cochlear implants

Hummm Interesting....

Sounds like nobody has the answer for a child's voice to be heard. I guess it always the adults in control. I guess you guys proved my point. ;)
 
On the contrary - I think its up to the parents to have a voice for their children, as is the norm. Parents have the best interests of their children at heart, in all aspects, and it should be their business alone as to what THEY decide is best for their child. If what they decide doesn't hurt YOU, and is breaking no laws, then you shouldn't stress yourself over it.
 
neecy said:
On the contrary - I think its up to the parents to have a voice for their children, as is the norm. Parents have the best interests of their children at heart, in all aspects, and it should be their business alone as to what THEY decide is best for their child. If what they decide doesn't hurt YOU, and is breaking no laws, then you shouldn't stress yourself over it.
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I know it isn't about me, It isn't about the parents either, They're not wearing it the children does. What happened to Having the children ability to make those choices. It's their heads, it's their body, it's their ears, So you saying the parent have a voice for their children, what about the children's voices? I'm not even stressing myself, I stand up for all children those who haven't had their voices to be heard, because parents or adults have so much power control over them, by putting them on an operation table, cutting those poor children's head open to put a device inside their heads, so their brains can pick up sounds. It's what the parents wants, they want their children to hear. What's is it to be so embarrassed about? About having a deaf child who cannot hear. It's so pathetic.
 
Cheri said:
Does people think that you are embarrassed that your daughter was born deaf? It sounds like to me you are. What about your daughter's consent even if she is the one living with it, why do you have to make that choice on getting a CI when it is not about you, it's about her. I'm just trying to understand, no offended. ;)
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Absolutely no ashamed. Her deafness has been a great journey for us.
But think of it this way....
I can talk to my daughter, she hears the telephone, she is just like any other 3-year old.

How can I say she's deaf when she can hear.

Had I been embarressed, I would not have mentioned that she was born deaf, now would I?

And it is about her. It's also about us. And it's about our family and friends. And 99.8% of all other people around.
Why would I deprive her of the wonderful experience of hearing?
 
Cloggy said:
Had I been embarressed, I would not have mentioned that she was born deaf, now would I?
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You stated here in this thread, She was deaf but she can hear. Don't forget she is still deaf even with or without CI, Nothing you can do to change that fact. :)
 
^Angel^ said:
I didn't know we are to hear in order to know the dangerous in traffic?...

Dah... "I didn't know you cannot play sports with CI...." So perhaps I was being cynical....

I thought you respect other parents for their OWN choice whether or not they choose to implant their children with CI, ..

I do... but I see your point. It was a personal observation.

But tell me, Why would a parent NOT want their child to hear?
Remember, I can understand that you would not perform the surgery because you think the risks do not weigh up to the outcome, but then you still wish your child could hear.

Also there are some parents out there who are caution because of an increased threat of bacterial meningitis and rathers to wait to implant their children with CI and for that I can understand since there are serveral cases of children with bacterial meningitis after they're implanted...
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YES, that means that they do not want the surgery, but that doesn't mean that they do not want the child to hear. They do not want to take the risk!
 
Cheri said:
You stated here in this thread, She was deaf but she can hear. Don't forget she is still deaf even with or without CI, Nothing you can do to change that fact. :)
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That's where I disagree.
She experience sounds. In that sense she can hear. In that sense she's not deaf.
She's deaf when she takes a shower, when she wakes up, when she swims, when her CI breakes.

What's your deafinition of deafness.... Just that you have to be born deaf?
 
Cloggy said:
That's where I disagree.
She experience sounds. In that sense she can hear. In that sense she's not deaf.
She's deaf when she takes a shower, when she wakes up, when she swims, when her CI breakes.

What's your deafinition of deafness.... Just that you have to be born deaf?
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Just because she wears CI, to pick up sounds, she is still deaf, which meaning that she is not hearing like a hearing person or equal as a hearing person. You can't tell people Well, my daughter was deaf and now she can hear, it make it sounds like she is hearing now. A lot of hearing people don't know CI unless they have deaf children or friends who wear CI. I've read about CI, and they all say the same thing it is not a cure for the deaf, it only helps them with sounds. ;)
 
deafdyke said:
Cloggy, does she have a "deaf voice?" Does she still have significent speech and language delays? Does she still have social issues? (the gross majority of oral kids have pragmatic language issues, which is just a fancy way of saying that they have trouble applying the language they have to social sittuions)
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I know what you mean, but no. To give an example; she can repeat words and sounds exactly. Also she mimics intonation when asking a question. Her speech therapist commented on that since it's a clear difference between deaf people and hearing people.
When deaf, the question is marked by facial expression. When hearing, it's intonation (especially) that indicates the question.
 
Cloggy said:
Dah... "I didn't know you cannot play sports with CI...." So perhaps I was being cynical....
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:confused: I never said that>>> " I didn't know you cannot play sport with CI "

Cloggy said:
But tell me, Why would a parent NOT want their child to hear?
Remember, I can understand that you would not perform the surgery because you think the risks do not weigh up to the outcome, but then you still wish your child could hear.
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I can not speak for other parents here but only can speak for myself, and I have that right as a parent to choose whether or not I would want to implant my children with CI...



Cloggy said:
but that doesn't mean that they do not want the child to hear.
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Again where did I say that ?
 
Cheri said:
Hummm Interesting....

Sounds like nobody has the answer for a child's voice to be heard. I guess it always the adults in control. I guess you guys proved my point. ;)
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Sorry.. but what point?
 
Cheri said:
I know it isn't about me, It isn't about the parents either, They're not wearing it the children does. What happened to Having the children ability to make those choices. It's their heads, it's their body, it's their ears, So you saying the parent have a voice for their children, what about the children's voices? I'm not even stressing myself, I stand up for all children those who haven't had their voices to be heard, because parents or adults have so much power control over them, by putting them on an operation table, cutting those poor children's head open to put a device inside their heads, so their brains can pick up sounds. It's what the parents wants, they want their children to hear. What's is it to be so embarrassed about? About having a deaf child who cannot hear. It's so pathetic.
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I am not embarressed, I am not pathetic.
You don't get it. It's not about embaressment. That's a lousy argument (Often by by deaf people) to make hearing parents to shut up. It's not about embaressment, it's about wanting the best for your child.
You are right about the fact that the parents want the child to hear! But not for themself, since the parents can learn sign. But for the child because it means she can easily communicate with so many more people.
I'm sure you can find cases where the motives were completely selfish, but do not think that this is standard.

Again, what's wrong with wanting your child to be able to hear?
 
^Angel^ said:
:Again where did I say that ?
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I said that. You interpreted that as me not respecting a parents decision, but that's the step after "wanting your child to hear". Then the question is - "do I want my child to be operated on". That decision I can respect.

By the way - have a look here.
 
Cloggy said:
You are right about the fact that the parents want the child to hear! But not for themself, since the parents can learn sign. But for the child because it means she can easily communicate with so many more people.
I'm sure you can find cases where the motives were completely selfish, but do not think that this is standard.

Again, what's wrong with wanting your child to be able to hear?
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Parents learn to sign? Let me tell you something, My mother did not accept my deafness, wouldn't even learn to sign. Guess what Hun, She shut me out of her life, Her words were "If I was hearing, she would accept me equally as my other hearing sister, and consider me as her daughter." That's why I cannot stand hearing parents who wouldn't accept their deaf children, the way they were born. All they care about is having their deaf children to hear like a hearing person, when you know it's way impossible. If my mom knew about CI, I bet you she would even put that on me.
 
Cheri said:
Parents learn to sign? Let me tell you something, My mother did not accept my deafness, wouldn't even learn to sign. Guess what Hun, She shut me out of her life, Her words were "If I was hearing, she would acccept me equally as my other hearing sister, and consider me as her daughter." That's why I cannot stand hearing parents who wouldn't accept their deaf children, the way they were born. All they care about is having their deaf children to hear like a hearing person, when you know it's way impossible. If my mom knew about CI, I bet you she would even put that on me.
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I'm sorry you had to deal with that kind of upbringing - but you need to realize that just because your Mother wouldn't accept you as a deaf doesn't mean other parent's don't- they simply want what is best for THEIR child, and what will give their child the best possible advantages for growing up, communicating, and getting an education. Remember - most deaf children are born to hearing familes.
 
Cheri said:
Parents learn to sign? Let me tell you something, My mother did not accept my deafness, wouldn't even learn to sign. Guess what Hun, She shut me out of her life, Her words were "If I was hearing, she would acccept me equally as my other hearing sister, and consider me as her daughter." That's why I cannot stand hearing parents who wouldn't accept their deaf children, the way they were born. All they care about is having their deaf children to hear like a hearing person, when you know it's way impossible. If my mom knew about CI, I bet you she would even put that on me.
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I'm sorry to hear that BUT do not think that me and my wife are like your parents!!! I'll be the first to admit that they were WRONG!! However, the way they think is totally alien for me.
everyone in our hous, me, my wife, her brother and sister, all started communicating with sign. Teaching her signs, listning to her stories in sign. She is accepted like any other.

So please... NEVER assume that ALL hearing parents are like YOUR parents. From my point of view, they are the exceptions, not the rule!
 
Cloggy said:
I said that. You interpreted that as me not respecting a parents decision, but that's the step after "wanting your child to hear". Then the question is - "do I want my child to be operated on". That decision I can respect.
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You lost me here, you interpreted Liebling for the choice she made as a parents, and asking her what's wrong with a child wanted to hear, it's not your place to tell her what she should do for her own children...If she feels that she wants to wait then she has that right as a parents, afterall they're her children...


Likewise I respect the choice you make for your OWN children, but I don't expect you to ask me question why I wouldnt want my children to hear afterall I'm their parents not you....
 
Cloggy said:
I'm sorry to hear that BUT do not think that me and my wife are like your parents!!! I'll be the first to admit that they were WRONG!! However, the way they think is totally alien for me.
everyone in our hous, me, my wife, her brother and sister, all started communicating with sign. Teaching her signs, listning to her stories in sign. She is accepted like any other.

So please... NEVER assume that ALL hearing parents are like YOUR parents. From my point of view, they are the exceptions, not the rule!
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Don't need to get hostile, I'm just saying, Let's face it every time I hear a hearing parent wanted their children to hear, it more like reminding me of my mother, I didn't say my parents, I said my mom only. When you said, What's wrong with a deaf child to be able to hear, I find it kinda wrong in my opinion because it more like not accepting who they are as a person they became. ;)
 
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