Change the future for a deaf child

[Daredevel7]

and that's the view that hurts so many deaf people because hearing people look down on those who were raised using ASL. It is a view that I am fighting against.

It is like telling those ADers who went to Deaf schools that they dont have as many opportunities as you do.

It isn't worse than saying "People who go to rich private schools have a better chance to get into a good college than people who go to public schools."

Statistically they have a better chance, but that doesn't mean if you don't do well in public schools, you can't get into a good college. It mostly means if you do okay in private schools, you probably can get into a good college anyway.

 

[jillio]

http://www.alldeaf.com/our-world-our-culture/52928-any-hard-hearing-ppl-raised-hearing-world-2.html

many oral deaf people talked about their experiences being raised in the hearing world full time. Post #60 is very interesting.

Yes, that is a very interesting post, and a story that is often repeated by those who were in the same situation.

 

[shel90]

But do you go to AG Bell conferences? Meet deaf adults who are perfectly happy with being oral only? Or do you choose to spend your time in the Deaf community with people who feel like you do?

I dont need to go to conferences where I will meet people who look down on ASL users. I met an oral deaf person and we didnt click cuz we kept misunderstanding each other. Go figure!

I choose spend my time with people who respect me for who I am and that includes both hearing and Deaf people.

 

[jillio]

I don't mean to step on her toes but I think what Daredevil is saying is that she believes there are oral deaf adults who live in the hearing world. They don't join the Deaf community, and so you don't meet them. You meet the ones who hated being oral and so they learned ASL. That gives a skewed perspective. You never see the other side.

I think you have the progression a bit confused. It isn't that they hated being oral first, and then learned ASL. It's that they learned ASL, discovered exactly how much they had missed out on, and then hated being kept in an oral environment. They did not know how much they had missed until they had the opportunity for comparison.

 

[faire_jour]

How many A.G. Bellers do you think ever attend an NAD conference? They won't associate with the lower level signing deaf. Like I said, many think they are satisfied because they have never had anything else to compare it to. Keep yourself locked in that little box, and you don't realize there is a big world out there that you are missing out on.

And I know some oralist who would say the same thing about the Deaf community.

 

[Daredevel7]

Shel and Jillio, your friends and your son who went to college. I am willing to bet they did very well in the deaf schools. That's why they got accepted to college, and rightfully so. Im saying, if you are a C student, you're more likely to get into college coming from a regular school than a deaf school. Same way as a private school and a public school. I went to a private school, and saw SO many D students being accepted to colleges.

 

[jillio]

to your son!

My brother is going to a private university..he came from a deaf school.

One deaf guy from a deaf school got his Master's from George Washington University

One of my friends is pursuing his PhD from American University and he came from Peru not knowing any English at the age of 10, went to a Deaf school here in America.

I could go on and on...

people need to stop looking down on Deaf people who use ASL or go to Deaf schools. Geez!

It is just another one of those old stereotypes.:roll:

 

[Jiro]

Shel and Jillio, your friends and your son who went to college. I am willing to bet they did very well in the deaf schools. That's why they got accepted to college, and rightfully so. Im saying, if you are a C student, you're more likely to get into college coming from a regular school than a deaf school. Same way as a private school and a public school. I went to a private school, and saw SO many D students being accepted to colleges.

are you saying so many D-average students from your school got accepted to "prestigious" schools?

 

[shel90]

I think you have the progression a bit confused. It isn't that they hated being oral first, and then learned ASL. It's that they learned ASL, discovered exactly how much they had missed out on, and then hated being kept in an oral environment. They did not know how much they had missed until they had the opportunity for comparison.

Exactly...and people keep missing that point, I wonder why. No, I dont hate the fact that I have good speech skills and I am happy to have them. What I am not happy about was having to meet hearing people's hearing needs 24/7 without any consideration for MY deaf needs. However, that is not the reason I am against the oral-only philosophy...it was seeing many children with language delays year after year that did it for me.

 

[jillio]

It isn't worse than saying "People who go to rich private schools have a better chance to get into a good college than people who go to public schools."

Statistically they have a better chance, but that doesn't mean if you don't do well in public schools, you can't get into a good college. It mostly means if you do okay in private schools, you probably can get into a good college anyway.

Nope. Not unless they have the GPA and the test scores to gain admission. The requirements for admission are the same for students coming from a private school or a public school.

 

[shel90]

Shel and Jillio, your friends and your son who went to college. I am willing to bet they did very well in the deaf schools. That's why they got accepted to college, and rightfully so. Im saying, if you are a C student, you're more likely to get into college coming from a regular school than a deaf school. Same way as a private school and a public school. I went to a private school, and saw SO many D students being accepted to colleges.

And shame on those who think it is ok or allow it.

 

[Daredevel7]

are you saying so many D-average students from your school got accepted to "prestigious" schools?

Prestigious as in Ivy league, oh god no! But schools like Boston College, Boston U, and NYU. There is this "notion" that private schools are harder than public schools, which is why they tend to take people from private schools. Although, I can't tell you if private schools are indeed harder than public schools.

 

[jillio]

Prestigious as in Ivy league, oh god no! But schools like Boston College, Boston U, and NYU. There is this "notion" that private schools are harder than public schools, which is why they tend to take people from private schools. Although, I can't tell you if private schools are indeed harder than public schools.

If they are using different standards for admission based on whether a student attended a private school or a public school, they are in for a shit load of discrimination suits.

 

[jillio]

Shel and Jillio, your friends and your son who went to college. I am willing to bet they did very well in the deaf schools. That's why they got accepted to college, and rightfully so. Im saying, if you are a C student, you're more likely to get into college coming from a regular school than a deaf school. Same way as a private school and a public school. I went to a private school, and saw SO many D students being accepted to colleges.

Yes, my son did do well in the Deaf school. Not because it was easier, but because it met his needs completely and he worked hard.

 

[Daredevel7]

Nope. Not unless they have the GPA and the test scores to gain admission. The requirements for admission are the same for students coming from a private school or a public school.

You'd think so....it's even written on paper. Believe me I was SHOCKED to learn where those low grade students were going.

(PS Quite a few of them dropped out and came back home after the first year anyway. )

 

[Daredevel7]

If they are using different standards for admission based on whether a student attended a private school or a public school, they are in for a shit load of discrimination suits.

No proof.

GPA/SAT scores isn't public knowledge.

I guarantee you that if GPA/SAT scores were released to the public, there's gonna be some CRAZY inconsistencies there.

 

[jillio]

You'd think so....it's even written on paper. Believe me I was SHOCKED to learn where those low grade students were going.

(PS Quite a few of them dropped out and came back home after the first year anyway. )

If you are talking about open enrollment, then that would apply not just to private school students, but to public school students, as well. An admissions policy is standard. To alter it just because a student went to a better school, but shows lesser capability on grades and testing is illegal.

 

[jillio]

And I know some oralist who would say the same thing about the Deaf community.

Most of them would. Because they have never experienced anything other than their little oral only world. However, within the deaf/Deaf community are people who have experienced both. They have a valid comparison. Someone who has never stepped outside the box and experienced something else has no comparison. Its like saying "vanilla is my favorite flavor" when you have never tasted any thing but vanilla. How do you know it is your favorite until you have something to compare it with?

 

[Daredevel7]

Yes, my son did do well in the Deaf school. Not because it was easier, but because it met his needs completely and he worked hard.

awesome.

Also, I want to add: When I say that I think I'd do better in an oral only environment, I am thinking from a realistic standpoint, based on the choices I (or rather my mom) had at the time. If you ask what would be my IDEAL school, I would answer differently (wouldn't everyone anyway? ).

 

[jillio]

No proof.

GPA/SAT scores isn't public knowledge.

I guarantee you that if GPA/SAT scores were released to the public, there's gonna be some CRAZY inconsistencies there.

They are not public record, but they can be accessed. All colleges admission policies are public record.

The fact is, if the practice you are describing is going on, then those schools risk loosing federal funding, as well as having to pay out a huge amount on a discrimination suit. No reputable university is going to risk being shut down for something like that.

And again, if the university has an open enrollment policy, then they apply it across the board. In fact, with an open enrollment policy, all they are concerned with is that a student graduated from high school. That is the only requirement for admission. Admit everyone, and flunk out those that can't hack it. They could care less what high school you attended. Their only concern is that you have a diploma or a GED.