Can children distinguish early on...

Fuzzy, my response stands, despite Jillio's differing opinion about what my child thinks: at 5, Li distinguishes that she's deaf, and she identifies as Deaf and has an ability to affiliate on a cultural basis. But, no, not claiming that she thinks as an adult, that ability is entirely age appropriate.
 
Just keep on believing that. Don't let fact get in your way.:laugh2:

Where is DeafDoc when you need her? But confirmation of the facts probably wouldn't make any difference.
 
Fuzzy, my response stands, despite Jillio's differing opinion about what my child thinks: at 5, Li distinguishes that she's deaf, and she identifies as Deaf and has an ability to affiliate on a cultural basis. But, no, not claiming that she thinks as an adult, that ability is entirely age appropriate.

But it takes an adult to be truly Deaf.
 
Fuzzy,

Are you asking what is actually possible, or what someone believes is possible. Those, obviously, are 2 very different things. It is natural for new parents to believe that their child is a genius and very far advanced when compared to others. But rarely does it play out in fact.
 
You are forgetting one thing, though, Jillio - my parents were not doing anything right when it comes to addressing my needs as deaf, Deaf,
HoH or whatever my hearing impairment required in terms of me as a DEAF person.

Apart from making sure everybody was notified in advance I am hearing impaired, taking me to the doctors to save whatever hearing I have left, even paying thru the nose for ear surgery which most dr insisted won't save my hearing let alone help it (indeed it didn't)
and at the age of 12 supplying me with my first HAs,
they decided from the start I will be raised as a hearing person.

I was fully immersed in a hearing world. Period.

I developed my deaf identity on my own. Also period.

If I was able to develop a deaf identity on my own in such opposite environment, and was always pulled toward other HoH and deaf persons
(I had deaf signing older brother)
chances are, a young child CAN instinctively have a sense of belonging
to a specific certain group even if such young child doesn't fully understand what it all exactly involves.

OK, maybe saying a 5 years old feel "culturally deaf" is a stretch but I think
it safe to say they have a strong SENSE of belonging to culturally Deaf -
how about that?


Lat but not least -j ust because something is declared measurable, it doesn't mean it is always
100%, ultimately, absolutely right.
But if you want to be such a a stickler for the rules, be me guest :giggle:

Fuzzy

Yes, you identified witht he physical characteristics of being deaf but did you identify yourself as Deaf?
 
You are forgetting one thing, though, Jillio - my parents were not doing anything right when it comes to addressing my needs as deaf, Deaf,
HoH or whatever my hearing impairment required in terms of me as a DEAF person.

Apart from making sure everybody was notified in advance I am hearing impaired, taking me to the doctors to save whatever hearing I have left, even paying thru the nose for ear surgery which most dr insisted won't save my hearing let alone help it (indeed it didn't)
and at the age of 12 supplying me with my first HAs,
they decided from the start I will be raised as a hearing person.

I was fully immersed in a hearing world. Period.

I developed my deaf identity on my own. Also period.

If I was able to develop a deaf identity on my own in such opposite environment, and was always pulled toward other HoH and deaf persons
(I had deaf signing older brother)
chances are, a young child CAN instinctively have a sense of belonging
to a specific certain group even if such young child doesn't fully understand what it all exactly involves.

OK, maybe saying a 5 years old feel "culturally deaf" is a stretch but I think
it safe to say they have a strong SENSE of belonging to culturally Deaf -
how about that?


Lat but not least -j ust because something is declared measurable, it doesn't mean it is always
100%, ultimately, absolutely right.
But if you want to be such a a stickler for the rules, be me guest :giggle:

Fuzzy

Yes, you identified with the physical characteristics of being deaf but did you identify yourself as Deaf?

It seems like there is some confusion between deaf and Deaf.
 
I do believe Fuzzy had made the statement that she began the process of identifying as Deaf at a young age, so it's not just the "hearing" that disagree with you.

No, she has never said that.

Besides, she has been a member here on AD for a while and from what I remember of her, she has always felt more comfortable and identified with the hearing world rather than the Deaf world so how would she be able to identify herself as Deaf?
 
But it takes an adult to be truly Deaf.

Agreed...even my 10 year old students do not fully grasp the concept of Deaf culture. They are just learning and understanding it. The 5 year olds are just learning and understanding the physical differences between deafness and having hearing.

I didnt even understand the concept of "culture" until middle school.
 
Fuzzy, my response stands, despite Jillio's differing opinion about what my child thinks: at 5, Li distinguishes that she's deaf, and she identifies as Deaf and has an ability to affiliate on a cultural basis. But, no, not claiming that she thinks as an adult, that ability is entirely age appropriate.

I firmly believe a mother who spends time with and observes carefully her own child 24/7 knows better than some unknown, self calling "child expert".

Sorry Jillio, but for all those years I know you by now, you are no valid expert for me.
Not to mention how manipulative you are, and you'd do anything to prove YOUR POINT at all cost, period.

So yes, I absolutely believe GrendelQ not you, more over, I understand the niuances she is trying to say about her daughter instinctual sense of belonging to Deaf culture even if she doesn't fully comprehends what exactly does that encompasses - she just FEELS IT, with all her little 5 y.o. being.
Is that so hard to understand?


Is that so hard to understand?


Now, as for me identifying as Deaf.

Don't be so sure, "expert", you don't know first thing about me.

Fuzzy
 
Erikson’s Stages of Development | Learning Theories


3. Preschooler: 3 to 5 Years

Initiative vs. Guilt – Purpose

During this period we experience a desire to copy the adults around us and take initiative in creating play situations. We make up stories with Barbie’s and Ken’s, toy phones and miniature cars, playing out roles in a trial universe, experimenting with the blueprint for what we believe it means to be an adult. We also begin to use that wonderful word for exploring the world—”WHY?”

While Erikson was influenced by Freud, he downplays biological sexuality in favor of the psychosocial features of conflict between child and parents. Nevertheless, he said that at this stage we usually become involved in the classic “Oedipal struggle” and resolve this struggle through “social role identification.” If we’re frustrated over natural desires and goals, we may easily experience guilt.

The most significant relationship is with the basic family.






5. Adolescent: 12 to 18 Years

Identity vs. Role Confusion – Fidelity

Up until this fifth stage, development depends on what is done to a person. At this point, development now depends primarily upon what a person does. An adolescent must struggle to discover and find his or her own identity, while negotiating and struggling with social interactions and “fitting in”, and developing a sense of morality and right from wrong.

Some attempt to delay entrance to adulthood and withdraw from responsibilities (moratorium). Those unsuccessful with this stage tend to experience role confusion and upheaval. Adolescents begin to develop a strong affiliation and devotion to ideals, causes, and friends.




Yep, Jillio is just a so-called child expert. Guess you can say the same about Erikson too.
 
Right. It is only those that are ignorant to the subject that seem to want to throw out statements about how wrong I am. It just shows that they do not have the knowledge they need to even be discussing child development.:lol:

I am sure the world of developmental psychology will be revising all of their theories tomorrow based on what Fuzzy and a parent blinded by their belief that their child is a genious believes. I am certain that Erik Erikson is rolling over in his grave with embarrassment over his own ignorance. LOL
 
I firmly believe a mother who spends time with and observes carefully her own child 24/7 knows better than some unknown, self calling "child expert".

Sorry Jillio, but for all those years I know you by now, you are no valid expert for me.
Not to mention how manipulative you are, and you'd do anything to prove YOUR POINT at all cost, period.

So yes, I absolutely believe GrendelQ not you, more over, I understand the niuances she is trying to say about her daughter instinctual sense of belonging to Deaf culture even if she doesn't fully comprehends what exactly does that encompasses - she just FEELS IT, with all her little 5 y.o. being.
Is that so hard to understand?


Is that so hard to understand?


Now, as for me identifying as Deaf.

Don't be so sure, "expert", you don't know first thing about me.

Fuzzy

That is easy to understand. You do not have the knowledge that would enable you to know who is an expert and who isn't.:laugh2:
 
Right. It is only those that are ignorant to the subject that seem to want to throw out statements about how wrong I am. It just shows that they do not have the knowledge they need to even be discussing child development.:lol:

I know...

I think they want to say that you are wrong because they have a personal vendetta against you. If it was someone with the same hearing perspectives who hated you had said that children at age 5 arent ready to develop their own identity separate from their parents, I am sure they will agree.
 
I know...

I think they want to say that you are wrong because they have a personal vendetta against you. If it was someone with the same hearing perspectives who hated you had said that children at age 5 arent ready to develop their own identity separate from their parents, I am sure they will agree.

It's unfortunate that they'd see it this way cuz they have a grudge..
 
:lol:
It's unfortunate that they'd see it this way cuz they have a grudge..

I am seeing a constant pattern. Whatever Jillio says, IT IS WRONG!!!!!


Sure, Jillio can come across as extremly strong but in her field of work, she does know what she is talking about.

If Jillio started criticizing people for auto parts and how they work, then I would be very skeptical.
 
:lol:

I am seeing a constant pattern. Whatever Jillio says, IT IS WRONG!!!!!


Sure, Jillio can come across as extremly strong but in her field of work, she does know what she is talking about.

If Jillio started criticizing people for auto parts and how they work, then I would be very skeptical.

And with good reason. now if i were to claim to be an expert in math, PFH would blow me away as the math expert.
 
I know...

I think they want to say that you are wrong because they have a personal vendetta against you. If it was someone with the same hearing perspectives who hated you had said that children at age 5 arent ready to develop their own identity separate from their parents, I am sure they will agree.

Of course. It is so transparent.:roll: Shame that they place their dislike of me as a higher priority than becoming educated.:laugh2:
 
It's unfortunate that they'd see it this way cuz they have a grudge..

It is their loss. And it shows them for who they truly are. They do themselves more damage than I could possibly do if I had a lifetime to accomplish it.
 
:lol:

I am seeing a constant pattern. Whatever Jillio says, IT IS WRONG!!!!!


Sure, Jillio can come across as extremly strong but in her field of work, she does know what she is talking about.

If Jillio started criticizing people for auto parts and how they work, then I would be very skeptical.

The day I start talking auto mechanics is the day you need to have me probated. I will have completely lost my mind at that point and will not know who I am.:giggle:
 
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