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jillio said:
Most of the time we agree, Bott, but on this one...:hmm: I think Beowulf has an excellent grasp of the cultural implications as applied to developmental concepts.
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I know we do. But in this thread he keeps piping up shrilly to say, "A child can't be Deaf". (His own demeaning way of describing a deaf identifying child.)

I don't enjoy bullying people just to be part of the in group.

In fact , I disapprove.
 
faire_jour said:
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in the previous thread, it was specifically asked if a child, born to ***********s, raised in the Deaf community would be Deaf, and the answer was yes.
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Again, you are either failing to read completely, or failing to comprehend what you are reading. I suggest it is a combination of the two.:cool2:
 
Bottesini said:
I know we do. But in this thread he keeps piping up shrilly to say, "A child can't be Deaf". (His own demeaning way of describing a deaf identifying child.)

I don't enjoy bullying people just to be part of the in group.

In fact , I disapprove.
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But, he is just echoing the fact that a child does not have the capacity either developmentally or cognitively to choose a Deaf identity. There are those that keep piping up and saying a child can be Deaf. Despite the lengthy explanations and cited theories of why that just is not possible in a chosen cultural identity.
 
Bottesini said:
I know we do. But in this thread he keeps piping up shrilly to say, "A child can't be Deaf". (His own demeaning way of describing a deaf identifying child.)

I don't enjoy bullying people just to be part of the in group.

In fact , I disapprove.
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I have to agree with him, though. I don't know that he's trying to be demeaning. I know I'm not, even if I'm not always smiley-nice about it. Sometimes it takes work to show an important point. Some of us get tired of being pushed-over.
 
AlleyCat said:
Just a club or organization? Who the hell are you to tell me that?

Yes, I attend a d/Deaf club regularly. I attend DPHH regularly. So sorry that it makes you think I'm just a member of some cliche and say, "hey, I'm Deaf!"

It's the understanding that you are not alone in your deafness, that there's others out there that are similar (note: the understanding of that!), that we all share roughly a similar upbringing. This is not stuff we talked about at 5, 10, 15, even 20 years old. Sorry, I won't have you telling me (and the rest of us here), when we understand the cultural implications of this.
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:hmm: So, are you cussing me out for something in particular? I didn't tell you anything, so don't be so eager to get your panties in a wad.

Now take a deep breath and read again, you'll see that I was responding to Beowulf's definition of being Deaf, which seems different from the way Deaf culture has been described by the Deaf on this forum and elsewhere for a very long time. You'll see Beowulf's description of being Deaf as the state of mind of a person who advocates and educates against injustice, rather than as someone who feels a sense of belonging to a culture with shared language, customs, values and educational elements that distinguish it from other non-Deaf cultures. It's an interesting perspective. So simmer down and allow me to discuss that perspective with the person who framed it. Asking questions is something you try once in a while before typing up an ignorant rant such as yours. You might learn something, something I'm trying to do in this discussion.
 
GrendelQ said:
:hmm: So, are you cussing me out for something in particular? I didn't tell you anything, so don't be so eager to get your panties in a wad.

Now take a deep breath and read again, you'll see that I was responding to Beowulf's definition of being Deaf, which seems different from the way Deaf culture has been described by the Deaf on this forum and elsewhere for a very long time. You'll see Beowulf's description of being Deaf as the state of mind of a person who advocates and educates against injustice, rather than as someone who feels a sense of belonging to a culture with shared language, customs, values and educational elements that distinguish it from other non-Deaf cultures. It's an interesting perspective. So simmer down and allow me to discuss that perspective with the person who framed it. Asking questions is something you try once in a while before typing up an ignorant rant such as yours. You might learn something, something I'm trying to do in this discussion.
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Beowulf is Deaf. You are again attempting to be patronizing regarding the culture of the Deaf by demeaning it and reducing it to the level of some sort of "club".

If you are trying to learn something, you are using a very strange technique in doing that.

And no where did AlleyCat "cuss you out". Stop overdramatizing. It certainly doesn't make you appear as if you are open minded and willing to learn.
 
Bottesini said:
She was telling Beowulf what he described. It had nothing to do with anything other than his perceptions.

And I think he thinks it is like the Boy Scouts.
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Bottesini said:
I know we do. But in this thread he keeps piping up shrilly to say, "A child can't be Deaf". (His own demeaning way of describing a deaf identifying child.)

I don't enjoy bullying people just to be part of the in group.

In fact , I disapprove.
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Having a bad day? :hmm:
 
jillio said:
Beowulf is Deaf. You are again attempting to be patronizing regarding the culture of the Deaf by demeaning it and reducing it to the level of some sort of "club".

If you are trying to learn something, you are using a very strange technique in doing that.

And no where did AlleyCat "cuss you out". Stop overdramatizing. It certainly doesn't make you appear as if you are open minded and willing to learn.
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Thank you.
 
GrendelQ said:
:hmm: So, are you cussing me out for something in particular? I didn't tell you anything, so don't be so eager to get your panties in a wad.

Now take a deep breath and read again, you'll see that I was responding to Beowulf's definition of being Deaf, which seems different from the way Deaf culture has been described by the Deaf on this forum and elsewhere for a very long time. You'll see Beowulf's description of being Deaf as the state of mind of a person who advocates and educates against injustice, rather than as someone who feels a sense of belonging to a culture with shared language, customs, values and educational elements that distinguish it from other non-Deaf cultures. It's an interesting perspective. So simmer down and allow me to discuss that perspective with the person who framed it. Asking questions is something you try once in a while before typing up an ignorant rant such as yours. You might learn something, something I'm trying to do in this discussion.
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Sighhh...I am trying to picture a club in my mind and resist the urge to sing the Mickey Mouse song.
 
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Shrill is a word that is never appropriate. Neither is uppity.
 
jillio said:
No it doesn't. And that remark is way too patronizing to be ignored. Shame on you.
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Settle down and stop ascribing your own motivations to me. You obviously can't even read a straightforward statement without putting it through your bitter little filter.
 
GrendelQ said:
Settle down and stop ascribing your own motivations to me. You obviously can't even read a straightforward statement without putting it through your bitter little filter.
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Like you don't have any filters!:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

Now there's projection for you.

Try to get back on topic. I know it is difficult for you to stay on topic without getting nasty and throwing ad hominmens around, but at least make an effort.
 
Beowulf said:
Sighhh...I am trying to picture a club in my mind and resist the urge to sing the Mickey Mouse song.
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Shame on you. Now you understand why I'm tired of the patronizing attitude by questioning why we didn't come to that conclusion ourselves that we were Deaf at a young age?
 
AlleyCat said:
Shame on you. Now you understand why I'm tired of the patronizing attitude by questioning why we didn't come to that conclusion ourselves that we were Deaf at a young age?
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It wasn't my fault I had a screen full of Annette Funicello before I became Deaf, SEE? I am still lusting.
 
AlleyCat said:
Shame on you. Now you understand why I'm tired of the patronizing attitude by questioning why we didn't come to that conclusion ourselves that we were Deaf at a young age?
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Why you didn't has been explained over and over and over again, and even supported with actual developmental theories. Anyone with the ability to think understands "why" of that. Yet, there seems to be a pattern of asking the same question over and over and over again. Looks to me to be a case of not getting the answer they wanted, so they continue to rephrase and ask the same question.
 
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