on.
 
Secretblend said:
No it's not irelevent. you are being defensive again. .....
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It's irrelevant. And "defensive".? sure...
Here's why it's irrelevant..
Buffalo said:
..........Why do the hearing people expect the deaf people to learn to hear and speak when there is nothing wrong with their own hands????
Cloggy said:
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Do we expect that?
Do Chinese people expect Americans to know Chinese when they come to China?
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Guess this is one of those different views moments.. :dunno:
 
Beach girl said:
Whoa. Not quite true. China has hundreds of different dialects, but the Chinese people don't "choose one so they can understand each other." People in different regions speak their own language and/or dialect.

The interesting thing is that written characters can be understood by speakers of various dialects who could not understand each other if they spoke. That is a fascinating thing to me, and I've often wondered why the various sign languages for the deaf don't work the same way.

In other words, if in one sign language there exists a sign for "man," why isn't that sign universal, for all deaf everywhere? After all, it's not like you need to say "man, "l'uomo," "el hombre," and so on.
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Well I am not expert in language. :) So if I got that understanding wrong. Please forgive me.
 
Beach girl said:
........In other words, if in one sign language there exists a sign for "man," why isn't that sign universal, for all deaf everywhere? After all, it's not like you need to say "man, "l'uomo," "el hombre," and so on.
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I guess it is actually a bit like that. Signlanguage developed simultaniously in different parts of the world, so they are bound to be different.

The signlanguage in USA is derived from the French signlanguage. The English signlanguage is different from the French.
I'm sure French and USA signers will understand each other better than English understand the French..
 
Beach girl said:
Whoa. Not quite true. China has hundreds of different dialects, but the Chinese people don't "choose one so they can understand each other." People in different regions speak their own language and/or dialect.

The interesting thing is that written characters can be understood by speakers of various dialects who could not understand each other if they spoke. That is a fascinating thing to me, and I've often wondered why the various sign languages for the deaf don't work the same way.

In other words, if in one sign language there exists a sign for "man," why isn't that sign universal, for all deaf everywhere? After all, it's not like you need to say "man, "l'uomo," "el hombre," and so on.
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I am not really sure what you are trying to say here but there are differnt sign languages globally but most international deaf people can understand each other much quickly with using their own sign languages than international hearing people do with their own spoken languages do. I have seen that happen personally with Deaf Way II back in 2002. It was such an amazing and beautiful event of deaf people from alllllll over globally to come together like that. I cried. Just like the Olympics...how heairng people came together for the Gold medal.
 
Cloggy said:
I guess it is actually a bit like that. Signlanguage developed simultaniously in different parts of the world, so they are bound to be different.

The signlanguage in USA is derived from the French signlanguage. The English signlanguage is different from the French.
I'm sure French and USA signers will understand each other better than English understand the French..
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The English and the French would rather hurl insults at each other than understand each other. :lol:
 
Beach girl said:
Whoa. Not quite true. China has hundreds of different dialects, but the Chinese people don't "choose one so they can understand each other." People in different regions speak their own language and/or dialect.
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no..... The Chinese especially government chose ONE language which is called MANDARIN so that the entire country can communicate with each other.

Beach girl said:
The interesting thing is that written characters can be understood by speakers of various dialects who could not understand each other if they spoke. That is a fascinating thing to me, and I've often wondered why the various sign languages for the deaf don't work the same way.
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not really. You're not gonna find one regular Chinese person who can understand written Chinese language very well. It takes a scholar to know it well. It is incapable of expanding its language. That's how difficult and complex Chinese language is.

Beach girl said:
In other words, if in one sign language there exists a sign for "man," why isn't that sign universal, for all deaf everywhere? After all, it's not like you need to say "man, "l'uomo," "el hombre," and so on.
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There are many sign languages around the world but the exception is that ASL is pretty much the only complete language with its own syntax and grammar.

There is International Sign Language. It was used at DeafNation World and World Soccer Cup.
 
Jiro said:
There are many sign languages around the world but the exception is that ASL is pretty much the only complete language with its own syntax and grammar.

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:confused: :ugh:

Back to school!
 
Cloggy said:
It's irrelevant. And "defensive".? sure...
Here's why it's irrelevant..


Guess this is one of those different views moments.. :dunno:
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only one person in here is considering it irrelevant. oh well - you can chose to be ignorant. It's not against the law.
 
Beach girl said:
The English and the French would rather hurl insults at each other than understand each other. :lol:
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I have heard of that but is it really true? curious...why so much amniosity towards each other?
 
Cloggy said:
I guess it is actually a bit like that. Signlanguage developed simultaniously in different parts of the world, so they are bound to be different.

The signlanguage in USA is derived from the French signlanguage. The English signlanguage is different from the French.
I'm sure French and USA signers will understand each other better than English understand the French..
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ASL is not really derived from FSL per se. French educator came to America to teach deaf children sign language and from there..... they created their own sign language.... which is called ASL.

we all can understand each other with International Sign Language
 
Many long years of wars between them, for starters. More recently (although memories receding fast), the Vichy regime in France during WWII.

A lot of the "antagonism" now is sort of joking, something like football rivalries between competing teams, but there is really an undercurrent of dislike, at the same time.

My British husband has been known to make rude jokes about the French from time to time. Always joking, but still...
 
My friend who was born and raised in France has a strong dislike for English people. I just avoided that topic with her because if I asked her, she would go into a rant about it and I just go :eek: because I have no clue what she is talking about. :lol:
 
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