Can children distinguish early on...

[rebeccalj]

I may be different from you and Rebecca....I need complete dark to be able to sleep but if my hubby is out of town on a business trip, then I need a nightlight.

Maybe I am audist in that way that i am just discriminating myself.

You audist you.

 

[KristinaB]

Hubby hates the nightlights, but I have to have them more-so now than previous. I also have to have them since I don't sleep well and tend to walk the house at night to relieve pain. Growing up, I always had a pitch-dark room to sleep and I was fine. Once I got married and he started working 2nd shift and then overtime and not coming home until 2am. We started leaving the a ceiling fan lights in the living room on (they were blue lights to cut down on brightness) and I always left his bedside light on and it was a 25 watt light bulb. Bright nightlights in the bathroom, mean even the men and boys don't have to turn on the ceiling light in the middle of the night for bathroom trips.

 

[faire_jour]

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Heck, I only identified as Deaf in the last 7-10 years and I've been Deaf my whole life. I'm 46 now. Does that make me 'slow' in my development?

You once say to me, "Even after exposure, there are those hearies that refuse to grasp that there are differences. Oh, well. Just leave them in ignorance, I guess."

Evidence of that in this thread?

Big time evidence!

no, the difference is that this child is being raised as a Deaf person. She is being raised with the cultural, educational and language aspects of being Deaf rather than deaf. The reason it takes most Deaf people so long to identify as Deaf is because they are not exposed to it. They don't discover it until they are adults. This child is being raised in and by the Deaf community. The only difference is the hearing status of her parents.

 

[Beowulf]

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no, the difference is that this child is being raised as a Deaf person. She is being raised with the cultural, educational and language aspects of being Deaf rather than deaf. The reason it takes most Deaf people so long to identify as Deaf is because they are not exposed to it. They don't discover it until they are adults. This child is being raised in and by the Deaf community. The only difference is the hearing status of her parents.

That makes no sense. How can you raise a child to be Deaf? By purposely oppressing the child? Sorry if I am nitpicking.

 

[AlleyCat]

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no, the difference is that this child is being raised as a Deaf person. She is being raised with the cultural, educational and language aspects of being Deaf rather than deaf. The reason it takes most Deaf people so long to identify as Deaf is because they are not exposed to it. They don't discover it until they are adults. This child is being raised in and by the Deaf community. The only difference is the hearing status of her parents.

So, my having been raised in a classroom full of other deaf children starting at 15 months old, attending deaf camp for 8 years starting at age 7, going to the deaf club and deaf events as a pre- and then-teenager means I had no exposure to Deaf culture? And even attended college (from age 17-21) where there were 3,000 other Deaf students? Ok, now I understand why it took me until my 30's to realize my Deaf identity. Wow. I was really slow to not realize it at kindergarten age.

 

[jillio]

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no, the difference is that this child is being raised as a Deaf person. She is being raised with the cultural, educational and language aspects of being Deaf rather than deaf. The reason it takes most Deaf people so long to identify as Deaf is because they are not exposed to it. They don't discover it until they are adults. This child is being raised in and by the Deaf community. The only difference is the hearing status of her parents.

The reason it takes most Deaf people so long to identify as Deaf is because they are not developmentally capable of doing so until a later age.:roll:

Your child being raised Deaf? Oh, yeah, with an oral school and hearing parents and bilateral CIs. You are in the twilight zone. The hearing status of her parents is one of the reasons she is not being raised Deaf. You just don't understand what you are trying to discuss. But it's okay. We're used to that from you.

 

[jillio]

So, my having been raised in a classroom full of other deaf children starting at 15 months old, attending deaf camp for 8 years starting at age 7, going to the deaf club and deaf events as a pre- and then-teenager means I had no exposure to Deaf culture? And even attended college (from age 17-21) where there were 3,000 other Deaf students? Ok, now I understand why it took me until my 30's to realize my Deaf identity. Wow. I was really slow to not realize it at kindergarten age.

Exactly. The whole "my daughter knows she is Deaf because I am raising her that way" is absurd.:roll: Just shows how little those making the claims truly understand about a Deaf identity.

 

[GrendelQ]

So, my having been raised in a classroom full of other deaf children starting at 15 months old, attending deaf camp for 8 years starting at age 7, going to the deaf club and deaf events as a pre- and then-teenager means I had no exposure to Deaf culture? And even attended college (from age 17-21) where there were 3,000 other Deaf students? Ok, now I understand why it took me until my 30's to realize my Deaf identity. Wow. I was really slow to not realize it at kindergarten age.

AllleyCat, if you were raised with ASL as your primary language, sharing language and a common cultural experience with other Deaf children and families, why do you think you didn't feel that you belonged within Deaf culture or accept yourself as a Deaf person until your 30's?

 

[jillio]

Because she was not developmentally capable of making such a distinction. She has already stated that.

 

[AlleyCat]

Because she was not developmentally capable of making such a distinction. She has already stated that.

^^^ That. I always identified as being deaf: not hearing, having to use sign if I couldn't lipread, having to have an IEP, a TOD, speech classes, etc. That was far, far easy enough to do -- understanding the concept that I was deaf.

The whole cultural implication of being Deaf and feeling like I was "at home" wtihin the Deaf community and at the club didn't hit me til my 30's. So many others here have shared similar experiences.

 

[jillio]

^^^ That. I always identified as being deaf: not hearing, having to use sign if I couldn't lipread, having to have an IEP, a TOD, speech classes, etc. That was far, far easy enough to do -- understanding the concept that I was deaf.

The whole cultural implication of being Deaf and feeling like I was "at home" wtihin the Deaf community and at the club didn't hit me til my 30's. So many others here have shared similar experiences.

Yeah, but Deaf people don't know anything about developing a Deaf identity! And evidently, I, and all of the experts in child development, don't know anything about it, either. LOL

 

[Beowulf]

AllleyCat, if you were raised with ASL as your primary language, sharing language and a common cultural experience with other Deaf children and families, why do you think you didn't feel that you belonged within Deaf culture or accept yourself as a Deaf person until your 30's?

Deaf children?
Once again, NO SUCH THING.

 

[deafskeptic]

^^^ That. I always identified as being deaf: not hearing, having to use sign if I couldn't lipread, having to have an IEP, a TOD, speech classes, etc. That was far, far easy enough to do -- understanding the concept that I was deaf.

The whole cultural implication of being Deaf and feeling like I was "at home" wtihin the Deaf community and at the club didn't hit me til my 30's. So many others here have shared similar experiences.

Same here.. I have always id as deaf since 4th grade but not as Deaf for a very long time.

 

[Audiofuzzy]

That is easy to understand. You do not have the knowledge that would enable you to know who is an expert and who isn't.

Not me personally, but I do have a true expert behind me I can consult with
any time - someone who finished medicine and specializes in psychiatry,
and has degrees in child development as well.

Something you can only dream of with your quick courses, Jillio
cuz as you stated years ago you only fnished mere courses, sweetheart,
and the fact that you laboriously memorized the vast majority of it without much talent for psychology is obvious to me.
You are all hard, hard work, girl but not a knack for what you do, girl.
You are quite bright, but not that bright.
Dr Phil or Dr Linda you are not, let's face it.
Your 'fame' is limted to AllDeaf, and narrowed to well known you deaf issues, sweetheart, isn't it...

Your child being raised Deaf? Oh, yeah, with an oral school and hearing parents and bilateral CIs

So what??
Do you as an "expert" officially declare that a child can not grow culturally Deaf in a hearing enviroment?

I just told you how strong a sense of being deaf, who knows-maybe even Deaf
I persoanlly had despite having driven a hearing indentity into me since forever
btw, it only proves how pitiful, limited psychologist you are, Jill if you can't think outside the box.

As for me not being here sooner- I apologize, but I am on holidays,
and I have limited access to the computer.


Fuzzy

 

[Audiofuzzy]

Shel,

sure, sure, but weren't the greatest breakthroughs in science done by
the very people who dared to defy precisely the experts and rules?

Take Pasteur, for example. How long it took him to convince the scientists back then that the bacteria really exists....

Someone even swallowed the whole cholera bacterium culture to disprove Pasterur's point!

Fuzzy

 

[Beowulf]

Not me personally, but I do have a true expert behind me I can consult with
any time - someone who finished medicine and specializes in psychiatry,
and has degrees in child development as well.

Something you can only dream of with your quick courses, Jillio
cuz as you stated years ago you only fnished mere courses, sweetheart,
and the fact that you laboriously memorized the vast majority of it without much talent for psychology is obvious to me.
You are all hard, hard work, girl but not a knack for what you do, girl.
You are quite bright, but not that bright.
Dr Phil or Dr Linda you are not, let's face it.
Your 'fame' is limted to AllDeaf, and narrowed to well known you deaf issues, sweetheart, isn't it...





So what??
Do you as an "expert" officially declare that a child can not grow culturally Deaf in a hearing enviroment?

I just told you how strong a sense of being deaf, who knows-maybe even Deaf
I persoanlly had despite having driven a hearing indentity into me since forever
btw, it only proves how pitiful, limited psychologist you are, Jill if you can't think outside the box.

As for me not being here sooner- I apologize, but I am on holidays,
and I have limited access to the computer.


Fuzzy

You must be drunk.
A child cannot be Deaf.

 

[Bottesini]

You must be drunk.
A child cannot be Deaf.

What do you think Deaf means?

 

[Beowulf]

What do you think Deaf means?

Being Deaf means not only being deaf, but also aware of the social position it puts you in. A Deaf person is aware of the unfairness of a particular position and is ready to speak out against it when it happens and takes steps to remedy it, thereby educating everyone involved. A child simply does not have the necessary tools for it.

 

[jillio]

Not me personally, but I do have a true expert behind me I can consult with
any time - someone who finished medicine and specializes in psychiatry,
and has degrees in child development as well.

Something you can only dream of with your quick courses, Jillio
cuz as you stated years ago you only fnished mere courses, sweetheart,
and the fact that you laboriously memorized the vast majority of it without much talent for psychology is obvious to me.
You are all hard, hard work, girl but not a knack for what you do, girl.
You are quite bright, but not that bright.
Dr Phil or Dr Linda you are not, let's face it.
Your 'fame' is limted to AllDeaf, and narrowed to well known you deaf issues, sweetheart, isn't it...





So what??
Do you as an "expert" officially declare that a child can not grow culturally Deaf in a hearing enviroment?

I just told you how strong a sense of being deaf, who knows-maybe even Deaf
I persoanlly had despite having driven a hearing indentity into me since forever
btw, it only proves how pitiful, limited psychologist you are, Jill if you can't think outside the box.

As for me not being here sooner- I apologize, but I am on holidays,
and I have limited access to the computer.


Fuzzy

You are pitiful, Fuzzy. You give the deaf a bad name.:roll:
Really, you need to take the time to learn a bit and confirm a few facts before you put your fingers to work. Ignorance bleeds from your posts.

 

[jillio]

Shel,

sure, sure, but weren't the greatest breakthroughs in science done by
the very people who dared to defy precisely the experts and rules?

Take Pasteur, for example. How long it took him to convince the scientists back then that the bacteria really exists....

Someone even swallowed the whole cholera bacterium culture to disprove Pasterur's point!

Fuzzy

Fallicious comparison. You have only enough knowledge to show us all exactly how little you really know.