Born in the USA?

[Banjo]

and I'm extremely glad that America did not follow that path except cities (they have cameras everywhere but it's for traffic purpose.. but not as extensive as UK). I cannot live in UK like that. It's ultimately a Police Nation - cameras everywhere, no guns, restrictive laws.

NO THANK YOU. UK'S POV toward American way of life IS NOT WELCOME!

United Kingdom is definitely headed in the wrong direction as far I am concerned. They have been changing quite a lot of laws in a radical sense and it's not for the better.

Cameras are pretty much everywhere in Canada and USA and not many are aware of where they are. It's because everybody is used to it so they don't even notice most of them. Even the ATM machines have cameras built in. In fact, at some casinos, they have cameras on the top of the slots to see who is playing.

Some states already has restrictive laws on guns despite the 2nd amendment.

That's the thing, even with the amendments in place, the states still find a way to get around them. Or sometimes they just blatantly violate the amendment and enforce the law anyway.

That's why I said people cannot be guaranteed the rights as provided by the constitution if the people they elect to the office are trying to change it or just not upholding it. People have to actually uphold the constitution and secure everybody's rights. People died fighting for the very rights that are being taken for granted by many people today.

It's sad. Although you are a true American and you believe in the constitution. That's good to see.

 

[Jiro]

BACK TO TOPIC - "Born in USA" as requirement (or prerequisite) should STAY and will STAY that way forever. Why? because it's a safeguard by our Founding Fathers to protect the very core of America. No matter what! Sorry Arnold Schwarzenegger. Sorry me as well (I was born in Korea but lived in USA since 3 years old and I consider USA as my home that I will die to protect).

Our Founding Fathers have learned the history (both ancient to their time) and they have seen many civilizations downfalls. That's why they built in several safeguards like Check-and-Balance, Born in USA, etc. Like what Reba said - they were very wise and their wisdom STILL hold true to this date.

'NUFF SAID.

 

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Banjo,

I can't remember if it was discussed in this thread or not (I've lost track), but you mentioned the Red Scare. The first Red Scare took place between the mid 1900s and 1920 while the second occurred in the 1940s through the late 1950s. What does Obama have to do with Communism? Communism ended in 1989 with the fall of the Berlin Wall. :scratch:

 

[Banjo]

BACK TO TOPIC - "Born in USA" as requirement (or prerequisite) should STAY and will STAY that way forever. Why? because it's a safeguard by our Founding Fathers to protect the very core of America. No matter what! Sorry Arnold Schwarzenegger. Sorry me as well (I was born in Korea but lived in USA since 3 years old and I consider USA as my home that I will die to protect).

Our Founding Fathers have learned the history (both ancient to their time) and they have seen many civilizations downfalls. That's why they built in several safeguards like Check-and-Balance, Born in USA, etc. Like what Reba said - they were very wise and their wisdom STILL hold true to this date.

'NUFF SAID.

I agree, anybody who wishes to become a president/prime minister/chancellor, etc should be a native citizen of the nation they reside in. No exceptions.

 

[Banjo]

Banjo,

I can't remember if it was discussed in this thread or not (I've lost track), but you mentioned the Red Scare. The first Red Scare took place between the mid 1900s and 1920 while the second occurred in the 1940s through the late 1950s. What does Obama have to do with Communism? Communism ended in 1989 with the fall of the Berlin Wall. :scratch:

Communism is still alive in some countries. For example, Cuba, China, Korea, Lao, Vietnam and more. Although we hear about China and Cuba the most when it comes to communism these days.

Anyway, I do recall the Red Scare from the early 20th century and that it re-occurred during the mid 20th century. As a result of the Red Scare, people formed a mentality that anything associated with communism/socialism is a bad thing.

That's why some people are so quick to accuse some politicians of imposing socialism/communism upon the Americans. They just don't know any better.

 

[Jiro]

United Kingdom is definitely headed in the wrong direction as far I am concerned. They have been changing quite a lot of laws in a radical sense and it's not for the better.

Cameras are pretty much everywhere in Canada and USA and not many are aware of where they are. It's because everybody is used to it so they don't even notice most of them. Even the ATM machines have cameras built in. In fact, at some casinos, they have cameras on the top of the slots to see who is playing.

that's different... Banks/ATM and Casinos are private property. it's a security camera for their private property. I'm talking about Public Place monitored by government. There are EXTENSIVE amount of security cameras in public place controlled by government in UK, France, etc. the.... BIG BROTHER!

Some states already has restrictive laws on guns despite the 2nd amendment.

which is exactly why it got shot down by Supreme Court few months ago. HOORAH! HIP HIP HOORAH! DC Gun Ban is OUT.

That's the thing, even with the amendments in place, the states still find a way to get around them. Or sometimes they just blatantly violate the amendment and enforce the law anyway.

That's why I said people cannot be guaranteed the rights as provided by the constitution if the people they elect to the office are trying to change it or just not upholding it. People have to actually uphold the constitution and secure everybody's rights. People died fighting for the very rights that are being taken for granted by many people today.

It's sad. Although you are a true American and you believe in the constitution. That's good to see.

Yes that is true. That's why EVENTUALLY Supreme Court will rule it as unconstitutional. it's just matter of time till it gets repealed. God bless America for giving us a fighting chance to repeal it.... something that you don't get in Europe - not as easy as this in America. The Founding Fathers KNEW this.... which is why they gave us a fighting chance to remove such blatant law.

 

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[Banjo]

that's different... Banks/ATM and Casinos are private property. it's a security camera for their private property. I'm talking about Public Place monitored by government. There are EXTENSIVE amount of security cameras in public place controlled by government in UK, France, etc. the.... BIG BROTHER!

which is exactly why it got shot down by Supreme Court few months ago. HOORAH! HIP HIP HOORAH! DC Gun Ban is OUT.

Yes that is true. That's why EVENTUALLY Supreme Court will rule it as unconstitutional. it's just matter of time till it gets repealed. God bless America for giving us a fighting chance to repeal it.... something that you don't get in Europe - not as easy as this in America. The Founding Fathers KNEW this.... which is why they gave us a fighting chance to remove such blatant law.

There you go.

 

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Communism is still alive in some countries. For example, Cuba, China, Korea, Lao, Vietnam and more. Although we hear about China and Cuba the most when it comes to communism these days.

Anyway, I do recall the Red Scare from the early 20th century and that it re-occurred during the mid 20th century. As a result of the Red Scare, people formed a mentality that anything associated with communism/socialism is a bad thing.

That's why some people are so quick to accuse some politicians of imposing socialism/communism upon the Americans. They just don't know any better.

OIC. Thanks for the explanation, Banjo!

 

[Maria]

Very true, that´s what my hubby said the same thing and also.... Jewish fiddle with money.

 

[Maria]

Two Kudos for Reba!!! Two Kudos for Liebling!!!
Reba is right on many things. Liebling is right on many things.

Both made great points, however with my understanding of History and the Government, I am leaning over Liebling's side.

Yeah, but I opposed about ONE thing what she did said about Jewish.

 

[Jiro]

Yeah, but I opposed about ONE thing what she did said about Jewish.

me too. that was..... a worst stereotypical thing to say...

 

[Macian]

personally I think it should just be genuine americans who can stand for president, oh yes,american indians only, the rest are immigrants lol give them back the country ye stole

 

[Jiro]

personally I think it should just be genuine americans who can stand for president, oh yes,american indians only, the rest are immigrants lol give them back the country ye stole

I actually had a chuckle out of that.

 

[Macian]

I actually had a chuckle out of that.

me too mate as our country had such a large part in the theft, it just makes me chuckle now, hearing how the US has become so emm whats a better word for racism, i dont mean as strong as that but ye get my drift, 99.9% of you are immigrants, in such a young country which wasn't yours. and all the intelligent arguement against, is" I wiz born here" so wasn't say, obama?, or the ones some still classed as their parents origin?
dont get me wrong, im not judging, it's still rife here too, but it's nothing more than racism, no matter how ye try to hide it

 

[Reba]

...Yes, Unfortunately.. according to the history. Hitler did a fantastic job "in that time" JUST RIGHT BEFORE things turned bitter and ugly. Nobody saw it coming. That's the different story. I can assure that everybody LEARNED the mistakes and their own history.

I'm afraid not.

If "nobody saw it coming" with Hitler, what makes you think people will "see it coming" with Obama? I tried to point it out here, and still "no one sees it coming." Some people are in such denial that they won't see the freight train "coming" until it hits them.

Hitler didn't change overnight. All the signs and warnings were there. People just ignored them until it was too late.

... IF Obama crosses the line, I guaratnee you all that Obama can face his impreachment, period...

I wish you were right. However, we've seen that impeachment of a President is not easy.

...I don't see any association between Obama and Hitler. Obama loves Humanity. He has been involved with civil rights. Hitler didn't.

You might want to do deeper research on Hitler.

He was a skilled orator, loved children and animals, was a tea-totaler and vegetarian. Sounds peaceful and good, huh?

It proves how deceptive some people can be.

Technology changes and Social Movement changes. 1940's and 2008 are WHOLLY different. It is NO WAY we could compare Obama with Hitler.

Pre-WWII Germany faced deep economic and employment problems. The Germans were seeking a leader who could give them hope and change. Hitler's speeches brought out huge adoring crowds.

Still doesn't ring a bell?

 

[Reba]

Why do Republicans keep calling Obama a socialist when he's anything but? *sigh*

Because his goal of "redistributing the wealth" is a socialistic goal.

 

[Reba]

Hmmm, eugenics with Obama as you tried to relate Obama with Hilter?

I assume that eugenics fit in the description, it should go with McCain/Palian because of fanatic christian beliefs that can lead the new generation of Religious persecution because we don't share the same religion in the United States.

Christianity has nothing to do with eugenics. We're opposed to eugenics.

 

[Macian]

Because his goal of "redistributing the wealth" is a socialistic goal.

might i ask whats wrong with sharing wealth reba> rather than hoarding it? i find it very strange people's misconceptiosn of socialism, proably because of propaganda from our governments for years. can you explaili why you don't agree or like socialism, without quoting comminism which has been implanted in us?
from a political or economic view please, I'd be interested to hear "your" opinion, and how you got it, and not a repeat of someone else's. the same to anyone else who is reading this. I always seem to miss the reasoning and only get the opinions

 

[Jiro]

might i ask whats wrong with sharing wealth reba> rather than hoarding it? i find it very strange people's misconceptiosn of socialism, proably because of propaganda from our governments for years. can you explaili why you don't agree or like socialism, without quoting comminism which has been implanted in us?
from a political or economic view please, I'd be interested to hear "your" opinion, and how you got it, and not a repeat of someone else's. the same to anyone else who is reading this. I always seem to miss the reasoning and only get the opinions

because the purpose of America is to be free from socialism/communism/monarchy/etc. To have your own wealth reaped in from your own hard work, not to share my money for others. That was one of Founding Fathers' goals. Remember Boston Tea Party? If you see nothing wrong with socialism - then move to Europe.