Change the future for a deaf child

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shel90 said:
So you disagree that many deaf and children people suffered from the oral-only approach?
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I agree that that does happen, and has happened.

But I don't think it must continue to happen.
 
faire_jour said:
Why do you think she should have gone to deaf school? Did she have language? Could she read and write well? Why do you think she needed sign?

The prostitution says more about her home life, family, etc than it does about her education.
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Yes, her home life was very neglectful. Although they seemed to have got round to teaching her speech.

I don't know about her comprehension though. I'll give you an example of this. We were supposed to go on this trip to blackpool. However she told me that we couldn't go because it was fully booked. I went to talk to the organiser as I thought we'd been the first to put our names on the list. The reason we couldn't go was not because it was fully booked. The reason we couldn't go was because the trip was cancelled.

I think that any 'Oral success' would be even more of a success if BSL was part of their programme. And in my friend's case being taken from her poor background and being placed in a Deaf school would have benifited her greatly too.
 
dreama said:
Yes, her home life was very neglectful. Although they seemed to have got round to teaching her speech.

I don't know about her comprehension though. I'll give you an example of this. We were supposed to go on this trip to blackpool. However she told me that we couldn't go because it was fully booked. I went to talk to the organiser as I thought we'd been the first to put our names on the list. The reason we couldn't go was not because it was fully booked. The reason we couldn't go was because the trip was cancelled.

I think that any 'Oral success' would be even more of a success if BSL was part of their programme. And in my friend's case being taken from her poor background and being placed in a Deaf school would have benifited her greatly too.
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How do you know?
 
faire_jour said:
How do you know?
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Simple: someone who can manage to deciper lipreading and faulty sounds and make any sort of sense out of them to became an 'oral success' would naturally do even BETTER if they were exposed to a proper education which focused on their strongest sense that is sight instead of their weakest one.
 
dreama said:
Simple: someone who can manage to deciper lipreading and faulty sounds and make any sort of sense out of them to became an 'oral success' would naturally do even BETTER if they were exposed to a proper education which focused on their strongest sense that is sight instead of their weakest one.
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you are wrong on so many levels.....
 
dreama said:
Simple: someone who can manage to deciper lipreading and faulty sounds and make any sort of sense out of them to became an 'oral success' would naturally do even BETTER if they were exposed to a proper education which focused on their strongest sense that is sight instead of their weakest one.
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Often successful CI's users hear well enough to not need lipreading. They are not receiving "faulty sounds". I have even heard of CI kids who hear well enough that they know when the voice of a cartoon character changes. That is not a distorted, inferior, mechanical sound. That is really awesome hearing.
Those are the kids that can become oral successes.
 
Even when CI's work well the child is still HOH NOT hearing so they can benifit from visual clues such as sign language and cued speech. If only so they can socialize with their deaf peers.

I was only mildly deaf when I was growing up. My parents tried to speak to me in both french and english. My brother picked it up as he is fully hearing but I just got confused and stopped speaking at all. I think if I'd been given visual clues at the time I might have become mastered french like my brother did. After all I read a case about someone in a BiBi programme that did both Cueing and signing in france. The child knew French, English and French sign language.
 
how does one do cueing and signing simultaneously or do you mean that this person learned both skills independently of each other?
 
dreama said:
Even when CI's work well the child is still HOH NOT hearing so they can benifit from visual clues such as sign language and cued speech. If only so they can socialize with their deaf peers.

I was only mildly deaf when I was growing up. My parents tried to speak to me in both french and english. My brother picked it up as he is fully hearing but I just got confused and stopped speaking at all. I think if I'd been given visual clues at the time I might have become mastered french like my brother did. After all I read a case about someone in a BiBi programme that did both Cueing and signing in france. The child knew French, English and French sign language.
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Actually, my daughter is hearing in the "normal hearing" range.
 
Hear Again said:
how does one do cueing and signing simultaneously or do you mean that this person learned both skills independently of each other?
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it is bit hard to explain because you need to be sighted in order to do cue speech. It is more of a "visual indicator" of vowel/consonant when the person is speaking. For example - obviously... when lip-reading.... the movement of lips when pronouncing a word (with absence of sound) can look like 5 other possible words.

Cued Speech is a visual indicator (one hand doing some signs on the face, next to lips/chin) while talking - that way you're able to know the exact word of what he's saying if you cannot hear him well while lip-reading. You could say that cued speech tool is more for oral deafie/hoh.

For example... today at the dinner gathering with my old friends at noisy restaurant... I asked my friend what's John Doe up to and if his wife's having a baby.

He said - no but they are ------ .......
I said - what? they are what?
he - blanning
me - what?? blanning?
he - paining! paining!
me - wtf?
he - P-L-A-N-N-I-N-G
me - ooooooo ok!

with cued speech - saying "They are planning to have baby next year" with one hand will do the sign for vowel/consonant for each or some of the words.
 
thanks for the explanation, jiro. someone here on ad told me that deafblind people can use cued speech tactually by feeling each handshape.
 
Hear Again said:
thanks for the explanation, jiro. someone here on ad told me that deafblind people can use cued speech tactually by feeling each handshape.
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ah! there you go. isn't it amazing about humans coming up with every kind of communications in many different ways?
 
Jiro said:
ah! there you go. isn't it amazing about humans coming up with every kind of communications in many different ways?
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yes, it is. when i attended my first american association of the deafblind (aadb) convention in 1996, i was amazed at how many different communication techniques each of the deafblind delegates were using: telebraille/braille tty, fingerspelling, tactile sign, fm system, tactile terp, platform terp, close-range signing, track signing (where the deafblind person physically moves the signer's hands into their visual field), braille/raised print alphabet card, print on palm and teletouch to name a few. :cool2:
 
Hear Again said:
yes, it is. when i attended my first american association of the deafblind (aadb) convention in 1996, i was amazed at how many different communication techniques each of the deafblind delegates were using: telebraille/braille tty, fingerspelling, tactile sign, fm system, tactile terp, platform terp, close-range signing, track signing (where the deafblind person physically moves the signer's hands into their visual field), braille/raised print alphabet card, print on palm and teletouch to name a few. :cool2:
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Hear Again, Those are REALLY REALLY COOL!!!!!!! I want to go to a convention!!!!! That sounds really fun, and educational!
 
typeingtornado19 said:
Hear Again, Those are REALLY REALLY COOL!!!!!!! I want to go to a convention!!!!! That sounds really fun, and educational!
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believe me, it was! i attended that convention the year after i lost my hearing. better yet, the theme of the convention was: "deafblind can..." which is exactly what i needed to hear (no pun intended). that year's convention did wonders for my self-esteem. i'm so glad dvr paid the entire cost for me to go and that my local deafblind center requested i use a tactile terp during the entire time i was there.
 
faire_jour said:
Why do you think she should have gone to deaf school? Did she have language? Could she read and write well? Why do you think she needed sign?

The prostitution says more about her home life, family, etc than it does about her education.
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Can you not see the interconnectedness of the three?
 
faire_jour said:
Often successful CI's users hear well enough to not need lipreading. They are not receiving "faulty sounds". I have even heard of CI kids who hear well enough that they know when the voice of a cartoon character changes. That is not a distorted, inferior, mechanical sound. That is really awesome hearing.
Those are the kids that can become oral successes.
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And where exactly did you hear all of this?
 
faire_jour said:
Actually, my daughter is hearing in the "normal hearing" range.
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dB and Hz ranges are not the issue. Discrimination is. Just because one can hear a sound in the "normal range" doesn't mean they can discriminate that sound.
 
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