cochlear implants

^Angel^ said:
You lost me here, you interpreted Liebling for the choice she made as a parents, and asking her what's wrong with a child wanted to hear, it's not your place to tell her what she should do for her own children...If she feels that she wants to wait then she has that right as a parents, afterall they're her children...

Likewise I respect the choice you make for your OWN children, but I don't expect you to ask me question why I wouldnt want my children to hear afterall I'm their parents not you....
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First, I respect her choice. In this discussion, I'm focussing on the difference between "wanting the child to hear" and "operating in order for the child to hear".

OK, let's just simplify it: I'll ask you more direct: "Would you want your child to be able to hear"?
This is like: If your Yes/No would make your deaf child hear, what would you answer. (I'm not talking about operations, CI, HA, Sign, Oral)
 
Cloggy said:
First, I respect her choice. In this discussion, I'm focussing on the difference between "wanting the child to hear" and "operating in order for the child to hear".

OK, let's just simplify it: I'll ask you more direct: "Would you want your child to be able to hear"?
This is like: If your Yes/No would make your deaf child hear, what would you answer. (I'm not talking about operations, CI, HA, Sign, Oral)
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If they're deaf, then yes I would like my children to hear....
 
Cheri said:
Just because she wears CI, to pick up sounds, she is still deaf, which meaning that she is not hearing like a hearing person or equal as a hearing person. You can't tell people Well, my daughter was deaf and now she can hear, it make it sounds like she is hearing now. A lot of hearing people don't know CI unless they have deaf children or friends who wear CI. I've read about CI, and they all say the same thing it is not a cure for the deaf, it only helps them with sounds. ;)
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So you say that when you are born deaf, then for whatever reason you can hear, speak, you are still deaf????
I never heared about CI either. But then you learn.
I read the same books. But do me a favour.. have a look at the publishing date. One of the best books I read was "Mask of benevolance" but the CI section is totally crap because it's written 12-15 years ago.

You can't tell people Well, my daughter was deaf and now she can hear, it make it sounds like she is hearing now
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She was deaf, now she can hear - she's hearing!
What am I missing?
 
Sounds like nobody has the answer for a child's voice to be heard. I guess it always the adults in control. I guess you guys proved my point.
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Yup, that is why were are born to parents, rather than hatched out of eggs. It is a parent's innate responsibility to do what they feel is right for their children, rather than just throwing the kids out the moment they have stretched their wings. This is why our society is not that portrayed in "Lord of the Flies" with out-of-control children running amock.
 
Cloggy said:
She was deaf, now she can hear - she's hearing!
What am I missing?
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Actually Cochlear Implant is not a "cure" for deafness and your child is still deaf and does not give the child normal hearing like hearing people but the implants does improves the sounds by delivered to the brain and helps developes oral language abilities, about 80 to 90% of deaf and hard of hearing children who are born to hearing parents who usually want their children to be like themselves, to understand the sound, to use their voices and verbally express their thoughts through spoken language, and to hear the voices around them but it doesn't mean the child would be hearing just like their parents...
 
^Angel^ said:
Actually Cochlear Implant is not a "cure" for deafness and your child is still deaf and does not give the child normal hearing like hearing people but the implants does improves the sounds by delivered to the brain and helps developes oral language abilities, about 80 to 90% of deaf and hard of hearing children who are born to hearing parents who usually want their children to be like themselves, to understand the sound, to use their voices and verbally express their thoughts through spoken language, and to hear the voices around them but it doesn't mean the child would be hearing just like their parents...
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Of course, CI itself isn't the cure .. It's only a prosthesis.. a digital prosthesis.. It helps with the deaf person to be hear sounds.. it's like a bridge.. The person is still deaf.. In my opinion, it's the best to raise the deaf child in both of deaf and hearing worlds using HAs or CIs and sign language.. At a later age , he/she may make her/his own choice..

I'm partial deaf and I love my deaf world much better than hearing world :)
 
ecevit said:
Of course, CI itself isn't the cure .. It's only a prosthesis.. a digital prosthesis.. It helps with the deaf person to be hear sounds.. it's like a bridge.. The person is still deaf.. In my opinion, it's the best to raise the deaf child in both of deaf and hearing worlds using HAs or CIs and sign language.. At a later age , he/she may make her/his own choice..

I'm partial deaf and I love my deaf world much better than hearing world :)
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And I agree :D but I love both worlds ( hearing and deaf )....
 
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She was deaf, now she can hear - she's hearing!
What am I missing?
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She is functionally hearing not genuinely hearing.. She may hear some sounds and that's great but you child is still deaf and lives in a different world :)
 
^Angel^ said:
And I agree :D but I love both worlds ( hearing and deaf )....
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me too.. The point I try to say is that deafness enriched my sensitive world. .. I've realized so many colors of rainbow :)
 
CI's

The CI might, provide the impetus for an eventual digital replacement for the ear that WORKS near as good as an ear, is it this what the anti-CI sector fears ? That the CI holds out a promise of real access (One-on-one), to the hearing world ? and the realisation perhaps a deaf child/adult would prefer that ? Why else the heavy approach to culture and sign used against CI's ? experience seems to show us that when a choice presents itself, people make that choice, it may not yet be all over except for the shouting, but a few years into the future, who knows ?

I don't see much point in opposition to choice, and of course countries outside the UK and USA Will ignore the anti-CI view and push it forward regardless, then, the USA will HAVE to conform to that, because the American will see others have choices they don't. Democracy may well undermine deaf culture, simply by offering choice.
 
^Angel^ said:
Actually Cochlear Implant is not a "cure" for deafness and your child is still deaf and does not give the child normal hearing like hearing people but the implants does improves the sounds by delivered to the brain and helps developes oral language abilities, about 80 to 90% of deaf and hard of hearing children who are born to hearing parents who usually want their children to be like themselves, to understand the sound, to use their voices and verbally express their thoughts through spoken language, and to hear the voices around them but it doesn't mean the child would be hearing just like their parents...
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So.... we do not know what they hear, but we have to assume that they hear different than a hearing person, so even though she can speak, she's still deaf.
So when
the child would be hearing just like their parents...
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only thean she stops being deaf....

I'm not sure if I hear the same as my father, or my mother or my wife. Am I deaf?
 
ecevit said:
She is functionally hearing not genuinely hearing..
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So it is hearing.... you just made it more specific...
ecevit said:
She may hear some sounds and that's great but you child is still deaf and lives in a different world :)
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Now, how would you know that? How do you know "some sounds". When you are used to having sounds around you, wouldn't that imply that you are living in a hearing world?

I understand that you dislike the idea that it might actually work, but it does. She is growing up in a hearing world, not in a deaf world. NO matter how it sounds, it's her "sound"-world.
 
Passivist said:
The CI might, provide the impetus for an eventual digital replacement for the ear that WORKS near as good as an ear, is it this what the anti-CI sector fears ? That the CI holds out a promise of real access (One-on-one), to the hearing world ? and the realisation perhaps a deaf child/adult would prefer that ? Why else the heavy approach to culture and sign used against CI's ? experience seems to show us that when a choice presents itself, people make that choice, it may not yet be all over except for the shouting, but a few years into the future, who knows ?

I don't see much point in opposition to choice, and of course countries outside the UK and USA Will ignore the anti-CI view and push it forward regardless, then, the USA will HAVE to conform to that, because the American will see others have choices they don't. Democracy may well undermine deaf culture, simply by offering choice.
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Well said.
 
Cloggy said:
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I understand that you dislike the idea that it might actually work, but it does. She is growing up in a hearing world, not in a deaf world. NO matter how it sounds, it's her "sound"-world.
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I'm not against CIs.. you see it from my previous posts here.. I just want to state that CI doesn't restore natural hearing completely...

Anway, you did the best possible support for your child :)
I'm not judging you here
 
ecevit said:
I'm not against CIs.. you see it from my previous posts here.. I just want to state that CI doesn't restore natural hearing completely...

Anway, you did the best possible support for your child :)
I'm not judging you here
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I know, same here. I want to get across that I am watching a 3-year old girl growing up in a hearing world. Her surroundings are not silent. It can be when she takes it off, but she keeps it on, wants the sounds around her when she wakes up.

I have read the philosophical discussions about sound, pseudosound etc, but it's not relevant.
Even if it sounds like mickey mouse, then that's her sound-world and since she repeats sounds exactly, it seems to be working.
 
Cloggy said:
I know, same here. I want to get across that I am watching a 3-year old girl growing up in a hearing world. Her surroundings are not silent. It can be when she takes it off, but she keeps it on, wants the sounds around her when she wakes up.

I have read the philosophical discussions about sound, pseudosound etc, but it's not relevant.
Even if it sounds like mickey mouse, then that's her sound-world and since she repeats sounds exactly, it seems to be working.
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I think , we discussed almost all details.. Of course, we may have a little different ideas on some small topics.. but I don't see them as a disagreement.. We're in the same boat,I suppose :)

May your child have a good life :)
 
Cloggy said:
So.... we do not know what they hear, but we have to assume that they hear different than a hearing person, so even though she can speak, she's still deaf.
So when only thean she stops being deaf...
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Actually you said " your child is hearing " and I'm telling you the fact that CI isn't a cure for the deafness, nor means your child is hearing, it mean she can hear the sounds with the use of her implants, when your child isn't wearing the outside attachment of the implant, she is deaf...Like some children can hear well with the use of hearing aids, when others can hear well with the use of Cochlear Implant...
 
^Angel^ said:
Actually you said " your child is hearing " and I'm telling you the fact that CI isn't a cure for the deafness, nor means your child is hearing, it mean she can hear the sounds with the use of her implants, when your child isn't wearing the outside attachment of the implant, she is deaf...Like some children can hear well with the use of hearing aids, when others can hear well with the use of Cochlear Implant...
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OK:
A: define "being deaf"
B: define "hearing"

Choose A or B: The person that lost hearing at age 50 is......
Choose A or B: The same person that regained hearing after losing hearing is..
 
ecevit said:
I think , we discussed almost all details.. Of course, we may have a little different ideas on some small topics.. but I don't see them as a disagreement.. We're in the same boat,I suppose :)

May your child have a good life :)
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Thanks for your post.
In the same boat... possibly we are. What's your experience with children that got CI before they learned to speak?
 
Cloggy said:
.. What's your experience with children that got CI before they learned to speak?
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I'm still single .. expecting for my future princess to come :)

I don't have any experience with children having CI.. There are not many deaf people around me in my family either.. I come from a hearing family but there are quite a few hard of hearing people including myself,my dad, my paternal uncles and paternal aunts.. My dad's mother is nearly a deaf person but she doesn't use CI.. She's old and she's deaf nearly 60 years so even if she used CI she probably wouldn't get much benefit from a CI..

I mostly do read about deafness,HAs and CIs.. searching knowledge to improve myself.. in this forum , I did read a lot about deafness and CI and related issues..
 
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