Born in the USA?

[Endy]

Endy, had the Third Reich continued what they were doing with genocide, there is a chance that USA would end up following similar laws set in place by the Third Reich. In fact, some of what the USA did inspired the Third Reich in some way. For instance, sterilization of people who were deemed unfit to be parents. They did it to deaf, blind, mentally challenged, African-Americans and more in the USA. In fact, one of the biggest advocates was Alexander Graham Bell.

Genocide will not happen in the United States. This is becoming more multi-national country soon. US Constitution stays because the founding fathers wanted it to be way for many generations. It's the American History and it imprint in every US-born citizens. They can guarantee that it will not happen.

Obama will not turn into somewhat similar to Third Reich. McCain could turn into some fanatic christian government that would allows them to stone everyone who sinned. (That's my impression, mind ya!) Palin's religion scares me shit! It'd turn into freaking show if country changes their colors, and we will be all religious persecuted based on our sins. We will be stoned because they say that Bible says so! It'd be big interesting if anyone with different religion in the US, they'd stoned for being non-Christian. That's what I perceived McCain/Palin. Now, Obama??? How can you relate Obama with Hilter? Obama fought civil rights, he stood up for protection rights. He got involved with Senate Committees. He was born in US and he is strong christian and loving person.

We are evolving into new age. We are evolving into Social Movement and Technology. Education helps us so much. We have disability rights and protection in the US. We have civil rights and protections for minorities including Blacks. We have rights and protections for both Christians and non-Christians. Obama is totally into civil rights. Obama believes in Equality. He has his mind set in the course in a good example of Martin L. King, "I have a dream." "I have a Dream" has a great example how he wants the World Peace. Especially Peace in his country.

By the way, He will not going to brand anyone with armbands.

For God's sake, WHY is everybody comparing Obama with negativity? Please COMPARE McCain with someone else. Funny thing is that Americans in 1980's calling Ronald Reagan as the Anti-Christ because of his great skills. Regan led World Peace by ending the the Cold War. Unbelievable!! Americans in 1950's, John F Kennedy was called as the Anti-Christ because of his religion, someone shot him because he did not share the same belief with Americans. Remember the late 1960s, how many people treating American communists in the past, based on false education.

Everybody learned their mistakes, they will not allow it happening again.

Now, tell me what this comparison has to do with Obama. I dare you to compare McCain with someone else.

 

[Banjo]

Genocide will not happen in the United States. This is becoming more multi-national country soon. US Constitution stays because the founding fathers wanted it to be way for many generations. It's the American History and it imprint in every US-born citizens. They can guarantee that it will not happen.

Are you aware that the USA did practice eugenics?

Besides, I'm not comparing Obama to anyone.

 

[Endy]

It has a lot to do with the Red Scare back in the 50s and 60s.

Now you mentioned Red Scare?
Here is the link: Red Scare - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What this has to do with Obama since you guys are totally into comparison with Obama. You guys are trying to connecting the dots with lines to create new association with Obama.

 

[Banjo]

Now you mentioned Red Scare?
Here is the link: Red Scare - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What this has to do with Obama since you guys are totally into comparison with Obama. You guys are trying to connecting the dots with lines to create new association with Obama.

Endy, take that tinfoil hat of yours off. I was not comparing anyone. Somebody asked why everybody kept calling Obama a socialist. I pointed out that the mentality of communism and socialism among Americans is strongly linked to the Red Scare.

Stop twisting my words around.

 

[Endy]

Are you aware that the USA did practice eugenics?

Besides, I'm not comparing Obama to anyone.

Hmmm, eugenics with Obama as you tried to relate Obama with Hilter?

I assume that eugenics fit in the description, it should go with McCain/Palian because of fanatic christian beliefs that can lead the new generation of Religious persecution because we don't share the same religion in the United States.

 

[Endy]

Stop twisting my words around.

EXACT. You were twisting my words around!

 

[Endy]

Are you aware that the USA did practice eugenics?

Speaking of now... Obama and McCain hasn't started. Eugenics in my country under Carter, Regan, Bush, Clinton and Bush...

Here in this country, when??

Yes, eugenices happened outside my country because they killed our people and threatened our people with possibility. Presidents of the US have rights to protect their people.

 

[Banjo]

EXACT. You were twisting my words around!

Whatever you say.

I did not compare Obama to Hilter. I was in fact referring to Liebling's comment where Hitler was once perceived as a great leader. Nothing more to it.

I should stress that Obama is not Hitler, Hitler is not Obama. They are two different individuals.

People are just reading into too much. Paranoia does too much damage to their ability to judge with without prejudices.

The reason why I brought up eugenics was a response to your claim that genocide will never happen in the USA. They are two different concepts, but they are both terrible crimes to humanity.

Eugenics DID happen in the USA. People were sterilized against their will. This is the very concept that inspired the Third Reich to start sterilizing people in Germany. Eugenics was wiped out in the USA by the 1970s. Sure, this is bringing in Godwin's law, but I'm just stating the facts whether people like it or not.

People should keep on fighting for the country they love. They shouldn't sit in their hands thinking that nothing bad will ever happen to their country. The constitution is only a guarantee to protect your country as long people are willing to preserve it. That is something a lot of people fail to understand. There is no such as a guarantee when it comes to the constitution.

It's not a fail-safe concept. Especially when there has been many amendments made to the constitution over the years. So who's to say that it will never happen?

Hmm.

 

[Jiro]

I worship you...

I voted Gore and Kerry in the past. I don't know why did people vote Bush! WHY? WHY? WHY? Now, 8 years with Bush. WHY? Why.. why? they were so fooooool to vote Bush for the second term.

What did we done for? We have to accept the consequences for putting Bush in the White House. 27% rating for the overall job as a president. He broke new record in the presidency history.

Technically - Al Gore won but Al Gore did not challenge it in Supreme Court. Sucks for him...

 

[Banjo]

Speaking of now... Obama and McCain hasn't started. Eugenics in my country under Carter, Regan, Bush, Clinton and Bush...

Here in this country, when??

Yes, eugenices happened outside my country because they killed our people and threatened our people with possibility. Presidents of the US have rights to protect their people.

Yes, eugenics did happen in your country. It was pretty common in the first half of the 20th century. They even sterilized African Americans into the 1970s. Despite the fact that Lincoln said that all men were created equal. Politicians failed to deliver on many occasions when it was called for. Just because somebody said it doesn't mean they will act on it.

African-Americans were even denied the opportunity to vote in some states until the 1960s. Americans with disabilities were discriminated many times because of their disabilities until the 1990s when George H. W. Bush signed the ADA into law.

(shrugs)

Just the facts.

 

[Jiro]

Oh yes, German use good common sense when they voted him... Don´t you know that he was a good leader to his people and Germany at the time? He created thousands of jobs for his people. It´s him who got Germany out of the depression. He done great job with crisis and did something to solve the problem....

Hilter was best men of the history but his bad side is racist and started to attack other countries to make WWII.

not one American citizen will ever welcome you in this country with what you just said about Hitler.

 

[Hear Again]

Hitler killed over 6 million Jews in the Holocaust.

 

[Banjo]

not one American citizen will ever welcome you in this country with what you just said about Hitler.

That's because they aren't familiar with the history of Germany. Adolf Hitler was an awful man who extended his power to kill millions of people just to show that he can do it.

Terrible man.

But before all that happened, people didn't think of him as a monster. Even Charlie Chaplin was once a big fan of Adolf Hitler until he discovered what he was doing to millions of people across Europe. He even made a movie to mock Adolf Hitler and then deliver a powerful message about unity and accepting people from all walks of life, it's a movie called "The Great Dictator."

 

[Jiro]

Why can´t I allow to express my POV why I agree to disagree with US polities?

Why can´t I say something back because someone quoted my post to mention Hitler issues ?

It mean that I have to leave AllDeaf because I am not American in your eyes?

most of your POV toward American way of life is anti-American. What I mean about "anti-American" ? I don't mean you hate American. You are simply against the very way of American. Even though America and Europe are like brothers, they both have a completely different approach on how it should work. Europe is a VERY liberal nations with socialist approach and it's largely police nation. Our country is opposite of that.

In this country, we have freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of rights, freedom of etc. Your country did not.

 

[Jiro]

That's because they aren't familiar with the history of Germany. Adolf Hitler was an awful man who extended his power to kill millions of people just to show that he can do it.

Terrible man.

But before all that happened, people didn't think of him as a monster. Even Charlie Chaplin was once a big fan of Adolf Hitler until he discovered what he was doing to millions of people across Europe. He even made a movie to mock Adolf Hitler and then deliver a powerful message about unity and accepting people from all walks of life, it's a movie called "The Great Dictator."

yes I'm aware of that but in this country - he will not be remembered as "he was a good leader before holocaust happened...." Our ancestors died to free Europe from Hitler. No way they will ever respect or acknowledge or remember Hitler as "he was a good leader before....."

 

[Banjo]

Europe is a VERY liberal nations with socialist approach and it's largely police nation. Our country is opposite of that.

More and more countries around the world are starting to head for a totalitarian state because of the technology available to the government. Cities can set up cameras everywhere in the public eye. People can trace a computer disk to the very computer it was used in. Homeland Security can tap your phone line without a warrant because of the Patriot Act. Heck, the SSN wasn't even supposed to be used for anything but social security back then. They actually promised that when they first brought out the SSN cards. But now they require you to provide your SSN as a form of identification at a lot of places which is completely unnecessary.

It's a changing world we're living in, but is it for the better or worse?

That's the question a lot of people are asking.

 

[Banjo]

yes I'm aware of that but in this country - he will not be remembered as "he was a good leader before holocaust happened...." Our ancestors died to free Europe from Hitler. No way they will ever respect or acknowledge or remember Hitler as "he was a good leader before....."

Of course, he is no longer remembered as a good leader. He was a monster. There's no doubt in that. Like the concept, then and now. Then, you can see that people thought quite highly of Hitler before the genocide began and now, people think quite lowly of him because of his crimes to humanity.

Hitler is in hell for eternity.

 

[Sunshinelady]

You consider an elected official to be someone who does'nt portray. What a fool. You're a fool who would vote as if a Hitler came along.



Religion is verboten. Get a clue, darling. YOU, by MY definition, would be a terrorist toward AllDeaf (and the rest of us).

i am disappoint about you. Why you brought up subject about "hitler"?? what is your POINT!?
NOTHING do within with Obama and Hitler. I am interesting the topic about "born in the USA" But you spoke about Hitler. it like ODD!!!!! please!!!

 

[Jiro]

More and more countries around the world are starting to head for a totalitarian state because of the technology available to the government. Cities can set up cameras everywhere in the public eye. People can trace a computer disk to the very computer it was used in. Homeland Security can tap your phone line without a warrant because of the Patriot Act. Heck, the SSN wasn't even supposed to be used for anything but social security back then. They actually promised that when they first brought out the SSN cards. But now they require you to provide your SSN as a form of identification at a lot of places which is completely unnecessary.

It's a changing world we're living in, but is it for the better or worse?

That's the question a lot of people are asking.

and I'm extremely glad that America did not follow that path except cities (they have cameras everywhere but it's for traffic purpose.. but not as extensive as UK). I cannot live in UK like that. It's ultimately a Police Nation - cameras everywhere, no guns, restrictive laws.

NO THANK YOU. UK'S POV toward American way of life IS NOT WELCOME!

 

[Sunshinelady]

I wish the American symbol of choice was the turkey . . . a bird unique to the area. NO! We had to go with the most typical of Western Civilization symbol: an eagle. *sigh*

What!?! you wish American symbol turkey *cough*