Best way to develop oral skills?

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Daredevel7 said:
I didn't say that you did. It's a question. Where is the answer?
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Well, if you can't discern the answer from what I have written.....just saying.
 
Babyblue said:
Daredevil. You grew up orally right??

If so. Now that you are grown. Have you experience any type of "mockery" even if you can speak and somewhat understand what others are saying?

I know, I have.
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Could you clarify on "mockery"? Do you mean people mocking me or...?
 
jillio said:
Uses her voice and signs as well, no doubt, as it is a Bi-Bi classroom, and in order to make all communication available to all students, sign is required. Listen time...is that the volunteer time you do with the CI kids in her class? One cannot do spoken English and ASL simultaneously. And the things you discribe are hardly AVT. More of a TC approach.
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Actually, listening time is intergrated into the classroom everyday, not just the times with me. They also have Oracy everyday. And no, she doesn't always sign. For example, when she is working on rhymes, she voices. The kids who hear, hear, those who don't, lipread.
 
faire_jour said:
How on earth does what my daughter and her speech therapist do in their 30 minutes twice a week affect other Deaf kids?
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Perhaps you should go back and read some of your posts in the thread that dealt with that topic. And some of the parent comments on your blog regarding their feelings of the use of AVT or Sim-com in the classroom with their children.
 
faire_jour said:
Actually, listening time is intergrated into the classroom everyday, not just the times with me. They also have Oracy everyday. And no, she doesn't always sign. For example, when she is working on rhymes, she voices. The kids who hear, hear, those who don't, lipread.
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I thought you claimed that Bi-Bi did not consider oracy, and that was your big complaint now that your daughter has been implanted. No focus on oracy. Shel and I have always claimed that oracy is a feature of the Bi-Bi environment.
 
jillio said:
Perhaps you should go back and read some of your posts in the thread that dealt with that topic. And some of the parent comments on your blog regarding their feelings of the use of AVT or Sim-com in the classroom with their children.
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Actually, that parent and I are very good friends. She was concerned that it would be in the classroom, and when I explained that it isn't, she was fine.
 
faire_jour said:
Actually, that parent and I are very good friends. She was concerned that it would be in the classroom, and when I explained that it isn't, she was fine.
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Your original demand was that it be in the classroom.
 
jillio said:
I thought you claimed that Bi-Bi did not consider oracy, and that was your big complaint now that your daughter has been implanted. No focus on oracy. Shel and I have always claimed that oracy is a feature of the Bi-Bi environment.
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I said that some bi-bi schools don't. And still, I think that my daughter's school doesn't value it. I believe that the teacher that my daughter has this year does, but that the administration and many other teachers don't.
 
Okay, I guess I am not going to get a concrete answer from Jillio pertaining to whether she's for oral skills or not.

Let's say that I ask someone who is 100% in favor for ASL all the way if he is also in favor of developing oral skills in kids. If he says yes and you ask why, ANY answer he gives is basically a direct insult/attack or even a depressing thought to the deaf people who do not speak well. Think about it. How can you be in favor of oral skills without insulting many deaf people?

I suspect that's why no one talks about being in favor...
 
Daredevel7 said:
Could you clarify on "mockery"? Do you mean people mocking me or...?
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Mocking you as you know the word.. Or expecting you to hear like a hearing person.

How many times, have you asked a person to repeat themselves. How many times, have you simply laughed and did the typical nod. When you had no clue, to prevent a group of people to stop a conversation. When they expected you to know what is going on. Honestly.

Again, I am not against teaching Deaf children to speak. I grew up orally!!
 
Daredevel7 said:
Okay, I guess I am not going to get a concrete answer from Jillio pertaining to whether she's for oral skills or not.

Let's say that I ask someone who is 100% in favor for ASL all the way if he is also in favor of developing oral skills in kids. If he says yes and you ask why, ANY answer he gives is basically a direct insult/attack or even a depressing thought to the deaf people who do not speak well. Think about it. How can you be in favor of oral skills without insulting many deaf people?

I suspect that's why no one talks about being in favor...
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*raises hand* I am in favor of both!
 
Daredevel7 said:
Okay, I guess I am not going to get a concrete answer from Jillio pertaining to whether she's for oral skills or not.

Let's say that I ask someone who is 100% in favor for ASL all the way if he is also in favor of developing oral skills in kids. If he says yes and you ask why, ANY answer he gives is basically a direct insult/attack or even a depressing thought to the deaf people who do not speak well. Think about it. How can you be in favor of oral skills without insulting many deaf people?

I suspect that's why no one talks about being in favor...
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As long as ASL is in favor. Teaching a deaf child oral skills, and speech is not the bad thing.


Teaching a deaf child to be "hearing" is what again irks me.
 
Babyblue said:
As long as ASL is in favor. Teaching a deaf child oral skills, and speech is not the bad thing.


Teaching a child to be "hearing" is what again irks me.
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What does that mean?? It sounds like the opposite of "Don't do that or your child will 'act deaf'" What does that mean?
 
Daredevel7 said:
Okay, I guess I am not going to get a concrete answer from Jillio pertaining to whether she's for oral skills or not.

Let's say that I ask someone who is 100% in favor for ASL all the way if he is also in favor of developing oral skills in kids. If he says yes and you ask why, ANY answer he gives is basically a direct insult/attack or even a depressing thought to the deaf people who do not speak well. Think about it. How can you be in favor of oral skills without insulting many deaf people?

I suspect that's why no one talks about being in favor...
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Your question, Daredevel:

Are you saying to forget about developing oral skills, then?

My response:

No, dear, that is not what I am saying, nor will you be able to find where I have ever said that.


Looks pretty definitive to me.
 
jillio said:
Your question, Daredevel:

Are you saying to forget about developing oral skills, then?

My response:

No, dear, that is not what I am saying, nor will you be able to find where I have ever said that.


Looks pretty definitive to me.
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Can you knock off the condescending, patronizing "dear" stuff?
 
faire_jour said:
What does that mean?? It sounds like the opposite of "Don't do that or your child will 'act deaf'" What does that mean?
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re read my edited post.. :wave:

Before you jump in!!

I understand you want the best for Miss Kat. but Like I have mentioned before. You claim that you will not allow or put her in a situation. but she grows up. What are you expecting from her? To be able to hear and speak like a normal hearing person?

I am by far attacking you. But I am merely curious. What are your expectations of her?
 
Babyblue said:
Mocking you as you know the word.. Or expecting you to hear like a hearing person.

How many times, have you asked a person to repeat themselves. How many times, have you simply laughed and did the typical nod. When you had no clue, to prevent a group of people to stop a conversation. When they expected you to know what is going on. Honestly.

Again, I am not against teaching Deaf children to speak. I grew up orally!!
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Oh, all of the above!!! Many times.

Who said that growing up oral is easy? I never denied that I didn't go through what many oral kids do. Like I said, I am not promoting oralism. It definitely isn't for the many or perhaps even all. However, I also am wary of the repercussions of surrounding yourself in ASL most of the time in school. ASL is a wonderful language for the deaf, but it seems to me that once school's over, some of them get frustrated and it's too late to do anything since they are adults now.
 
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